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To feel touched by Katie Price's article on Harvey?

415 replies

emkana · 30/06/2011 13:27

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2009642/Katie-Prices-heartfelt-denunciation-Frankie-Boyles-vile-slur-Harvey.html

OP posts:
unpa1dcar3r · 01/07/2011 11:06

Only read the 1st few posts and the only one which impressed me was Gwendoline; clearly a caring and conscientious person.
I have 2 SLD boys and I applaud Katie for highlighting the very real issues that us parents have to go through every day. I don't mean looking after the children with their complex and difficult needs but the likes of that vile bully thinking it's ok to say the things he said about a disabled child simply to try n gain a few laughs. Uuurgh, disgusting.
It wasn't about Katie per se, it was about the horror of having to listen to people ridicule and vilify your children who cannot defend themselves.
So anyone who cares to criticise Katie needs to walk a mile in her shoes caring for her severely disabled son and then perhaps you'd understand a whole lot better. OK so she gets a lot of help, so what. Wish i could, I'd bite their hands off for help with my two but she pays for it and doesn't scrounge off anyone so FFS wake up and smell the bloody coffee, she's just a mum under all that, trying to protect her defenceless son. The same as I hope we all would in her position when faced with such blatant discrimination.
Trust me disability aint a joke at best but for those who should know better to laugh at it are, in my opinon, even lower than scum.
Thank God that Katie has used her fame and fortune to make this docu. I'm not particularly a fan of hers, she leaves a lot to be desired at times, but regarding her skills with her son, who she clearly adores, she cannot be knocked.

greencolorpack · 01/07/2011 11:17

"Skank" is more comedic for me, reminds me of the prostitutes in "Phone Booth" saying "Your momma is a skank, bitch!" Better than "chav". Thanks. Mind you I daresay "skank" will be a word that offends someone else.

I agree with TheSecondComing. An awful lot of smallmindedness. There seems to be two kinds of women, those who are at peace with themselves, and want to live and let live, and others who seem to froth at the mouth with indignation who act like KP and her life are a personal affront to them. Can't understand the second group. Just don't get it at all. Yeah she's on telly all the time. I saw her once on a late night programme describing her fanny as a bucket. It made me laugh at the time. It left me thinking, this woman can be quite funny sometimes. I've watched a bit of the whole Jordan and Peter show, and read celeb articles in the gym cos there was nothing else to read, but I do find it very easy to avoid her presence/existence in most cases.

I guess there's a correlation between the people who read the red top newspapers a lot, and the ones who are all indignant, cos their reading matter means this woman is thrust under their noses the whole time.

I believe it was journalist and all-round sexpot Charlie Brooker who once decried this nasty British habit of saying "This woman was papped from the gutter showing off her pants in a tabloid paper - therefore we can now treat her like subhuman scum and laugh at her misfortunes."

ScarletOHaHa · 01/07/2011 11:25

I saw Graham Norton and my recollection is that Jordan/ KP was talking about another woman when she said 'you must have a bucket'.

She portrays herself on reality TV and not everybody likes the picture painted.

greencolorpack · 01/07/2011 11:26

Oh yes Scarlet, you're right.

Triggles · 01/07/2011 12:29

After reading through all 13 pages, I'm so disappointed and frustrated. I honestly thought that a fair majority of people on MN were intelligent, compassionate, and reasonable people. Instead I see many posting the most appalling, judgemental, and vitriolic nonsense about someone they don't even know personally - talk about hypocrisy!

It's disturbing that the conclusion seems to be that as the child's mother is Katie Price, she has no right to defend her child. She should just skulk off and hide. Ridiculous!

Or that it's only been brought up because her "career is flagging." What complete rot! What difference does it make WHERE her career is? Should she only be able to fight back if she is at the top of her popularity? Or if she's a "rising star?" Or perhaps if she has no career in the public eye at all? Again, ridiculous!

I'd venture to say that very very few that frequent MN actually KNOW Katie Price in person to any significant degree, so very few could honestly attest to her character. Just because she done a few stupid things in her life? Have you people even READ the posts on AIBU previously?!??! They're FULL of people doing stupid things - including the people posting! And I highly doubt that everyone on MN is a perfect parent. KP has said before that she's made mistakes and is not perfect. So why are people roasting her over it? Why is her past such an issue?

Regardless of what people may think about her, she has just as much right to try to raise awareness about this as anyone else. I personally think it's good to see it brought forward and addressed. I would love to see other celebrities joining in and stepping forward to say this is not acceptable.

