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To wonder what everyone's reaction's are to OG NIKI and her proclamation?

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LDNmummy · 14/04/2011 13:33

Really interested to know what people think about this. There has been a lot of talk about how people would react if it was their daughter or family member.

For those who don't know the back story, this is about a 17 year old girl who MC's (raps) from Birmingham. She has been an instant internet hit in the last couple of day's but for all the wrong(?) reasons.

Niki has made a grime (grime is a genre which can probably be defined as an original British rap style) tune about having sex with 6 guys at once and cites that everyone has been 'in her' since she lost her virginity at 16.

She is actually skilled as an MC but there is raging debate about her lyrics and attitude toward sex.

Personally I have grown up as part of the urban generation that listen's to grime music and find that it has it's good points and bad points like all genre's. But, with a very recent video by a mainstream grime artist featuring actual sex scene's (actual pornographic material) and now this, I do feel it is taking a nosedive. But I am not here to ask about the genre (just sad that this is coming out of it), more interested in what people would feel if this was their daughter. She say's her mother knows and does not care!

There seems to be a divide in opinion with some saying she is just being honest and making her claim to fame which is effectively working, and others are saying saying this is no way to get fame and she is degrading herself immensely.

Is this really a reputable way to fame these days? Has music sunk to this level of 'sex sells'?

: Please be aware that this link contains explicit lyrics
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SomethingSuper · 14/04/2011 13:37

This news just in; I am old.

ShirleyKnot · 14/04/2011 13:39

I (obviously) know nothing of..Grime (except for like, dirt) but I think a young woman talking/singing/rapping whatever about having sex with 6 guys at once as some kind of Badge of Honour is beyond sad. Sad

StewieGriffinsMom · 14/04/2011 13:40

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dearyme · 14/04/2011 13:40

if other people can make fortunes with no talent and being pointless, then why shouldnt she

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LDNmummy · 14/04/2011 13:40

That's why I included the handy little explanations Grin

TBH I'm a little too old for this too but as I am going to be a parent I had to ask what would people think as Parent's and adults generally.

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ShirleyKnot · 14/04/2011 13:43

I'd be surprised if someone said "oh yah, it's totally enpowering"

but then again MN seems to be a bit hinky to me at the moment, so you never know

cantspel · 14/04/2011 13:45

Well she aint that famous as i have 2 teenagers who are into their music and they have never heard of her.

I just showed my 13 year old the youtube clip and he said she is sad slag and to look at the comments as i bet they are all abusing her.

He is right as most of the comments are not great.

zingzillachinchilla · 14/04/2011 13:45

I realise that I must live in a bubble - and it's a bubble from which I don't want my DD ever to emerge from. Genuinely shocked by your post, OP, and it makes me feel sick to realise that this might be perceived as becoming mainstream. The piece that worries me most is that she doesn't realise or mind that this is degrading for her... or perhaps I'm over-reacting (I hope I'm not). So sad.

SummerRain · 14/04/2011 13:45

I feel like I need a shower after watching that tbh. What a sad thing to be proud of (and I freely admit i was a slutty interesting teen so that isn't coming from any saintly 'I was a virgin til i was 26' moral high ground)

TBH, I don't think she's a good MC at all.... plenty far better out there with intelligent lyrics to boot.

StewieGriffinsMom · 14/04/2011 13:46

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SomethingSuper · 14/04/2011 13:48

It seems that in order to be taken seriously, you have to hate yourself as much as the men this music is aimed at hate you.

ShirleyKnot · 14/04/2011 13:48

Bloody Hell cantspel.

Gotabookaboutit · 14/04/2011 13:48

Grime, is something that happens around my bathroom taps while I'm trying to match lids to boxes in my Tupperware cupboard and mentally thanking rural location for backward, street naive kids.

cantspel · 14/04/2011 13:49

Shirley why bloody hell?

SomethingSuper · 14/04/2011 13:51

Slag is a horrible, horrible word.

ShirleyKnot · 14/04/2011 13:51

If my 13 year old son called someone a sad old slag I'd be VERY angry and upset.

jesus.

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LDNmummy · 14/04/2011 13:53

Cantspel she is now becoming 'famous' of the back of this video. It was only released a couple of day's ago so she has not reached the mainstream media quite yet. I give it a week or so.

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squeakytoy · 14/04/2011 13:53

I find the current attitude of being desperate to be famous at any price, no matter how much you demean yourself and lose your integrity and dignity is very sad.

It seems to be more prevalent in the rap culture too.

I admit I do like some of the music, but more the earlier stuff, Dre/Eminem, and am old enough to take the lyrics with a pinch of salt... but too many kids hear the lyrics and DO take them seriously.

cantspel · 14/04/2011 13:53

yes it is but if you put up a youtube video protraying yourself as a slag then dont be offended if someone uses the word about you.

He wouldn't use the word normally and i did ask him to tell me what was his first thoughts on hearing the video without fear of me telling him off for his lanuage.

PelvicFloorsOfSteel · 14/04/2011 13:54

It's awful but it will almost certainly make her famous. If she had an exceptional voice or was more talented at thinking of witty lyrics she probably wouldn't need to go for the shock value.

Kallista · 14/04/2011 13:54

I grew up listening to rap / r'n'b which can be sexist but we all know that. I used to go to UK garage clubs with amazing british MCs. There have been some very good female artists both US and UK. But - i hate it when young women have no self-respect; it's one thing to talk about enjoying sex but there is nothing IMO empowering about being used like a piece of trash by men who think of you as an object. This artist is naive if she can't see that.

SomethingSuper · 14/04/2011 13:55

Ooo pleease stop using it! It a word men who hate women use - women saying makes me feel all odd Smile

FoofffyShmoofffer · 14/04/2011 13:55

If that was my daughter I would be heartbroken for her that this is the way she feels she needs to be/act/see herself.

< runs down to Boots for more cotton wool to wrap the kids in >

Goblinchild · 14/04/2011 13:56

It is a horrible word, but what does it mean?
www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=slag

So he is correct. I find rap and a lot of the associated genres vile beyond words and am delighted that neither of my children or their friends have any interest in it. I see no merit in the lyrics, the lifestyles or the attitudes on display.

SomethingSuper · 14/04/2011 13:57

Well this is the things isnt it - the idea of being overtly sexual and ever-available being sold as empowering. You end up with young women who see no value in themselves apart from as a vagina.