to be incredibly annoyed with my 20 month old son.

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so much that Ive had to go upstairs and calm down away from him.

In the shower this morning, and ds playing/shouting for me, but as I was washing my hair, was reassuring him that il be a minute etc... anyway looked down and their is my £300 NEW mobile phone, broken, gone, etc... yes its insured through my house insurance, but Ggggrrr, I'm so annoyed.

annoyed at my 20 month old son, honestly!.

It was on charge in my bedroom, same place where I have charged my mobiles for 5 years. Grrr .

"I dont agree with wrist strap, as they can break wrists, or if a child falls, they may not be able to break the fall by their arms with the straps on (this has been done by a family member of mine, whilst trying to run in the direction of a road)"

Eh? How many bones do you think may have been broken if said child had made it to the road? I may be reading your post wrongly but I'd rather a broken wrist than a fractured skull. Jesus!

or you would minimise the risk and keep them in there pushchair/hold hands/carry them etc... until they were at a age where they could understand.

I done it with DS1, who shockingly has never tried to run onto a road.

You dont have just the two options

stranded no, we dont we have a little bed for him, as we've always co-sleep-ed (waiting for the [shocks] on that one). Ds cant shower, very frightened of it, unfortunately.

Well if you don't like playpens and want to have a shower in the day , you are likely to get something broken if you don't put it up high!

I dont have a choice to shower in the day, I work nights, 6 days a week. Dh comes home from work, I go straight out. The phone issue will be sorted by tonight with a floating shelf x

OP please look back at my posts and see how I have tried to be understanding. All children are different and it doesn't matter what your beliefs are, the whole point of responsible parenting is that one size does not fit all.

to your "minimise the risks" bollocks. DS was almost three before we realised he was autistic but before that time we always kept him in the backpack harness (still do) because as his parents we knew he wasn't safe holding hands. He is now four and people like you are judging us for having him in a pushchair. We can't win!

DD was a marvel when it came to walking alongside me. She did, safely, from a very early age. 99.9999999 percent of the time. But one time, which is all it takes, at a bus stop, when she less than a metre away, she got exited at the approach of the bus and stepped into the road in front of it. It took a second.

You can never be too complacent.

Im not judging, my 5 year old still uses a pushchair, as he gets weak due to a disorder he has, my TWO nieces has serious disorders/illnesses (both are in my care).

In not judging anyone, hence why Ive always said we parent differently does make either one of us in the "wrong".

Im sorry if you've got that from my posts, but I haven't said any of those, nor judged anyone.

Perhaps I am being sensitive, but statements against and then posts following up your personal beliefs which contradict the experience of people who do not share your views wrt various items which many parents have found helpful and in some cases, life-saving (or sanity-saving ) implies a bit of judging. Sorry if I misunderstood.

I do hope your phone recovers

Christ on a cracker that must be the most grammatically clumsy post I have ever written / read

Is anyone else feeling mildly envious of Tee after her post of: "This is why nothing important is lower than about 3 feet" on page 1?

Only three feet? I'm having to position things six feet up off the floor!

[competitive I-have-it-harder than you emoticon]

I have to get up in the morning two hours before I go to bed and I live in a cardboard, and eat gravel for breakfast

Sorry am I missing something? You said he got your phone - which was charging. He therefore could have pulled the wire out where it was connected to the phone and put that in his wet mouth which would have electrocuted him. Or were you not charging your phone?

Who cares! It's insured! He's a baby. Grow up.

Just to be clear I'm not talking about any danger from the actual socket - the danger from sockets is minimal - unless you use a 3 pin socket cover which you have said you don't.

op - you are the one moaning about your phone. you have also been deliberately provocative criticising others safety methods. what an odd thread

just to be clear. i didnt criticise whether you do/don't use a wrist strpa or similar but you stated that the reason you choose not to was risk of broken wrists. i merely pointed out that a broken risk was preferable to a dead/seriously injured child because you recalled an incident where a child ran toward the road.

He is 20 months and couldnt care less if your phone is worth £5 pounds or 5p. It's your job to safeguard him and your belongings. yabu.

foofffy - yes quite

YABU to be annoyed with him, children are naturally destructive inquisitive and if you don't want them to get something you need to keep it out of reach.

I heard DH complaining this morning that 'DS has done it again' as DS (11 months) had reached and spilled a drink over. I said 'No, you have done it again' because DH knows DS can reach glasses left on the arm of the chair, so it is his responsibility as a parent to make sure they are out of reach. Luckily it wasn't a hot drink, but if it was DS would still have reached for it.

What a bunch of saints! Honestly :o!!

Of Course you can be annoyed! it's a perfectly valid human emotion that you cannot control and I hate the way mums are always made to feel bad for feeling them. You are not annoyed with you DS you are annoyed at what he did! and that's perfectly ok :)

I find screaming into a pillow helps!

TBH, I find that I am never annoyed about things DS2 does (15 months) because if he gets his mits on the Ipod/phone/owt else then I am to blame for not supervising him properly.........or for not putting him into his PLAYPEN/BABY PRISON (for all those folks squeamish about such things)

are there still people who use socket covers? In the UK? Good grief!

Unlike almost every other country in the world, the UK has the advantages of the square-pin, fused, 13A plug and socket system that is crammed with safety devices*. One of them is that until you insert a plug (you will notice that the earth pin is longer than all the others) the Line and Neutral entry holes are blocked with a non-conducting barrier inside the socket. This is to prevent anyone poking anything into these holes and potentially getting a shock.

It is surprisingly difficult to poke anything which has not been designed to fit, into the Earth hole and open the barrier. A screwdriver, for example, will only work if it is the correct size and it is held straight and firm against quite a strong spring. As soon as you allow it to turn or go out of line, or to come out of the hole, the barrier shuts.

Socket covers have a place in those countries using inferior 2-pin plugs with no barrier, but in the UK, they only work by pushing into the Earth hole, which can only happen by opening the barrier over the line and neutral holes. When the socket cover is a poor or loose fit (they mostly are) or gets broken or incorrectly fitted, it holds the barriers open and allows access. Because it has been made to fit the Earth hole, it holds the barrier open even without being carefully held at the correct angle against the spring. So it adds danger instead of removing it.

If you don't believe me, get a torch and squint inside a 3-pin socket, and you will see that there is a barrier inside both the lower holes which prevents contact with any metallic conducting part.

*the square-pin plug and socket system was designed nearly 70 years ago with British post-war national reconstruction in mind. A few extra safety features have been added since. If you're not careful I'll tell you more about them.

PJ are you a man? No female would have such an indepth knowledge of sockets I suspect.........

you'll just have to try and guess.

By the way, unlike plugs in most other countries, you'll notice the flex on a UK plug comes out of the bottom, not in-line with the plug prongs. Thisi makes it difficult to use the flex as a handle to yank the plug out. It was done deliberately, because yanking the flex tends to pull it loose from the terminals inside.

It also means that if you push furniture against it, it will not bend or crush the flex. It also reduces trip hazard