to rather intensely dislike Harriet Harman?

[grovel]

Naggy and bossy at the same time. And so tribal.

malcontent:These days it is the parents of sons who tell them to carry a False Accusation Alarm when they go out, I believe, and sit up at night in fear that some little trollop will take it into her head to say he raped her.

"some little trollop" really? why do you hate women so much?

no man hating going on this thread but there is so much misogyny it's untrue. how can you not see that?

TartyDoris Important historically and culturally.

The largest and most rigorous study was commissioned by the British Home Office and based on 2,643 sexual assault cases (Kelly, Lovett, and Regan, 2005). Of these, 8% were classified by the police department as false reports. Yet the researchers noted that some of these classifications were based simply on the personal judgments of the police investigators and were made in violation of official criteria for establishing a false allegation. Closer analysis of this category applying the Home Office counting rules for establishing a false allegation and excluding cases where the application of the cases where confirmation of the designation was uncertain reduced the percentage of false reports to 3%. The researchers concluded that "one cannot take all police designations at face value" and that "[t]here is an over-estimation of the scale of false allegations by both police officers and prosecutors." Moreover, they added:

The interviews with police officers and complainants? responses show that despite the focus on victim care, a culture of suspicion remains within the police, even amongst some of those who are specialists in rape investigations. There is also a tendency to conflate false allegations with retractions and withdrawals, as if in all such cases no sexual assault occurred. This reproduces an investigative culture in which elements that might permit a designation of a false complaint are emphasised (later sections reveal how this also feeds into withdrawals and designation of ?insufficient evidence?), at the expense of a careful investigation, in which the evidence collected is evaluated

This started with the question of why Harriet Harman is so much disliked. It's now reached protecting men against the sisterhood of evil feminists. I wonder why that is? I believe I mentioned that people are threatened by feminists. Sexist men don't like us for obvious reasons, some women don't like to be told that we'll get shat on no matter what we do. You only need to see the figures on rape, domestic violence, comparative leisure time, (un)equal pay, etc etc. A lot of women are under the impression that they are, in fact, equal citizens and are free to do as they wish, irrelevent of any attempts to control them. They believe there is something they can do that will stop them being raped, for example. That there is nothing to stop them having children, a career and becoming an MP. They are disturbed by the bloody feminists banging on with all the statistics, the research, the inescapable evidence. It's not good news, and the worse news is that if you try to change it, you too will be treated like HH is. Law of the playground. Nobody defends the bully's victims in case they get bullied too. Keep your heads down sisters; don't worry if it goes wrong; you can go to Rape Crisis or Women's Aid. Which were set up by feminists.

The point of teaching DS about consent is very important to me, Milly, for more than one reason...

Firstly, I don't want him in a situation where he believes he's "entitled" to sex with a woman just because she's been flirting with him, or he's married to her. Or any other scenario. I don't want him raping anyone.
Secondly, I want him to know if he came to me and said he'd been raped, he'd be believed. Immediately. None of this "well, I wasn't there, so I don't know.
Thirdly, people often forget coercion into sex is rape. That's how DS was conceived. I don't want him threatening his partner with homelessness, violence, destruction of his or her property to get consent, or to be coerced into sex himself. That's still rape. And it only sunk in with me a few weeks ago.

(A bit belated, but thank you to the members of feminism/women's rights for helping me to realise that, and helping me start to come to terms with it a little. It's appreciated)

Home Office study based on 2,643 sexual assault cases (Kelly, Lovett, and Regan, 2005), 8% were classified by the police department as false reports.

....so unless the Home Office is a secret feminist orgnaisation (if only...)

for more details en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_accusation_of_rape

oh and the FBI and the Austrialian police....and/or wiki...

*Tilly, not Milly... D'oh...

oh stop with the boring inconvenient facts will you?

can't we just spout mainstream misogynistic stereotypes and myths instead?

can't we talk about the 'little trollops' who are going to accuse our little boys of raping them just cos well, women are nasty like that aren't they?

and research councils that funded the research, the scientists that undertook the work, the pier reviewers who reviewed it and the journals the papers were published in....

Oh yes, nearly forgot - why do we believe TD used to be a feminist? Because she says so. Do we need 'evidence' to corroborate that? No, because there might not be any. It's just her word against all the stuff on this thread. Butwe still believe her, because we trust her recollection of her experience.

DCMP - i completely agree with you...

Tut... You see these little hussies, short skirts... Accuse our sons of rape... Really... You go out dressed like that, you obviously want it...

um, socalled, my post was meant to be sarcasm directed at the poster who claimed that in the old days parents were worried about their daughters, now they worry about their sons, in relation to the false accusation stuff. I was trying to make the point that that's not really the case at all! If you read my other posts, I'm very much on the SCF side, rather than the Doris side.

thank god for that! so sorry malcontent - in a sea of REAL misogynist comments it's hard to spot the irony.

it's SAF btw but i'm getting rather attached to this name.

i'm curious what are 'real'feminists as opposed to us SCFs like? what are their goals and aims?

clearly they're not bothered about domestic violence or rape apologists and the shocking lack of conviction and light sentencing of sexual criminals. what are they bothered by?

Aha, I quite like SCF... But I do miss seeing SAF about ]

Ohhh, y'know, SCF... The usual. Burning their bras and being white and middle class. That's what I've heard, anyway...

So basically, even when the police misapply the official criteria and regard retractions as akin to false claims, the figure of false reporting is 8%. When the criteria is applied correctly it falls to 3%. Then consider the fact that the vast majority of those reported rapes will never make it to court. The oft quoted stat is that 6% of reported rapes result in a rape conviction, though over half of those that get to court do. So we could (very generously and in a shoddy maths way) say that less than 1 in every 8 reported rapes results in rape charges being brought. Not because the police regard them as false claims, but because the CPS don't think they'll be able to get a conviction.

have the real feminists joined families need fathers or antimisandry.com?