I wouldn't want an apology from FB, if I were her though. He wouldn't be sincere anway. I would simply want his career ruined. Grin Much more satisfying. Seeing him black-listed from any public entertainment venue would be appropriate, IMO.

Sadly, I also agree that if it would have been anyone else's child, the response would have been different. Initial support, then a quick die-out, as disability isn't "fashionable"...

Oh well, at least people can't bitch that she's a single mum that has had children with different fathers and is living on benefits... Grin I suspect some of the nasty comments are from those that are upset that they can't lay THAT label on her. They're unable to use their regular insults and are feeling deprived.

MoominmammasHandbag · 01/07/2011 12:53

Personally I think Katie Price has demonstrated a massive degree of self restraint. If I was in her position with all her money and dodgy cage fighting contacts I'd be tempted to arrange for Frankie Boyle to end up at the bottom of a canal somewhere. At the very least I'd be looking to destroy his career.
That "joke" was one of the vilest things I have ever heard. I cannot for the life of me understand how the man has not been thrown to the wolves. I despair, I really do.

mauricetinkler · 01/07/2011 13:35

Why don't people stop whinging about Boyle? If he offends you so much, DON'T LISTEN TO HIM!

Triggles · 01/07/2011 13:46

Why don't you stop whinging about those of us that don't like him? If we offend you so much, go away!

mauricetinkler · 01/07/2011 13:49

Why dont you stop whinging about me whinging about you whinging about Boyle?

Pagwatch · 01/07/2011 13:50

Someone needs to say "that's your mum that is?"

pranma · 01/07/2011 13:51

I watched the programme last night with my dh ,who previously had no time for KP and all she stood/stands for.At the end we both felt we had seen a brave and loving woman wanting justice for a profoundly handicapped child.I cannot believe that anyone-mother or not,could find FB's 'jokes' even vaguely acceptable never mind funny.I am quite appalled at his attitude and feel that Ch4 have behaved disgracefully.

AmberLeaf · 01/07/2011 13:57

Why don't people stop whinging about Boyle? If he offends you so much, DON'T LISTEN TO HIM!

Oh my the hypocrisy!!

If KP offends you so much...........

HellAtWork · 01/07/2011 14:04

Frankie Boyle made quite a bit of cash out of his autobiography My Shit Life So far - which includes mention of his children etc. Apparently it's ok for him to use his kids to make cash (and his own life stories) but not for Katie Price to do the same just in the same way as he gets to deride 'celebrities' for writing their autobiographies but him doing the same doesn't count. So he's either actually

(a) a living, breathing, cash-making satirical parody which will all be revealed at some point in the future and thus all hypocrisy will be explained;
or
(b) those who think he is actually funny are just the type of people he despises, so while you're laughing at him, he's actually just saying "and you paid to see this, if I'm low, you are lower".

Judging by the fact that every 'tour' of his is called something like Morons I can heal you, or I would happily punch each and every one of you in the face , or the fact that Tramadol Nights was originally called Deal with it, Retards I think he's making it pretty clear that it is (b).

I wonder how he'd react if people started commenting on his son or daughter's appearance/abilities etc. I mean after all, happy to use them for autobiog fodder when he wants to so by his own standards they're now fair game?

Peachy · 01/07/2011 14:12

'But in a country where disabled children and adults routinely face abuse on the streets - I think it is very brave of her to stand up and say "this is not acceptable", somebody in the public eye needs to.
'

Absolutely; we've ahd an increase lately, from a family member advicating euthanasia in front of my boys (one of whome understood, after all he is 11 and high functioning) and through to DH being lambasted on a hobby related forum for having disabled kids that 'get everything free'

Am looking forward to my delivery of free everything, could do with it right now!

I don;t watch Boyle but short of locking myself and the boys in the house, we still hear his tripe: we're fair game for it to eb repeated, both in a 'ha ha' way and a 'can you believe what he said...' way. And the acceptance of shite he spouts filters down into society.

Having a child with SN is crap. Not really becuause of the slog, or the poverty (although the lady at the hosuing dept yesterday offered me her sympathy when I said i plan to get to work in 2 years or less, as she said all carers say it and none make it...) but it's becuase it is your child that you love as much as any. DS3 is a delight; everywhere we go people comment on how kind he is, and how gentle: indeed ATM he introdcues himself as 'X and I am a kind boy'. He wants to grow up, have babies, a wife and a job. he will get none of that. Forget worries about sleeping, it's that knowledge that causes actual heart pain. And it won't get better for him because he is being scapegoated into being half blamed for the ecnomic collapse ATM and we've had comments about that too. Heck there's not even a suitable school available after 11...

