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to despair at my friend's lack of manners

195 replies

cremeeggsbenedict · 05/07/2011 20:21

I appreciate this is my second thread on manners in two days, but it is a bugbear of mine.

My friend has just had a baby, so we popped over this afternoon (we were invited) to meet the baby and shower her with gifts. We took over 2 bottles of cold champagne, cake, chocolates and a sling and hat as a baby present. We weren't offered a drink or something to eat in the hour we were there (in spite of providing drinks and food) and, as she unwrapped the present I gave her she said "I already have a sling" and then bloody gave it back to me! I was brought up to thank people for a gift even if it is horrid/unnecessary/a duplicate.

In addition to this my sister provided her with a big pile of baby clothes as she's done with having babies, which I dropped over a few weeks back, and she mentioned these today, saying that she threw some away and had to send some to her mum as the colour had run between stripes - is this not unspeakably rude when it comes to being given a gift? I don't expect gushing thanks, but to be told that the second hand baby clothes that were given to her to help her out (and she is in a position to need a little help) weren't in pristine condition, and to have binned some - when they weren't rags/stained/crap - is just horrid, no?

So AIBU to think she's an ungrateful wotsit?

OP posts:
pinkstarlight · 06/07/2011 10:33

its easy to jump the gun on here and form an oppinion,no doubt i worded it badly all i meant was not everyone will want to accept second hand clothes and if something is stained maybe they just wont want it.

gorionine · 06/07/2011 10:38

"Wow - you went to the home of a new mother and expected HER to play hostess for you? Have you not been a new mum yourself? Do you not recall how tiring it is? "

A couple of posts before , OP says that friend's dp was present and took the champagne off her hands on arrival. I do not think the guests (who according to OP were invited as opposed to just turnong out of the blue expecting to be fed and watrered) were expecting too much from the new parents. Maybe the new parents should have waited a bit longer before inviting people if they were so tired that they could not get a few glasses from the kitchen and pour the drinks brought in by the guests or get a knife to slice the cakes who also were brought in by the guests.

OP YANBU

fanjobanjowanjo · 06/07/2011 10:57

Pinkstarlight - "as for the baby clothes shes a new mum no mum wants to put their baby in someone elses soiled cast offs"

"its easy to jump the gun on here and form an oppinion,no doubt i worded it badly all i meant was not everyone will want to accept second hand clothes and if something is stained maybe they just wont want it."

Your exact wording in bold. I didn't jump the gun, you didn't explain your opinion properly.

What you've said now makes more sense though. As I understand from the OP, her friend did for secondhand things.

cremeeggsbenedict · 06/07/2011 10:59

pinkstarlight - the clothes weren't stained, they were just not brand new (as she knew as we had asked if she wanted them). On a couple of the tops a red stripe had bled slightly into the white stripe, but they were included as they were something we know she wanted - and there is no way to have prevented these things bleeding slightly. And as I said before, we asked if she wanted any, she asked for a specific age range, and we packed up the appropriate age (and season) for her - none of it was tat, none of it was stained.

OP posts:
SoupDragon · 06/07/2011 12:05

"I've had two babies and both times I was perfectly capable of thanking people for gifts and making them a cup of tea when they visited."

Good for you. Aren't you the lucky one? Personally, after DS1 I was stitched from here to enternity and moving from the sofa was a hideous chore. I wasn't a whole lot better after DS2 or DD either. Whilst I was perfectly polite, any guest who was in better shape than me could make their own fecking drinks. And my real, well mannered, friends did just that.

SoupDragon · 06/07/2011 12:09

"A couple of posts before , OP says that friend's dp was present and took the champagne off her hands on arrival. I do not think the guests (who according to OP were invited as opposed to just turnong out of the blue expecting to be fed and watrered) were expecting too much from the new parents."

Except the OP is specifically criticising her friend, not the "EXP"

Bogeyface · 06/07/2011 16:07

Well I was perfectly capable of making tea after a horrendous birth this time around! Knackered? Yes. Struggling to walk? Yes. Sore? Yes. Feeling like I had been through a threshing machine? Yes yes yes!

Totally incapable and lying around the place like a consumptive Austen-esque heroine? no!

