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Would your DH/P think that these are acceptable things to say to you, or do I have permission to clock mine over the head with something heavy?

196 replies

DooinMeCleanin · 16/06/2011 14:04

We were looking for holiday clothes for me. Why any input from him is required I have no idea, he seems to think he has a right to tell me how to dress, but that is a whole other thread.

During looking for swimming costumes:

  1. "No, I don't like that one, all your belly fat will hang out all over the place. You know how paranoid you are about your belly fat"
OP posts:
nickelbabe · 17/06/2011 10:28

that last post is definitely the dictionary definition of Gaslighting.

You've told him that when he says x,y and z, it hurts you, yet he said "i didn't say that i said something completely different"

so either you're going mad, or he's lying.
I know where my bet will be placed.

buzzsore · 17/06/2011 10:30

I think what he's doing is called 'gaslighting'. Telling you he never said what you know he said, barefacedly lying until you doubt your own memory (mind, even?) Have a look at the EA threads, please, and check out 'gaslighting'.

buzzsore · 17/06/2011 10:30

x-posted with nickelbabe

nickelbabe · 17/06/2011 10:33

Grin buzz

here's the wiki article on gaslighting

malinois · 17/06/2011 10:38

Over 18 stone and only 6ft?

He's clinically obese (unless he's an elite rugby player or rower) and needs to sort himself out first.

Tell him to come back to you when he's lost 5 stone.

merlincat · 17/06/2011 10:41

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ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 17/06/2011 10:42

Dooin

Do not show him this thread.

Try reading this for a bit more info on Gaslighting, it might sound very familiar!
Gaslighting Article

Get the Lundy Bancroft book here and do not let him read it (Bancroft's advice)

Do look at the EA threads

I would have to say that his lipstick comment is possibly one of the most vile things I have ever heard. I cannot conceive how anyone could say that to another person especially not one they supposedly cared about.

GetOrf · 17/06/2011 10:56

He sounds utterly hideous.

I have issues with my DP at the moment but he has never spoken to me like that, in such an insulting, nasty and cruel way.

You say he is a good father. No he is not. A loving father would not speak to the mother of his beloved children in such a nasty way.

The fucker. I bet he only speaks to you like that. Why should you put up with it? You deserve far better.

Lifeinlalaland · 17/06/2011 11:54

Hi Dooin.

I've been lurking on mumsnet for a bit now without registering after having to cancel my account due to a mumsnet related someone I know seeing my thread incident (:-O)

Your post has promted me to re-register because I so want to advise you to get the Lundy Bancroft book. I had an emotionally absive relationship and I only fully realised all the behaviours after we split and I got this book. All the things you have described are so in this book.

I could have cried when you posted that he told you you misremebered the size 20 / 24 bit and then turning it round on you to say YOu are abusive.

When people like this get challenged they almost ALWAYS turn it back round on the person they are being abusive to.

how on earth can you telling him you are unhappy with the rude way he has treated you be abusive? It is definitley gaslighting and it drives you crazy after a while.

Please read the book, I am sure you are going to recognise so much, I was so freaked out when I read it to see my ex right there, desrcibed so accurately.

It gave me the strength to move on from him and to stop contact altogether and I have never been happier.

Good luck.

CrapolaDeVille · 17/06/2011 13:38

Reading this thread has made me realise that standards in my home are pretty poor, those of you that instantly recognised abusive behaviour have made me question why I did not.

HerHissyness · 17/06/2011 13:40

crapola, all of us who saw it have learned the hard way.... Sad we none of us would wish it on another living soul.

RevoltingPeasant · 17/06/2011 14:07

Dooin I have not suffered abuse like some here, but I just wanted to say that if my DP said to me 'You said x and y last night and it hurt my feelings' my response would NOT be 'No, I said z and anyhow you are abusive'.

That is not a normal response :(

What I would say in that case, and what I think any other normal P would say, is 'God, I'm so sorry I hurt your feelings, I totally didn't mean that' and then do whatever to make up for it. Even if I thought he was wrong, I'd feel terrible that he was hurt.

Even without having suffered abuse or read the Bancroft book, I can tell you for sure that anyone who rounds on you like that without even stopping to reflect on themselves is not doing it accidentally.

HerHissyness · 17/06/2011 14:30

Bloody good call RevoltingPeasant good to have an input from someone who isn't potentially sensitive to issues such as this! Smile

sunshineandbooks · 17/06/2011 14:40

HH that's the thing, isn't it. It's only easy to spot if you've learned about it, and for most of us that comes from painful personal experience. There seems to be two very persistent myths floating around that abusers (whether emotional, physical or both). The first says they're easy to spot and the second says they target vulnerable women who already have a history of abuse. Both are myths.

Abusers are not easy to spot. Often they are very charming and charismatic, but often they just appear completely bloody normal most of the time. Until the gloves come off of course. Trouble is, by the time this happens, you're usually involved far beyond the 'walk away easily' stage.

Certainly vulnerable women make easier targets, but what is vulnerability? It's a mistake to think that only means being abused previously (either by parents or another partner). Simply having a bad time of it for a few months (e.g. bereavement, divorce, losing a job, stress at work) can make you vulnerable. Not any of us gets through life without one or more of those things happening to us. And sometimes ignorance is all you need. If you don't know what you're looking for, how can you avoid it?

I think the real test to see if someone is an idiot repeating learned behaviour or an intentional abuser is to explain how it makes you feel and to simply ask them to stop. If they are basically decent they will stop. If they don't, or their abuse changes to a different form, they are abusers and will never change.

