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To feel touched by Katie Price's article on Harvey?

415 replies

emkana · 30/06/2011 13:27

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2009642/Katie-Prices-heartfelt-denunciation-Frankie-Boyles-vile-slur-Harvey.html

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lottiejenkins · 01/07/2011 18:16

I dont think that Edward and Sophie do conceal their daughter, if they did then they would have said no to her being bridesmaid. There have been several pictures of Louise recently, one of her at the funfair and one riding with the Queen. The Countess of Wessex is the patron of the schoolfor the deaf that my son attends. He was so pleased when he was asked to hold the door of the primary department for her and she gave him a kiss which he was very excited about!!

mauricetinkler · 01/07/2011 19:38

smallwhitecat - "to be honest, the people who tell or laugh at these jokes don't trouble me on a personal level that much - I just think they're either chronically stupid, or chronically damaged, but in any event contemptible"
"If you want to participate in this culture do so, but be honest and acknowledge you're the same sort of person as those bastards exposed by panorama"
Smallwhitecat - in all of your ramblings and particularly those listed above, you come across as incredibly arrogant. A lot of people find Boyle funny, me included and lots of people I know. I am not chronically stupid or chronically damaged. I am also not like the carers on Panorama.
I have a lot of time and sympathy for disabled people and have great sympathy for Jordan's son because I strongly believe that such a dysfunctional upbringing is the last thing the kid needs.
However...my personal opinion is that, where humour and satire goes, virtually anything goes. Many share that standpoint. That doesnt make me/us stupid - it just makes me/us different to you. Now tell me, why are you unable to deal with that?

fit2drop · 01/07/2011 19:46

mauricetinkler would you find it funny if someone accused your child of being a sexual deviant?

(serious question)

mauricetinkler · 01/07/2011 19:48

Just make your point fit2drop

Peachy · 01/07/2011 19:51

I am not certain disabled people need sympathy

Empathy yes

fit2drop · 01/07/2011 19:57

maurice
I have made my point quite clearly further up the thread.
Howere re your 19:38 . I am asking , seriously would you find it funny if someone accused your child of being a sexual deviant.

How can I make my point on that until I know your answer .

Why the delay tactics?

mauricetinkler · 01/07/2011 19:59

Okay, fit3drop, it would depend on the context but I would guess in most cases yes (although he is only 2 so it might be a bit harsh tbf...)

tabulahrasa · 01/07/2011 20:03

But mauricetinkler it's not satire, mocking a child with a disability isn't satire, frankie Boyle, wasn't making a point about anything, especially not katie price.

The 'jokes' only work because of harvey's disabilities, which are nothing to do with her or her public image or the fact that she's had her children on television. They're purely about him being disabled - so to call it satire is actually completely wrong.

The fact is that it's not anything goes in the name of humour, plenty of comedians who rely on racism or sexism wouldn't be broadcast even on channel 4 with a warning, so why is it different rules when the minority group is a disability instead?

fit2drop · 01/07/2011 20:04

would you think it funny if at 9 yr old someone accused him of being capable of wanting to or trying to rape his own mother?

mauricetinkler · 01/07/2011 20:17

fit2drop - FB cannot be blamed for the fact that there are some v warped kids out there. That is a problem for society. FB is paid to make people laugh.
tabulahrasa - the satire (as I saw it) was the whole episode. The joke (too absurd and sick to take seriously surely to god); the hysterical tabloid press reaction (hypocrital in the extreme - drag the whole saga out as long as possible to sell papers; as if ANY media executive really gives a shit about Harvey); the outrage from Jordan (do us a favour love - if you cared so much about Harvey you would have used your money to start giving him the stability he needs long, long ago).

fit2drop · 01/07/2011 20:25

maurice I am not blaming FB for the fact there are some warped kids out there, but your defending him for his "right " to mock a disabled child in the name of humour about such a sick act anyway actually tells me more about you than him... him saying it is bad enough, you finding it funny is even worse.

The right to have your feelings does not mean the right to act like a raging asshole.

Clearly maurice you thinks he's hot shit on a stick. I agree with the shit part, though, and I definitely have my suspicions about that stick."

unpa1dcar3r · 01/07/2011 20:38

Conversely I sympathise with those who think it is fit and proper to mock a disabled child! Those people must be seriously lacking in moral backbone.

I feel quite insulted to think that someone 'sympathises' because my children are disabled. You talk of arrogance!
My disabled children do not need nor desire sympathy thank you very much. They simply need and desire a life where they are not mocked but accepted as the decent, wonderful, loving and valuable members of society that they are.

I sympathise with anyone who is too ignorant to understand that.

There but for the grace of God.

sickofsocalledexperts · 01/07/2011 20:44

Frankie Boyle is just the Jim Davidson of our age. In a few years' time, hopefully we will look back on "jokes" about disabled children with as much distaste as we do on Jim Davidson's equally offensive chalky nig-nog jokes. Or did some of you on here find those funny too?

mauricetinkler · 01/07/2011 20:47

Okay, unpa1dcar3r. I dont think I can win here. When I said sympathise I was saying that, let's say, somebody has a disability was, blind for instance. They have my sympathy in the sense that I feel sorry for them not being able to see. Is that so wrong for god's sake?

unpa1dcar3r · 01/07/2011 21:13

Sooo with that in mind MT in what way would you feel sorry for my sons? They're not blind, or physically disabled in any way. They have Fragile X syndrome (in case you missed it in a previous post)

Is your mind and body in perfect physical and mental shape and if so do you think that will last your entire life if you live to be very old? Or do you think that perhaps you may get some problems associated with age (athritus/ Alzheimers/Parkinsons etc?) Would you feel better knowing that people (say they) feel sorry for you whilst at the same time thinking it ok to ridicule you as a person becuase of your problems? Or would you feel better knowing that you are still considered a respected, valuable and worthwhile member of society and that your needs were being met in a altruistic manner by the society which embraces you for all the lovely things about you?