Bogeyface · 06/07/2011 16:09

I meant to add, its a cup of tea ffs not a three course meal!

TotalChaos · 06/07/2011 16:12

again agree with Soupy. surely the exp (i.e person who had not recently given birth) should be criticised for the poor hostessing, not the new mum.

Bogeyface · 06/07/2011 16:16

That has been missed I think, that the ExP took the champers and stashed it, took the cake and chocolates and didnt offer them and didnt offer a drink. He certainly could and should have stepped up to the mark, hopefully he isnt that useless with the OPs friend when she wants a hand!

Snowdropbooks · 06/07/2011 16:22

The question is what is the harm and who has been harmed?

You feel harmed because no one made you feel special
You feel harmed because you were thirsty
You feel harmed because your gifts did not produce the feel good reaction you want for yourself
You feel harmed because you didn't like to think that the second hand clothes were not of a standard she liked
You feel harmed because someone didn't behave how you expected them to or according to your own rules

My advise is to let go of all of this harm and forgive yourself for self harming

valiumredhead · 06/07/2011 16:27

Oh GOOD post snow Grin

thumbwitch · 06/07/2011 16:31

YAgenerally NBU.
It wouldn't have killed her to say "sorry, I'm a bit knackered, if you want a drink, could you please get it yourself?"
The ExP could have made or poured a drink.

With the gift - she could have been a whole lot more gracious than she was about it, but tbh she probably just couldn't face dealing with exchanging/ selling on etc - so thought the easiest option was just to return it to you. At least she didn't give you a list of things she'd prefer in exchange!

Re. the baby clothes from your sister - now that was just rude, there was no need to tell you she'd binned stuff. Things she didn't want could have gone to a charity shop, she could have put them back in the bag they came in and given it back to you to dispose of - but not bin them.

You say she hasn't shown this side of herself before - so perhaps the birth experience really has traumatised her - but she has been very mannerless, so perhaps back off a little and give less of yourself to this friendship - in the end, do what feels right to you so that you aren't resenting her.

jeckadeck · 06/07/2011 16:41

I think its incredibly rude to criticize presents or to send them back. Staggeringly rude and ungrateful and people always go down a bit in my estimation when they do this, there's just no need for it, you can just bin it or give it away but there really is no reason to hurt someone's feelings. So on that count YANBU. But I do think expecting to be fed and watered by someone who's just given birth is also a bit off, tbh.

OldBagWantsNewBag · 06/07/2011 16:50

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thumbwitch · 06/07/2011 16:57

I really don't understand why people aren't getting that the EXP was ALSO there. He hadn't just given birth, so he had no excuse for squirrelling away the food/drink gifts and then not doing tea, or cracking open the bottle and bringing a knife - and the friend could have said to him "please could you get OP a cuppa/glass/knife or at least show her where they are"

Hmm at some people's ability to read the OP properly.

thumbwitch · 06/07/2011 16:58

Sorry, it's not in the OP, it appears in another of the OP's posts later on. But still.

Nanny0gg · 06/07/2011 18:57

"You feel harmed because your gifts did not produce the feel good reaction you want for yourself
You feel harmed because you didn't like to think that the second hand clothes were not of a standard she liked
You feel harmed because someone didn't behave how you expected them to or according to your own rules

My advise is to let go of all of this harm and forgive yourself for self harming"

Am I allowed to say 'what a load of old tosh' on here?
Oops, too late. I just did.
She doesn't feel 'harmed', she feels hurt and upset (I would think). She put thought into a gift that was rejected rudely.
The second-hand clothes could have been refused (politely) not denigrated.
And as for 'behaving as expected or according to rule', yes, the rules of a formerly polite society.

Harmed??
Oh, honestly!

Bogeyface · 06/07/2011 19:38

You feel harmed....

No, she feels offended and hurt!

I was given a big bag of clothes by my friend and some of the things are no appropriate for DD, either wrong season or I just dont like them. But I thanked her for them and have just not put DD in them! If I wasnt planning on returning them when dd has outgrown them (they are expensive designer clothes and I would feel wrong keeping them), then I would hang onto them for a year or so then quietly charity shop them.

