To wonder what everyone's reaction's are to OG NIKI and her proclamation?

[LDNmummy]

Really interested to know what people think about this. There has been a lot of talk about how people would react if it was their daughter or family member.

For those who don't know the back story, this is about a 17 year old girl who MC's (raps) from Birmingham. She has been an instant internet hit in the last couple of day's but for all the wrong(?) reasons.

Niki has made a grime (grime is a genre which can probably be defined as an original British rap style) tune about having sex with 6 guys at once and cites that everyone has been 'in her' since she lost her virginity at 16.

She is actually skilled as an MC but there is raging debate about her lyrics and attitude toward sex.

Personally I have grown up as part of the urban generation that listen's to grime music and find that it has it's good points and bad points like all genre's. But, with a very recent video by a mainstream grime artist featuring actual sex scene's (actual pornographic material) and now this, I do feel it is taking a nosedive. But I am not here to ask about the genre (just sad that this is coming out of it), more interested in what people would feel if this was their daughter. She say's her mother knows and does not care!

There seems to be a divide in opinion with some saying she is just being honest and making her claim to fame which is effectively working, and others are saying saying this is no way to get fame and she is degrading herself immensely.

Is this really a reputable way to fame these days? Has music sunk to this level of 'sex sells'?

: Please be aware that this link contains explicit lyrics

whooo where did you get that from?
i never use the word slag, cunt or fuck in everyday life or in front of my children. I do swear but my swear word of choice is bollocks. I am not so foolish to believe my sons never swear but they dont do it in front of me or any other adult..

We will have to differ on whether i am corrupting my son by showing him that clip but as it is in the public domain and you dont even have to be signed in to youtube to view it as an over 18 i think he is perfectly able to see and dismiss it for what it is.

If she were my daughter, I'd consider myself to have failed. A lot.

his opinion is a valid one as it is his age group that is drawn into this sort of thing. I would be a lot more worried if my son though she was cool and wanted to be part of her scene.

She is not trying to appeal to or break into a mainstream audience now is she.

At first I was shocked....then I thought....if men can write raps about fucking loads of women...then why can't she?

Yes...she's young....but she's old enough to marry and join the army. So who says she's not old enough to know what she's doing with regards to her body in a sexual way?

cantspel I think people are offended by the use of the word slag more than your DS's opinion....if he thinks it's wrong then fine...let him say that her choices are bad....labeling girls as slags is BAD. It just is and as his Mother you have the responsibility to teach him that.

AND another point generally....women on MN are always SO keen to claim that women should be able to enjoy no strings sex....and that is meant to be fine....but it's not ok for a woman to sing about her experiences apparently.

Odd.

As I said previously, my DD and friends have used slag between themselves as a unisex term for someone who is sexually indiscriminate and prolific in their choices.
So is it the label you are objecting to, or the fact it was applied to a woman in this case?
What word would you suggest as a term teenagers could use to express how they feel about an individual, either female or male?

I agree, she's being sexually abused and thinks it's liberating. Which is wrong on so many levels.
But other girls may see her stance as admirable and boys may take it as validation to behave in abusive ways. I'd rather a boy looked and listened and thought 'No way'

And I hope to god that no other girls think 'Wow!'

But then i am not one of those women who think it is a good choice to have no strings sex whether it me a man or a woman having it.

I want my boys to grow up to have good and heathy sex lives but i want them to be having that sex with someone they care about and who cares about them.
I dont want them to see women as a hole to poke no matter how willing to be poked the woman is.

Whatever happened to having respect for yourself?

dittany.....those were lyrics....she's not exactly displayed herself DOING these things has she? I suspect she's had a lot of sex...maybe with more than one man....she certainly doesn't look "broken" in any way to me. There is an interview on Youtube with her and I would describe her as smart and excitable...she in no way apears victim-like.

She is 17...one year from 18....she is old enough to consent....your idea of having sex with 6 men may be horror....but some women DO like sex with moe than one man at a time.

I dunno man, on the one side i was looking at it from the musical point of view and she was riding the beats well and she was staying within the para,eters of her genre in remit of her verse, on the other hand, i was thinking it was so damn sad that a girl of her age thinks that to make herslef known in the rap game she has to have "a hook" and hers is going down the lil kim road

there are pleany of girls out there riding the grime tip and thi isnt the worst by far, but, do i find it disheartenting as a parent of an only girl that this is the ONLY way she can make a mark...yeah, i do....and believe me, i understand grime at its murkiest heart! :D

cantspell...I don't either...it's not for me (unatached sex) but I respect that for some women it IS the way for them. That is allowable.

kingbeat good points...but it's not the only way she can make a mark...it's the way she's chosen to. And nobody has forced her...she's 17 not stupid.

To those who think she isn't broken in some way go read her facebook page. There is also a sex tape floating around the internet of her.

Would you like your child to be filmed by 2 blokes being told to display herself for the camera? And she didn't look like she was having a great mutually enjoyable sexual experience

She has made art out of what she knows...about what she has experienced...good or bad she has made some art based on her life.

How many people can say they have done that?

exactly, not stupid....but disheartening...that she feels she can make that mark...me, i made other ways....dunno

the thing i dittany, i bet she wont for ages, and then onyl once she realises what the implications are will she start to think, for now, i bet its a nrom, it was for me..

dittany yes, sounds like rape to me too. Nothing came of it though. Boys will be boys