GwendolineMaryLacey · 01/07/2011 14:19

I look forward to the new series of the Black and White Minstrel show then, maurice. After all, the people who find it offensive can just switch off. Don't like my new range of Gollys? Don't buy one then. Problem solved.

You've just solved half of society's problems in one hit. Fab!

lottiejenkins · 01/07/2011 14:25

Err why was my comment deleted???Angry The first one i have ever had deleted i might add..................?? Everytime i see FB's autobiography with his smug face on it in the shops i turn all the copies back to front!! Grin

mauricetinkler · 01/07/2011 14:40

GwendolineMaryLacey - Boyle's comments were preceded with a warning by the broadcaster; they were aired on a slightly leftfield channel at 10pm; they were designed to provoke a reaction from Jordan and her dimwit ex in order to expose their hypocrisy and basically how full of shit they both are.
Different, IMO, to the Black and White Minstrel show.

Peachy · 01/07/2011 14:45

So how can you justify Maurice that people like my boys get exposed to recpeats of his comments from fuckwits who don't get the difference between comedey and commentary? how does putting it on a certain channel or anything make that OK? how does a warning before a programme we never watch make it OK to throw insults at disbaled seven year old kids in the street?

If people with famous names feed the tosspot brigade then they will pass it ofrwards. Has been ever thus.

GwendolineMaryLacey · 01/07/2011 14:45

That's fine. Channel 4 can show the programme and issue and warning beforehand.

As for being designed to expose KP etc, what a pile of horseshit. It was designed to take a pop at a disabled child. That's it.

GwendolineMaryLacey · 01/07/2011 14:48

There are 1001 ways to have a go at KP if that was the intention. He chose the cheap option. Not very clever, required no effort or wit and appealed to the lowest of the low.

tabulahrasa · 01/07/2011 14:57

'they were designed to provoke a reaction from Jordan and her dimwit ex in order to expose their hypocrisy and basically how full of shit they both are.'

How were they? A child was the butt of the joke, not the parents, so in what way does it expose their hypocrisy?

If the first "joke" had been about all her children, then you could argue that it was about Katie Price and Peter Andre being shitty parents while showing the kids off to make them look like good parents ( I have no idea if this is the case, I don't know them and I don't know what sort of parents they actually are). But it didn't, it singled out one child, the one who also happens to have disabilities, so the focus of the joke is then him and implies that they don't want him, not because of any flaw in them as parents but because he is flawed.

The second one, can't possibly be about anything other than Harvey's disabilities - it's basically, ha ha, look he has a neuroligical impairment, that means he's a potential rapist....

It's not in any way about Katie Price, or anyone other than a 9 year old. It shouldn't be defendable at all that an adult can mock a 9 year old because of his disability and call it comedy and pretend that it reflects something about his mother, it doesn't, at all.

Cazm2 · 01/07/2011 15:33

I notice that everyone is so busy slagging off KP and spitting spew at her that they have forgotten what a good father Dwight Yorke is?????

unpa1dcar3r · 01/07/2011 15:44

Mauricetinkler. You don't seem to get that it isn't only the likes of scum like Boyle who think it's ok to ridicule disabled children.
Many do, even in the street or taking your kids somewhere 'nice' for a trip out. It's all very well saying turn it off if you don't wanna hear it but it's everwhere, this blatant disrespect for a large group of our society. Just because it's everywhere does not make it acceptable.
How would you feel if when out in public with your child/ren people pointed/stared/giggled/sniggered/ made unfounded and disgusting rude comments directed at your children?
Bet you wouldn't like it eh, and you can't just switch that off. It happens daily for us parents of disabled children.
So a nice trip out somewhere ends up in heartache and stress and sadness. And all because some think it's ok to do this to others.

Like I've said before to some 'my kids might suffer from Fragile X Syndrome but I thank God everyday that THEY at least don't suffer from ignorance'
Boyle is well named. he is a 'boyle' on the arse of humanity.

mrjellykeepskidsquiet · 01/07/2011 15:53

The venom towards a woman you don't know astounds me.....

Peachy · 01/07/2011 16:00

unap1dca3r have we met?

If not, from one carer to another, welcome to MN main board.

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