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Need advice badly!!!

383 replies

worriedandneedsomeadvice · 25/04/2011 16:54

I've just been at the garden centre with my 7 month DD and my 4 year old cocker spaniel.

A man bent down to stroke my dog before I could tell him not to and my dog went for him. Badly. His hand was dripping blood immediately.

I apologised and apologised and my BIL (the manager of the garden centre) took over to make sure the man was okay so I could take the dog (and DD) out.

He's been a bit growly lately but has never done anything like this before.

I'm shaking. I don't know what's going to happen and I don't know what to do.

He's fantastic with my DD, gentle as a lamb with her but as I said, lately he's been growly, especially at children he doesn't know so I've made sure to keep him on a lead and mostly just at home. But he loves BIL so I always take him to the garden centre when we go...

I can't believe this has happened. I don't know what to do. I'm waiting for BIL to call me, but the mans hand looked terrible... Absolutely dripping with blood. It was so quick.

Please give me some advice if you can??

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GypsyMoth · 25/04/2011 16:55

welll for a start keep the dog away from your dd,away from everyone.

CeliaFate · 25/04/2011 16:57

It all depends on what action the man wants to take. He could call the police I guess. As cocker spaniels are not classed as a dangerous breed, I doubt they'd do much, but you need to ensure your dd is safe. Don't assume he won't bite her.
I'd take him to the vets to make sure he's well. If he's ill that may make him act out of character.
Muzzle him when you're out.
Never leave him alone with dd.
Perhaps if the man is ok and doesn't want to take it further, give him vouchers for the garden centre?

MummyDoIt · 25/04/2011 16:58

Get the dog checked out at the vet. He could be in pain which would explain the growliness, particularly if the man touched a sore spot. Also, use a muzzle when you're out until you have worked out what the problem is. Agree with Tiffany that you must keep the dog away from your DD.

ChippingInLovesEasterEggs · 25/04/2011 17:00

Bloody hell. Why don't you have a muzzle on him? :(

It sounds to me like he has become overly protective since you had DD.

I've just PM'd Vallhala - hopefully she can help!

BaadRobot · 25/04/2011 17:00

Sorry this has happened to you (and the man!) but my first thought was - if your dog has been growly at people recently then he should have been wearing a muzzle.

I got a chunk taken out of my leg from a relative's dog that had never bitten anyone before, just because I was walking him and he went mad when he saw a cat. He has been muzzled when outdoors ever since.

I would say make sure your dog has a muzzle on every time you take him out from now on, and I would be really extra careful when he is around your DD, because he has shown that he is capable of hurting someone and although I'm sure he is a lovely dog, it just goes to show how unpredictable they can be.

Finallyspring · 25/04/2011 17:01

My daughter was attacked by a very small dog who belonged to a member of our family. A very well cared for and well trained dog. My daughter was so badly bitten she needed extensive plastic sugery. I love dogs, but they are animals. Never kid yourself your dog is special and different.

beesimo · 25/04/2011 17:02

He might well have a tooth infection hence out of character behaviour immediate trip to vet is called for, if someone touch you on mouth abcess you'd flare up

beesimo · 25/04/2011 17:05

The man approached the dog not the other way round therefore he contributed to outcome. Do not reject dog for one incident

SomethingProfound · 25/04/2011 17:05

Trip to the vets ASAP if he is displaying out of character behaviour especially violent behaviour.

and a muzzle when you are out for the foreseeable future

worriedandneedsomeadvice · 25/04/2011 17:06

Chipping - I didn't have a muzzle on him because in 4 years he's never bitten anyone... It's somewhere he goes all the time, and it's not something I would have ever expected to happen. I'm in shock.

The growliness was only that... I really didn't think he'd bite anyone. At all.

I've put him in the kitchen behind the baby gate. He's never alone with my DD anyway but I'll make sure he's not now.

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Salmotrutta · 25/04/2011 17:07

Totally agree about the trip to the vet and using a muzzle.
One of our dogs from years ago was a big softie who changed to being snappy and unpredictable when she was ill.
Has the dog changed in any other ways e.g still eating OK etc.?

I hope the man is OK too but he probably shouldn't have stroked the dog without asking Sad

worriedandneedsomeadvice · 25/04/2011 17:10

He's been eating fine... Always been a pig.

I've had a bit of a feel over his face, paws and ears and he seems fine... He hasn't gone for me. He knows I'm angry though, he's laying under a stool looking sorry for himself.

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NoCarbsBeforeMarbs · 25/04/2011 17:10

Wonder if it could be the heat?
Hot uncomfotable dog just wanting to be left alone?

Hope the mans' hand is not too badly hurt, and that you manage to find out what's bothering your dog.

Grabaspoon · 25/04/2011 17:14

DO NOT MAKE THIS THE GUYS FAULT - Yes he probably should have asked however if you didn't tell him No, or have a muzzle on a dog that had already been growling for days then it is YOUR RESPONSIBILITY.

Tsil · 25/04/2011 17:14

Our collie bit someone once while the guy was walking past him when my SIL was walking my 2 dogs. Luckily his thick winter coat meant no bleeding and we agreed he wouldn't take it any further as long as we muzzled the dog when out which we did until we took him to training classes and never let anyone but us walk him again. He has never done anything like that since and the older he gets the more laid back he becomes.

There never was a reason other than we think someone in dark clothing tried to break into our house and the dog took an aversion to people in dark clothes from then on.

Sometimes there is no discernible reason but don't dismiss him for once incident.

kw1986 · 25/04/2011 17:15

Do his eyes look ok? Is his sight ok? Just wondering if the man has maybe taken him by surprise...

