to rather intensely dislike Harriet Harman?

[grovel]

Naggy and bossy at the same time. And so tribal.

Why do you suppose public sector jobs are a "women's issue"? Could it be because the amount of legislation the likes of Harman have implemented makes it completely univiable for any small business to employ women of child-bearing age?

She's an MP. Half of her constituency are men, shouldn't she be working for them as well?

Because improving the situation for women or speaking out on violence against women is in some way damaging to men?

Fuckwit.

ManicMiner Wed 20-Jul-11 17:50:17
How has she improved things for the average women?

The average woman?

Well, one in four women will experience DV in their lifetime. One in four women will experience rape or attempted rape in their lifetime.

That's pretty large numbers of women she's working to improve things for.

No, but her job is to represent the people of her constituency. So why is she spending her work hours fighting ideological battles on behalf of "women everywhere"? If she wants to become a feminist activist she should resign and let someone else be MP for Camberwell and Peckham.

The list has now expanded to include:

Naggy
Bossy
Tribal
Horrible
Whining
Odious
Self-serving (x2)
Dreadful
Hypocritical
Cow
Highly irritating
Gobshite
Man-basher
Moron
Idiot

Misogyny really is alive and well, isn't it?

YANBU, the fact she got to such a senior position in the Government is one of the reasons the country has gone to the dogs

"Well, one in four women will experience DV in their lifetime. One in four women will experience rape or attempted rape in their lifetime.

That's pretty large numbers of women she's working to improve things for."
How is she going to improve things for them?

Sorry but I think the woman is an idiot, and typical of the kind of people that have ruined the Labour party in the last 20 years. Identity politics should become a thing of the past if Labour ever want to become relevant again.

Daisy, you missed "fragrant".

How many male MPs are there that spend their time speaking out about male-only issues?

ManicMiner Wed 20-Jul-11 17:58:57
How is she going to improve things for them?

By pushing to review and improve the current legislation so that women are better represented and protected.

But what about women's wider needs such as jobs and housing? Doesn't she care about them?

What about issues that disproportinately affect men, such as homelessness and unemployment? Is she going to address these issues? How about asking why the public sector is so female-orientated? It's no wonder that women suffer from PS cuts so much when you see how many PS institutions are staffed almost entirely by women.

Look, as it stands, if you are one of the one in four women who experiences DV or rape, then you are highly unlikely to get any kind of legal protection or justice for what has happened to you

I just cannot comprehend how you cannot accept that this is an issue worth fighting.

And Harman is the person doing it. Certainly not Cameron, with his 'let's make all accused rapists anonymous' nonsense.

Would you find it acceptable for a male MP to spend so much of their time dealing with issues that affected only their male constituents?

Maybe we should have seperate MPs for men and women?

Or maybe MPs should just leave the feminism to students, and get on with their jobs, and getting the best deal for everyone in their constituency, regardless of their gender.

Can i say i'm rather fond of Harriet, but have developed a massive crush on Louise Mensch .

Why should men suspected of a crime be named and shamed? What if they are innocent?

Should women accused of falsely claiming rape be identified in the same way?

Louise Mensch read Anglo-Saxon and Norse at university (Oxford). She was more than a bit naughty with her Piers Morgan fabrication yesterday.

I don't give a shite if she is male or female. She is an utter self-serving cunt. End of.

ManicMiner Wed 20-Jul-11 18:05:10
But what about women's wider needs such as jobs and housing? Doesn't she care about them?I

t's not an either/or issue.

Either you think that what Harman has been pushing for re rape and DV is a good thing or you don't.

You'd rather that she concentrated on something else - yep, got that - but if she does, then who is going to fight for the one-in-four-women?

No-one.

'her job is to represent the people of her constituency. So why is she spending her work hours fighting ideological battles on behalf of "women everywhere'

'Ideological issues.' Since when has rape or domestic violence been an ideological issue?

Hate to break it to you but some of those people are [whispers] women. Thanks to feminism we have the vote. All those women who fought against the idea that women didn't have the mental capacity or temperament to handle the responsibility. And of the women in her constituency, stats show that thousands will have been direct victims of domestic violence and rape. And men are fathers, brothers and sons whose partner's maternity pay will help pay the bills for or whose daughters, sisters and mothers will benefit from the increased protection from domestic violence.

I'm sure she also manages to hold surgeries and help constituents with local issues.

To update Daisy's list:
Naggy
Bossy
Tribal
Horrible
Whining
Odious
Self-serving (x2)
Dreadful
Hypocritical
Cow
Highly irritating
Gobshite
Man-basher
Moron
Idiot
Cunt

HH is a narrow minded zealot who doesn't represent married women and certainly doesn't represent men - she's hated by an awful lot of people - if she really was this caring, compassionate women, that wouldn't be the case. People aren't stupid, they can work her out easily.

Yes - LM is fantastic - a modern day politician representing all people.

ManicMiner Wed 20-Jul-11 18:07:28
"Would you find it acceptable for a male MP to spend so much of their time dealing with issues that affected only their male constituents?"

Not really. It's a shame that that is basically what happens. Most MPs focus on men disproportionately by default - same as the rest of the world.

And rape and DV do affect male constituents. You are not unaffected if your daughter or partner or sister is attacked. And you want support and justice for them.

Aren't there organisations that fight for women's rights?

I just think it is out of an MP's juristiction to be dealing with a national issue that affects only women.

There's a Minister for Women and Equalities, Theresa May. Surely this falls under her remit?

I know if I went to work and spent a lot of my time dealing with something that had nothing to do with my role, I'd get the sack fairly quickly.

It is lucky that Harman was parachuted into a Labour created seat where people would vote for a pig with a red rossette on it, otherwise I'm sure she'd be given short shrift by her male constituents.

Her constituency is one of the poorest in the UK, so it's not like there aren't plenty of other things she could be doing, such as trying to encourage wealth creation there, instead of allowing people to remain on benefits for years.

Let's be fair here. Harriet nominated Diane Abbott for the Labour leadership race.