As for the sling, when I have been given gifts that are duplicates I thank the person, say what good taste they have as they have bought the same item I had chosen for myself and would they mind if I (or they) exchanged it for something else that we need? Done in the right way, you can tell someone that you cant use their gift, and no one is offended. But dont the way the OPs friend did it was plain rude!

quimbledonsemi · 06/07/2011 20:37

How old is the baby? I wouldn't expect a drink let alone anything else. Me and the kids went to visit a friend with a new baby last week and I made sure we were all fed and watered before we left and took drinks and snacks for the kids because I didn't want to give mr friend extra stuff to do - no matter how small.
Would you rather she had kept the sling she already had and sold it? I assume she gave you it back so you could return it and get a refund.
It was rude of her to say she'd thrown clothes from your sister away but in the main YABU imo.

umf · 06/07/2011 21:09

People do get peculiar around the birth of their first child. I'd wait and see, not write off the friendship.

PelvicFloorOfSteel · 07/07/2011 10:31

This thread has been really bothering me, I know in AIBU it's impossible to really understand the whole situation and everyone will read between the lines in different ways depending on their life experiences, based on my own experience I just can't see how anyone would start a thread like this unless they were vindictive or very, very thoughtless.

I've been the subject of a bitchy 'why wasn't new mum more hospitable' thread, I was very fortunate in that I only found it years later and didn't stumble across it when I first discovered MN, which happened because I was googling post-natal depression/ baby constantly crying, at the same time as the thread was posted, I think that may go some way to explaining my supposedly poor hostess skills Sad. Even reading it a long time after the event was horrible, it hurt a bit less because some of the details were embellished, and it was the made up bits that were called unreasonable, rather than things I'd really done/not done.

To me the 'friend' who is the subject of this thread sounds very vulnerable, new mum, partner already an ex (I know for some people this works out fine but I can see it as being likely to make having a new baby more tense and stressful), your OP says she's in 'a position to need a little help'. So why not help her out, instead of bitching about her in a very public place (and one often frequented by new mums who are struggling a bit), with so many details she's obviously identifiable to herself, and quite possibly any other mutual friends/ acquaintances.

I stand by what I already said about 2 bottles of champagne looking like an expectation of a jolly piss-up and it doesn't strike me as a thoughtful thing to take to a new mum.

It's possible your friend thinks that you think of her as some kind of charity case and that's why she felt the need to point out she already had a sling/ didn't need the baby clothes (even though a sling strikes me as a very thoughtful and generous gift), it's possible she just phrased things very badly as she's not in a good place right now, it's possible she really is ungrateful. I don't know, and none of the other people reading this thread can know for certain either, who WBU. What can be said with absolute certainty is that anyone starting a thread like this has poor manners and is totally thoughtless about the harm it could do to the person being bitched about.

Sorry this is such an essay but it's really brought the whole thing back for me, I didn't realise quite how much it still effected me until I saw this thread. I wanted to just write a wildly abusive post telling you what a rubbish friend you are, but I hope by explaining where I'm coming from I can give you a bit more insight into how it feels to be on the receiving end of something like this and how your friend might feel, if she ever saw what you'd said about her.

Bonsoir · 07/07/2011 10:35

You are overdoing the gifts and you are doing so in order to be showered with gratitude. People don't necessarily want gifts. I expect your friend (you don't sound much of a friend, TBH) would have liked you to take care of her and not be so needy yourself.

Bonsoir · 07/07/2011 10:36

Nobody wants champagne, cake or chocolates after a new baby. They want a cup of tea and someone to give them TLC.

TubbyDuffs · 07/07/2011 10:37

Sorry haven't read all the replies, but do you not think that her hormones are probably all over the place at the moment.

My sister popped in to see me with flowers on the day I got back from hospital with my first baby, and I was really rude to her and said something like "Yeah flowers, like I need more of them" or similar.

I was on baby blues day and had got home to a messy house with a sticky kitchen floor from husband having had "head wetting" party the night before, so was in a really foul mood anyway.

I just wanted to cry and being nice to anyone was not possible!

What is her behaviour normally like, if she is a friend, you surely know whether she has manners or not already?