ChippingInLovesEasterEggs · 25/04/2011 17:15

Worried - I really am sorry for your situation, don't think I'm not, I had a spaniel and I adore them... however, you said 'the man bent down to stroke him before I could say not to' - which indicates you know that things aren't quite right with your dog. I'm not saying he needs a muzzle for life, just that if it had been my dog I would have bought & used one for my dogs sake - just so this couldn't happen. I know it must be a huge shock though :( What have you done so far? Have you spoken to the man? Have you spoken to your BIL to see how the man is? What he intends to do?

I don't know if you saw it before or not, but a while ago there was a thread where a woman had a new dog and it got out of the car as she was arriving home and it attacked one of our MNers dogs (it was being walked by her two children). The woman called up the breeders association for the type of dog it is and asked them to come out and help her retrain him and she apologised to the MNer and called to see how their dog was (I think she even popped around with a small present or something?) Basically she went out of her way to make sure the family was OK and got as much advice & training as she could for the dog and also said she wouldn't let the dog jump out of the car like that again... at the end of it the MNer felt that the woman had done all she could and would ensure the dog wouldn't be of danger again - so the MNer felt it was OK not to take it any further. I think you need to do this if you want to protect your dog as much as you can. As well as buy a muzzle today to use whenever you take him out... show willing x

Shakirasma · 25/04/2011 17:17

If the man has to go to hospital for stitches then they will notify the police.

Tsil · 25/04/2011 17:18

Chip - that is what we did, we paid for a new coat for the guy and kept our dog muzzled when out for 2 years after the event and all the training as we never wanted us or anyone else to be in that position again and the other side were happy we responsible and would make sure the dog was not a danger to anyone else.

beesimo · 25/04/2011 17:20

Shakirasma

No they won't

worriedandneedsomeadvice · 25/04/2011 17:23

I'll absolutely muzzle him now.

I haven't heard from BIL yet... He told me he'd call.

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Vallhala · 25/04/2011 17:24

"As cocker spaniels are not classed as a dangerous breed, I doubt they'd do much"

WRONG!!!!

The dog is at SERIOUS risk of being PTS at foot of a court order under the Dangerous Dogs Act and of course the OP is at risk of legal action too. He does not have to be a "banned" breed to suffer the punishment if he has bitten and there is no such thing as leniency for a one-off offence. What happens will depend on the bitten man's compassion for animals and whether there is police involvement.

It goes without saying that until you've addressed and resolved the problem 100% he should be kept away from your DD NOT because he is automatically a risk to her but because you don't yet know why he acted as he did.... and for that a vet's surgery is your first stop.

If your vet suggests that you have your dog euthanised, tell him to fuck off and get back to me, please. Most aren't that stupid but there's always one of course.

When you've checked him out with a vet, andif he can find nothing physiological, you have two options... work with a behaviouralist or approach a NO KILL rescue to take your dog on and rehabilitate him if you're not willing to do so yourself.

It must be remembered that there are some overbreeding and other problems with Cockers which have led them to suffer what's called "Cocker rage" - striking out for no apparent reason. (Only there is a reason, as I said, bad decisions on the part of breeders). This is an area which IMHO requires a behaviouralist employed by the owner or experienced assessment and rehabilitation by a good rescue.

I'm not even discussing having him killed, I don't consider that an option for ANY healthy dog, and I don't intend to get into debate about that issue on this thread. If people want to argue amongst themselves, fine, if they want to argue with me, put it on a seperate thread here or on the Doghouse and I'll give a bloody good defence of the dog when I have time... which isn't now.

All I will say is this - the dog was on a lead, changes in the home, hot day and some prat put his hand into the dog's face without asking the owner if he could stroke the dog... FFS! We teach our children not to do that, don't we?! Dickhead!

worried, you'd be wise to call your BIL very soon and see what action, if any, the man intends to take, what the extent of the injury is and what his attitude and demeanour was (apart from shock and pain of course). Then take it from there.

Right now I'd be considering moving the dog out of the home personally, so that if the authorities came to seize him he wasn't there but he was in safe, experienced and sensible hands. Again, that's not up for discussion here, it's my personal view and I must making the OP aware of the fact that it would not be a legitimate action... but would be in my opinion a moral one. I'm just offering advice and options.

PM me if there is anything I can do, worried.

Rhinestone · 25/04/2011 17:24

Well, I'm going to speak up for the dog here.

From your dog's POV, a large human who he didn't know approached you and DD without all the usual 'introductions', whether doggie or human. So your dog defended you both.

Now obviously by our standards, he shouldn't have done that but in my mind he acted defensively, NOT aggressively. Has he only started growling since DD was born? And you say he has never growled at her?

I would second taking him to the vet in case there is a physical cause. Plus you can ask about the best way to train him not to display this behaviour.

Other than that, I would keep him away from other people because sadly if this happens again, I think the police have the power to have him destroyed. Sad Really hope nothing else comes of this OP.

theagedparent · 25/04/2011 17:25

If a dog bit me so badly that I was dripping blood everywhere I would call the police and report it. I think you should expect a visit from them.

Shakirasma · 25/04/2011 17:25

Really? A nasty ex partner breached an anti harassment order and physically attacked my friend in her own home. Friends dog bit the attacker, who needed hospital treatment. Ex didn't want police involved as they should never have been at he house, but hospital reported it anyway.

Police came and did a behavioural assessment of the dog. She now has a doggie asbo lol. It was the police who explained that the hospital had to report dog bites!

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