You say that as your child is only 2 that it would be over the top (can't remember your exact words) to make sexual jokes about him. Harvey has the mind of a two yr old in many ways (the same as my two) so does that make it unacceptable now?

It's not about 'winning' MT, I am not out to 'win' an argument with you. It's about society (and you it would seem) thinking that it is fine to laugh at and jeer disabled children (and adults) and indirectly their carers who have to witness this every damn day of their lives. It's about you accepting that this is so not acceptable.

We took our boys out the other night to a monster car show thing which we thought they'd love (we like to try new things with them when possible) However my eldest got very distraught and anxious (his routine was messed up, there were strangers, noise etc) and consequently kicked off...My younger son actually enjoyed it to the point of making strange noises and his legs going rigid. I wished I had a £1 for every one who stared, laughed, sniggered and made comments behind their hands.
These are the 'Frankie wankie pus head Boyles' of the future and the future aint looking too bright from where I'm sat!

fairydoll · 01/07/2011 21:14

can't stand the slapper!

unpa1dcar3r · 01/07/2011 21:25

To whom do you refer FD? Katie, Harvey or Frankie Boyle?
Wink

smallwhitecat · 01/07/2011 21:39

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mauricetinkler · 01/07/2011 21:55

What makes you arrogant smallwhitecat is labelling people who disagree with your view on something as stupid. This is a discussion board. People are allowed to have differing opinions to your own. If you can't get your head around that fact then you're not as smart as you clearly think you are.

razzlebathbone · 01/07/2011 21:56

There are some comedians - Boyle is one of them - who take the approach that absolutely nothing is out of bounds. Some people find them funny. I remember Denis Leary used to have loads of fans who had cancer because they loved his cancer jokes. Within hours of a disaster there will be jokes. Now if you are disinclined then you just don't watch it.

FB will joke about anything. Many people will glean from this that he hates and disrespects everyone. Others will argue that his humour is detached from how he is as a person and what he actually does/believes/thinks, and in this case that his 'joke' reveals absolutely nothing about how he views or treats disabled children. Everyone's stance is their own business.

Similarly there are others who don't find him funny but don't think his act is necessarily the man. Nor might they believe that defending his right to cater to his audience makes them haters of disabled children by default; indeed the notion seems nonsensical to them.

It works the other way too. Look at Chris Langham - inoffensive comedian, looking at child porn in real life.

The KP issue itself and this business of hiding children away...I dunno, but I don't see KP as someone who has proudly shown her son to the world, rather as a fame hungry and ruthless woman who has shown the world everything, including her other children, in whatever way she thinks will successfully market herself as a brand and therefore make money.

Others will disagree with my cynicism. Fair enough.

smallwhitecat · 01/07/2011 21:57

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SJisontheway · 01/07/2011 22:02

Just wanted to add my voice to those that are pleased that this issue has been raised by someone with a high profile. I don't really care about her past or her lifestyle choices, but I am pleased she is using her celebrity to bring attention to the unacceptable attitudes of a significant portion of the population.
FWIW, I think Katie has always spoken up for her son. When ever I read an article in the hairdressers, I always skip over the drivel and look for Harveys name. As a fellow carer, this is the only aspect of her life that is of any interest to me. She has always made it clear how much she loves him and how proud she is of him. I feel, in this regard she has actually been quite a strong advocate for carers and disabled children. I don't think this is something you can take from her.

mauricetinkler · 01/07/2011 22:22

smallwhitecat with your earlier posts I actually took you seriously, albeit disagreeing with you. Now I just think you're a smart-arsed twat making a pathetic attempt to get a few cheap sniggers from the largely sympathetic audience posting on this thread.

Katyrah · 01/07/2011 22:49

If it was anyone else trying to raise awareness for SN by letting us see into the life of their disabled son, I think most people on here would not be accusing KP of using her son for more attention etc etc.

Look at the born to be different, Katie piper series most people loved and praised them for raising awareness for disability rights an giving the general public an insight in to what many people have no experience of.

I thought the article was really honest, and who cares if it she used a ghost writer! If it's raising awareness and stopping the outrageous and disgusting comments made by not only FB, by a lot of people in our society and in the media, I can only see it as a good and positive thing.

ZXEightyMum · 01/07/2011 22:56

Interesting how FB used the word, "fuck", instead of "rape" as well. As if Katie Price, due to the way she presents herself is actually incapable of being raped even by her own young, disabled (I actually feel nauseous typing this) child. Implying presumed consent.

I was floored when KP used that word herself when describing to the other parents what had been said because I don't think I could have spoken it myself out loud without using another term and / or breaking down.

Just, yuck Sad