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To be furious that a male nursery worker took DD to the toilet today

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heyhoplaydough · 09/06/2011 15:24

I have always felt that it is inappropriate for male members of staff to change babies nappies or take young children to the toilet without a female chaperone. As a paediatric nurse I know that it is common policy for male doctors, nurses and other healthcare professionals to have a female chaperone present when examining or carrying out treatments on children, if their parents are not present. Adult female patients are also given female chaperones during examinations where they are undressed. This is to protect their dignity and to spare embarrassment on both sides.

Why are these basic measures not in place in childcare settings?

On joining this specific nursery, I was assured that only female members of staff change nappies or take children to the toilet. I explicitly wrote in my DD's file, that she is only to be changed or taken to the toilet by female members of staff. Each time she has moved up to a new room within the nursery I have explicitly told her key carers the same.

I regularly ask my DD whether she went to the toilet and who took her, along with other questions about her day, like who she played with, what activities she did, what she had for lunch etc. Today she told me that the only male member nursery nurse took her to the toilet, without any other staff. She also said that she wiped herself and pulled her own knickers up, and does not seem at all upset, so I am confident that nothing untoward happened. However, I feel this was entirely inappropriate, and there were several female members of staff available to take DD to the toilet instead. I am absolutely furious that my wishes as her parent were not followed. Am I being unreasonable?

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shandyleer · 09/06/2011 16:03

YABU for all the reasons already mentioned.

When you were doing your paediatric/nursing training, did you not talk about things like being non-judgemental, about treating each person as an individual and not judging by appearance etc?

GooGooMuck · 09/06/2011 16:04

having read the thread... I think you need to get a fucking grip.

heyhoplaydough · 09/06/2011 16:04

This is not a wind up. I am a mother who has not had her stipulations upheld by the people I entrusted with my child's care. I am not saying that anything happened to her, but if staff don't follow parents instructions, as previously agreed there is a breach of trust.

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TheseThingsAreGoodThings · 09/06/2011 16:04

The most popular nursery worker in my DTS nursery is a man. They have 4 nursery classes and all the parents where eager to get their little ones in the class where is works.

It is so brilliant they they get exposed to males and female carers at such a young age.

Have you guess what I think .... YABVU .....

betterwhenthesunshines · 09/06/2011 16:04

YABU to be 'furious' about it, but YANBU to be upset that your request was not listened to on this occasion. Maybe it was a one -off, in which case, let it go and don't worry so much. If it happens repeatedly then discuss it with the manager again.

If your DD is going to the loo and wiping herself, then surely there's not much involved from the adult anyway? More a questions of helping with doors and handwashing?? In which case, why all the fuss?

ragged · 09/06/2011 16:05

And the nursery worker has been CRBed and undergone "suitable person vetting". I bet none of OP's male relatives have had any of that (sigh).

Nuttychic · 09/06/2011 16:05

Have I mentioned how much I love you MN woman sometimes? Just when I think the world has lost its mind completely (ie OP and many like it), logic DOES prevail.

heyhoplaydough · 09/06/2011 16:05

I dont read the daily mail, or swear at/about other parents who ask for advice.

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cantspel · 09/06/2011 16:05

maybe the nusery could get Vanessa George to take her need time.

cantspel · 09/06/2011 16:05

next time even

saffy85 · 09/06/2011 16:06

I'm pretty sure this is a wind up but what the hell.

YABTU on many, many levels. For overreacting, for quizzing your DD about who took her to the toilet each time, (does it fucking matter really?) for chatting bullshit that male doctors always have a female chaperone with them if they examine a female patient, (bollocks) for comparing an intimate examination to accompanying a small child to the loo where presumably all the staff member would have done was remind your child to wipe themselves, flush and wash their hands afterwards. Calm down.

ragged · 09/06/2011 16:06

Then pull her out of the nursery & go find a female Childminder, OP. Living in a female-only commune. Coz that's the only way you'll get the guarantees you want.

BettySwollocksandaCrustyRack · 09/06/2011 16:06

but imagine if nursery has 25 kids and 25 different parental (and unreasonable requests), how the hell would that work??? Sorry but think this thread concludes that yes YABU!!!

mistlethrush · 09/06/2011 16:06

OK - so they ignored your wishes - perhaps you are reasonable in being cross about that - but your wishes were completely unreasonable, and they should not have agreed to them in the first place.

RitaMorgan · 09/06/2011 16:07

Nothing untoward happened, your dd wasn't upset - what's the problem?

There probably wasn't another member of staff available at that very moment, maybe it would have been better to let your dd wet herself?

DoingTheBestICan · 09/06/2011 16:08

breach of trust

Where is your trust in a nursery worker who has had full training & crb checks done?

Get real op.

altinkum · 09/06/2011 16:08

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BooyHoo · 09/06/2011 16:09

your stipulations are ridiculous. that is why they weren't upheld.

StewieGriffinsMom · 09/06/2011 16:09

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DooinMeCleanin · 09/06/2011 16:09

Hmm, last time dd1 was in A and E she had a male doctor with no female chaperone.

Dd2 went for hearing test a few days ago it was carried out by a male and there was no female chaperone. He was actually very nice. DD2 really liked him and gave him a cuddle and kiss when she left.

Why on earth would males need chaperoning by a female in order to be able to do their job correctly?

Why would it enter your mind that something untoward would have happened?

Your world must very scary for you op. I feel a bit sorry for you. Perhaps you should speak to a professional. It's really not healthy to be living in fear of half the population.

YankNCock · 09/06/2011 16:10

OP, you haven't asked for advice, you asked if you were being unreasonable. The consensus is that you are. HTH

shandyleer · 09/06/2011 16:10

You may have requested it OP, but were you given a cast-iron guarantee that it would never happen?

MollysChamber · 09/06/2011 16:10

Okay so remind the nursery of your stipulations.

Then leave it at that.

I'm wondering if there is more to this tbh - some reason why the OP should have such an irrational distrust of men caring for her child.

BooyHoo · 09/06/2011 16:11

i could stipulate that the man next door has to carry me on his back to the swimming pool every monday whilst holding a penguin in his mouth. jsut because i say thats what is to happen, doesn't mean it will!!

Blondeshavemorefun · 09/06/2011 16:12

i see both views

yanbu as that is what you asked and the nursery obv agreed - though as katymac said, im wouldnt accept a child under those circumstances either

yabu to assume all men are paeds and all woman are not Hmm

the nursery worker is crbed and their sex shouldnt matter

i feel sorry for this male worker tbh

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