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To think picking a 4yr old child up by their arm and throwing them on a sofa

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devonsmummy · 16/04/2011 08:34

is totally unreasonable - followed by 4 mansize smacks to the bottom?

OP posts:
therealmrsbeckham · 17/04/2011 13:06

Ooh Shiney what a vile specimen Sad Angry.

Yes your right that protective instinct does/should kick in

NinkyNonker · 17/04/2011 13:23

What's odd/bad is that he wasn't in the situation from the beginning and getting would up with it, this was his 'fresh'/non-red mist reaction, if you see what I mean? If he can do this when 'calm', what could he do when het up?

I was smacked as a child and don't consider myself abused. I will never do it/tolerate it myself though. This is a different kettle of fish however.

dontcallmepeanut · 17/04/2011 13:26

Shineon, he sounds positively vile.

My ex-P was little better, if at all. I'd left him in charge of DS so I could go to a college interview. As I left, I told him DS needed his milk feed at 1pm, just after lunch, then a nep at half one. I returned at four pm, (I'd been out five and a half hours) to find DS still hadn't eaten lunch, hadn't had his milk, and hadn't had a nappy change or sleep. When asked about it, ex-P told me that DS hadn't "needed" a nappy change, wasn't hungry, forgot about the milk, and he'd spent a whole five minutes trying to get him to take a nap. Hmm

I let the subject drop, giving him the benefit of the doubt (one off, or whatever)

A few weeks later, I was ill, and ex-P said he'd take the reponsibility of getting DS to bed. This was the first time in 13 months he'd tried, so DS wasn't used to it and screamed. I took over, got DS settled, then sat down to watch a film, when DS started crying again, to which ex-P replied "I'll fucking belt him if he doesn't shut the fuck up"... I told him if he ever laid a finger on DS we'd be gone. I settled DS back to sleep, and that was it.

When DS was 16 months old, I'd returned from the hospital after an eye check up. Before I'd left, I'd emptied the ironing pile on to the armchair, to tackle when I got home. DS managed to pull some clothes off the pile in one go, and was greeted with me telling him to stop, and then his Dad grabbing him by the arm. Even if it didn't hurt, it scared him. I still remember the look on his face.

I left the next day, along with DS, and a rucksack of clothes. That was it... I'd forgiven ex-P countless times for assaulting me, but was not gpoing to risk letting him hurt DS. So yeah. Shineon is right. Something can/does kick in when you need to protect your child.

GypsyMoth · 17/04/2011 13:31

when my dd was 7 she went on an access visit to exh....came back saying he had smacked her,she evenhad a hand mark......solicitor sent a letter to say no more smacking but i never let her go back....went through court and he got no access at all 9few other issues,but his violence was main concern)

GypsyMoth · 17/04/2011 13:33

i actually left him because he had been smacked as a child,and continued to use this form of discipline.....and i saw him getting more heavy handed the older the dc got....as they pushed the boundaries more.....

DooinMeCleanin · 17/04/2011 13:34

My Dad used to buy me presents after he'd hit me badly. He used to apologise too. And swear he would never do it again. I begged my mum to allow me to be taken into care when I was 13.

It did stop for a while when I was about 10. One of his presents to me, my lovely doberman, went for him after he tried to hit me in rage. It scared him enough to stop him hitting me around the dog. She passed away in my arms when I was 12.

It stopped for good when I became big enough and strong enough to fight him back. He also stopped hitting my mum too. She is still with him, more fool her. She claims to love him. I hate that. I hate that she can love a man who has damaged her children in the way he has.

He is sorry now, because he thinks he is dying. He is afraid that once he dies, no-one will be at his funeral and no-one will remember him fondly. He is not sorry for what he did to us. He is sorry for what he has done to himself. He knows how much he despised his own father and doesn't want to be remembered that way. He was abused as a child also.

Op - people who behave like this can't just 'stop'. If you want things to work with your H he needs counselling and parenting courses. If he is genuinely sorry he will agree to them and undestand that he needs them.

mamatomany · 17/04/2011 13:35

My mother choose to stay with a man who battered me as a child, i've never forgiven her, him i almost can because he was an alcoholic but her, never.

dontcallmepeanut · 17/04/2011 13:40

Dooin, well said. hugs It's horrible to see how much some of mumsnet have been through

wubblybubbly · 17/04/2011 13:59

"Op - people who behave like this can't just 'stop'. If you want things to work with your H he needs counselling and parenting courses. If he is genuinely sorry he will agree to them and undestand that he needs them."

Dooin, I totally agree.

OP, your DH is basically refusing to talk about his behaviour, it's like he wants to pretend it never happened, that it should all be forgotten and forgiven. I would worry that he's blocking out what happened and not dealing with it or taking responsibility at all.

ChippingInLovesEasterEggs · 17/04/2011 14:39

DevonsMummy - Sorry, but I wouldn't give a rats arse if he wanted to stop talking about it. We'd stop talking about it when I was reassured that he understood how serious this was and had told me what he intended to do about it. It sounds highly unlikely that he will just 'stop' (long term), something that seems so ingrained in him unless he either gets some counselling/attends a course or really takes it onboard that he's turning into his father. How convinced are you that he understands that you are serious about leaving if he ever lays a hand on him again? (you are aren't you???).

InPraiseOfBacchus · 17/04/2011 14:46

A shock slap is occasionally forgivable if the parents wants to stop a child endangering their safety or something drastic - like running across a road.

"Deliberate" hitting is never excusable, it is there solely to satisfy an angry adult, not to improve bad behaviour. As such it is a selfish and cruel act. I have never experiences this kind of punishment in my own life, but this kind of thing makes me extremely uncomfortable, as I associate it with satisfying unhealthy urges in adults concerning their relationship with children. Either power, or something else.

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