Finally, none of this is the victim's fault. It is not her job to police another adult's behaviour and to make him stop. It is his responsibility not to do it in the first place.

Dooin I really hope you get the help you need to deal with this.

HerHissyness · 17/06/2011 18:06

If you are alert and on your guard, going into a situation aware there could be a danger, if you are looking for red flags, you can possibly spot them.

If you allow yourself to be swept off your feet, you are already potentially in dangerous territory.

In this case the guy has got under OP's radar by being different, my X was the same, the feigning interest in her, for her sake, and not her body etc is a classic, but very shortly in, he started on her lipstick, her top that made her look like something somewhere dodgy. Maybe it's not as cynical as that, maybe these blokes DO think we are the one to begin with , but then as their interest grows, their need to control grows with it, until it suffocates us.

My mum is married to an idiot, he does all the stuff my abusive X did, but the difference is what happens when she snaps and puts her foot down. He listens, he improves, he learns. My X would perhaps stop, for a while, but he would find a way to get his own back on me for that, and he would make me pay for that removal of his right to be nasty in some other way. If I removed an entitlement for him to abuse me, he would find another thing to do to hurt me. He would exact revenge.

Absolutely agree with you on the whole thing not being the victim's fault, it's not, never was, never will be. The only mistake we make is to trust people who are not what they are pretending to be. They have ulterior motives, all we want is to love someone who we think loves us.

IME, I see that strong independent woman, vulnerable for a reason; age, circumstances, relationships, work, are the ones often targeted, as they are a challenge, need to be broken, tamed and brought into line.

davidtennantsmistress · 17/06/2011 19:53

CrapolaDeVille Fri 17-Jun-11 13:38:11
Reading this thread has made me realise that standards in my home are pretty poor, those of you that instantly recognised abusive behaviour have made me question why I did not.

totally agree with hissy.

also I never knew my relationship with XH was abusive, (well I did with the pushing & shoving when he was drunk, but that was only a few times & years prior, thought it was ok) the day after I came home after him walking out, I was talking to my dad in their kitchen about it - not much just little bits and peices snippets of how i'd been living, he said to me (and i kid you not) 'you're NEVER to go back t that man. that's an abusive relationship. I tried to argue and defend XH even then saying yes but you & mum argue/snap etc at each other, and dad said to me quite plain - if your mum & I disagree she will give as good as she gets, and we're EQUALS, I don't dictate, I don't dominate I don't belittle.' when he said that it was literally a light bulb moment. a lot of things started to make sense, and very very slowly my confidence & old self started to come back out.

When you live with emotional abuse I don't think you realise what it is overly - you rationalise it to be normal, it's their quirks, it's you upsetting them, it's never them changing the goal posts, it's never them in the wrong. it's you on egg shells tip toeing around them.

A good man would never disrespect or belittle a partner - a lesson far too many have to learn the hard way. A good man will support, love, help out, encourage & do everything he can to ensure his family is the most important thing to him. He will be happy to stand back whilst coming forward when he needs to. but what he certainly won't do is put a partner down, be a lazy good fr nothing, spend all of the food money so there's nothing left, rack up a shed load of debts, cheat, act violently, be uncommunicative.

thumbwitch · 18/06/2011 06:08

Crapola - I am half sad and half relieved that you made your last comment; in your first posts you were sounding like an apologist for this man but now I can see why. If the situation is appearing horribly familiar to you and you have now realised that yours is possibly an EA relationship as well, than that is a good thing (that you have realised it, not that you have one) but it is :( that you do have one.

I hope you also get Lundy Bancroft's book and it opens your eyes more to your own situation - then you can decide what to do about it. :)

MilkandWine · 18/06/2011 06:57

Dooin Reading this thread has made me very sad. You sound like a lovely, kind hearted woman and to read of the abuse you are suffering at the hands of this man in heartbreaking.

I know it is hard when you are a nice person to accept that others who supposedly love you could deliberately set out to hurt and belittle you. Sadly, as you are finding out, it happens all too easily. This mans behaviour has NOTHING to do with your weight. If you weighed 7 stone wet through his cycle of abuse would shift onto something else. When I was in my 20s I had an ex partner who erroded my self esteem to the point where I would wander around clothes shops not even daring to buy anything in case he didnt like it! In fact I had lost myself so badly I didn't even know what suited me anymore. It is the most horrific, misery creating place to be.

But you don't HAVE to be in this place, you can choose to free yourself of this mans clutches. I'm not saying it will be easy but you must do it for your own sanity. Do you really want this to be your life? You deserve so so so much more. This man is not fit to lick your boots, he is NOT a nice person. My ex partner went gooey over animals, sighed at romantic films and bought me flowers. But he also systematically wore me down to the point where I didn't have a thought in my head that he hadn't placed there.

Please start putting the steps in place for leaving this man, your future sanity depends upon it....

HerHissyness · 18/06/2011 09:00

All the women I 'know' on here that have been abused ALL come across as lovely warm hearted women, usually intelligent, kind and often independent/successful.

Just wondering, have we ever heard of a cold hearted, nasty piece of work succumbing to this kind of abuse?

I think it's because we represent everything that they think they are not. so rather than raise their game, they destroy us. Kind of like the media pack mentality we have in the UK, build em up then pull em apart.

BelleDameSansMerci · 18/06/2011 09:32

davidtennatsmistress - your dad is rather lovely, isn't he? Smile

davidtennantsmistress · 18/06/2011 19:38

yes he is and makes a wicked roast dinner, gets a lot of stick from mum, but like he says they both give as good as they get. :)

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