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nethunsreject · 02/06/2011 06:53

I live in a quiet village. Half a dozen travellers set up camp across the road last week. They have been quiet, tidy and their kids well behaved. However, this hasn't stopped some of my neighbours complaining to the council about them and plans are now in place to move them on.

I am ashamed by this NIMBY-ism.

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DirtyMartini · 05/06/2011 17:47

What a deeply unpleasant thread.

beesimo · 05/06/2011 17:48


Yet more lies I have never got anothers posts deleted as I think it is wrong.

I never mentioned 'kiddy fiddlers'

Very sorry to ruin MN for you it must be a sad day when someone exposes you for the fool ya are

AgainWhen · 05/06/2011 17:49

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ccpccp · 05/06/2011 17:51

I didnt say you got threads deleted beesimo. In fact : 'Its rarely the target of the so called 'racism' who reports. They have more self respect.' was a clear attempt to exclude you from the generalisation.

diabolo · 05/06/2011 17:54

maristella please look at beesimo's reply to my very straight-forward question at the bottom Page 3 and top of Page 4.

It's not very nice.

Sorry Maristella - have you read it yet?

And please can awful people stop calling travellers such awful names? It's no wonder they hate most of us is it?

This thread has descended into near insanity, people on one side, who haven't read all the posts leaping to wrong conclusions and bloody vile people who are making racist comments on the other.

maristella · 05/06/2011 17:57

Not yet diabolo Wink

giveitago · 05/06/2011 17:57

Beesimo - what do you mean by gypsy? What ethncity are they and how do you personally differentiate between gypsy, traveller and roma?

AgainWhen · 05/06/2011 17:59
EssentialFattyAcid · 05/06/2011 17:59

Would you be happy if they set up camp in your back garden without permission?
If not I think you are being quite nimby yourself.

QueenOfFeckingEverything · 05/06/2011 18:00

This is how it always goes when the subject of travellers comes up on MN.

I used to try and reason, but I don't bother now. Too depressing.

thefirstMrsDeVere · 05/06/2011 18:02

Yep I have pretty much given up too.

maristella · 05/06/2011 18:03

ccpccp do you really think that someone's self respect is compromised if they speak out if they feel that they are a victim of racism?

By stating that beesimo had been "doing quite well defending her community by accusing everyone of being kiddy fiddlers or BNP supporters" you quite clearly were not excluding her from any generalisation but were making a very snide personal attack.

As for us 'queen bees', you know nothing of me or my ethnicity; please do not presume.

maristella · 05/06/2011 18:04

Essential I don't think the travellers the OP was talking about were in a garden, and besides my garden would not fit a trailer in it!

Queenof and thefirstMrs I hear you! :)

QueenOfFeckingEverything · 05/06/2011 18:07

For anyone interested - - a song about exactly this kind of prejudice, and one of my favourites for singing round the fire Smile

giveitago · 05/06/2011 18:08

'When they are local to us they are as free a birds.

When they are somewhere their not know 'smiling and making eye contact' and say a purse goes missing from a shop???

Or a 'white' man tries to hurt one of the and it is my DD who made eye contact and smiled.

I am glad I come on this MN because nothing has change you can cover a cesspool of hate with a silver lid but lift the lid and the cesspool is still there.@

So, love, if you pool all traveller communities together to you want to explain to me why travellers were so horribly racist to my friends at university and more recently a local settled community traveller called my mum a word that began with the word P?

diabolo · 05/06/2011 18:10

well maristella, when you have read it, perhaps you'd like to re-think your comments about me picking on beesimo.

QueenOfFeckingEverything · 05/06/2011 18:10

Because some people are racist cunts, giveitago.

Peachy · 05/06/2011 18:11

'I'd quite like a council house, but I'd not get one on the grounds that I don't qualify as needing one. That's just the way it is.'

Well the issue is that very few private landlords or agencies will take a self employed tenant (something that would really affect us). It's 6 months of payslips or fuck off around my way, a way that seems to have a very high proportion of travellers comapred to 'home' (and less Traveller/ crime issues- no idea why mind).

So we would be housed, as would a Traveller, in lieu of other accomodation (as conformed by LA). I don;t really want a council house though; I would go without an awful lot as for some reason there's a sense of giving in attached to being housed but that might be becuase I was raised on a bad estate and we fought for years to have a nice home only to encounter a few difficulties that make us a priority now.

Except there isn't any, maybe a B&B and living in those is a nightmare existence, or at least has been for the friends I have had / famillies I have supported in them.

People can;t just step into MS society; it takes paperwork and records and unless you can buy a house outright housing will a singularly massive issue for you.

All the travellers near us live in horrid, scrapyard-like wastegrounds, next to motorways and main roads. I seriously doubt that's what they want any more than anyone else. At the site I see most days, a long-unused premises, I suspect the risk to the children from abuse and traffic is higher than the risk to anyone from the community living there; indeed they have been there for ages and the LA have provided toilets with no sign of eviction so I guess nobody cares much.

beesimo · 05/06/2011 18:12


Had not checked back over thread as I thought 'what she on about as have never spoken against her' have now read back and realise you think because my remark followed direct on your post I was being shan with you, not so it was coincidental

However it is good point to make you have misthought Bs deed and turned agin me and said increasing wild talk. I am partly to blame for thinking bitch and not checking back but it took just ONE mistake on my part for thee to turn on me didn't it!

I apologise for hurting your feelings over post I meant you no harm at the time.

Peachy · 05/06/2011 18:13

QueenOf- exactly

Some travellers are not nice

Some rich people are not nice
Some MN users are not nice
Some of every bloody group going are not nice

And if you happen to stick out in any way whatsoever people will notice it more quickly and extrapolate to anyone from your community. Regardless of whether they are the devil incarnate or a positive saint.

diabolo · 05/06/2011 18:16

beesimo I haven't "turned on you with wild-talk".

Thanks for the apology / clarification.

maristella · 05/06/2011 18:17

diabolo I frankly cannot be arsed. I read the thread through earlier, and it was obvious beesimo was understandably upset. It did come across that you were targeting her though. I'm not going to read through something I read through just over an hour ago. Your response to her was unnecessary.

worraliberty · 05/06/2011 18:18

Beesimo (at the risk of getting my head bitten off) I really don't understand your posts about your children not making eye contact, purses going missing etc... and you saying When I say be careful when your not local, I tell my DDs especially 'move quickly don't make eye contact make yourself invisible' and they laugh

You've stated that you're 'Not a Traveller as such' and that your family have been settled for 3 generations

So why on earth would you need to say any of the above to your children? Confused

maristella · 05/06/2011 18:18

Oh and ccpccp racism is not 'in officially in the eye of the beholder' there are legal definitions of racism, and it does not only offend the intended victim.

giveitago · 05/06/2011 18:30

'Because some people are racist cunts, giveitago.' - EXACTLY - I always laugh when people accuse other people of discrimination.

As my lovely (now dead) granny used to say ' when you point the finger, don't forget there are three fingers pointing back at you'.

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