To wonder what everyone's reaction's are to OG NIKI and her proclamation?

[LDNmummy]

Really interested to know what people think about this. There has been a lot of talk about how people would react if it was their daughter or family member.

For those who don't know the back story, this is about a 17 year old girl who MC's (raps) from Birmingham. She has been an instant internet hit in the last couple of day's but for all the wrong(?) reasons.

Niki has made a grime (grime is a genre which can probably be defined as an original British rap style) tune about having sex with 6 guys at once and cites that everyone has been 'in her' since she lost her virginity at 16.

She is actually skilled as an MC but there is raging debate about her lyrics and attitude toward sex.

Personally I have grown up as part of the urban generation that listen's to grime music and find that it has it's good points and bad points like all genre's. But, with a very recent video by a mainstream grime artist featuring actual sex scene's (actual pornographic material) and now this, I do feel it is taking a nosedive. But I am not here to ask about the genre (just sad that this is coming out of it), more interested in what people would feel if this was their daughter. She say's her mother knows and does not care!

There seems to be a divide in opinion with some saying she is just being honest and making her claim to fame which is effectively working, and others are saying saying this is no way to get fame and she is degrading herself immensely.

Is this really a reputable way to fame these days? Has music sunk to this level of 'sex sells'?

: Please be aware that this link contains explicit lyrics

I agree with you Kallista. Personally I have a big issue with rap after the early noughties because i think it has been steadily going further down that mysogynistic route than ever before. But now this turn in the British Garage (rap) scene is too much for me.

He normally wouldn't get away with calling anyone a slag but if i asked his honest opinion then i cant complain when i got his honest answer.

And his opinion is the valid one as it is his age grup who will be listening to this stuff.

Sorry SS, but slag is apt description of anyone who allows her body to be used like that.

I too would be mortified if a daughter of mine was singing such degrading lyrics, but sadly some mothers can only see the opportunity for a bit of money and five minutes of fame.

some thoughts on slut shaming

And how much society accepts hatred of women as normal.

what a load of codswallop

Sometimes I could weep at the idea of trying to keep my two little girls safe from men who think this stuff is ok.

But then, if I'd had boys, the challenge would be for them to not fall for this stuff. I don't know which would be harder?

I find womens' hatred and disdain for other women utterly perplexing.

This poor girl is too young to realise that people will be judging her negatively and that stuff on the net will be around for ever. She will live to regret this when she is in her 30's and maybe has a husband and a child of her own who could see this.

I think that under 18s should be protected and there should be some sort of bar on having stuff like this being put on the net because they are not emotionally mature enough to know what's in their own best interests.

If she was mine, she'd be packed off to a convent because I would have clearly failed to parent her properly.

"what a load of codswallop"

Care to expand on that?

Oh and rap used to be a musical outlet to voice political opinion. The earlier rap tunes used to talk about the condition of minority people in Harlem during its serious drug problems post the Vietnam War for instance. I think this makes this all the sadder. I do find that rap for me is one of the most mysogynistic genre's now and have had fierce debate with my DP about it in the past (he now acknowledges this ).

I do wonder if for a woman to be successful in music now, especially rap, she has to be a sexually charged nympho all the time.

I think it's a flash in the pan. I think she is seeking notoriety (and has chieved it) and she will be forgotten next week. I don't think it is representative of teens today.

I don't think we need to clutch our pearls yet.

I'd feel the same way if it was my son, nothing to do with the gender of my children and more about valuing themselves as human and of value for more than their sexual availability to all comers.

She openly admits her father is furious about this but also states she doesn't care any more about what he thinks than anyone else. It only seems to be her mother who approves/ is indifferent

Given that she is still a minor, could he not get it removed from youtube?

You move in different circles to my teenagers SGM, they and their friends use the term slut without being gender-specific.
So to be indiscriminate is not seen as a good or respectful choice for either sex.

She is 17 and all her claims seem to be from the age 16 onwards so I don't think it violates any rules. Youtube might take it down if they find the content to explicit though.

'More than likely, he'd be rewarded for his 'sexual prowess'. '

Rewarded by whom? He chooses his friends better than that. Most of them think with their brains, even the males.

Stewie not all would view it that way and in my sons social circle boys who cheat or put it about a bit are viewed just as badly as girls do.

But i accept some would treat the whole thing differently with a lot of back slapping for the boy.

Well, thank heaven's there's at least one other parent of a boy who isn't a lust-fuelled sexual conqueror.

shineon i have already explained i asked for his honest view. I am not going to bollock him for then giving it. I dont think he needs educating as if she is behaving like a slut then it cant be wrong when someone views her as such.

Would you have preferred him to have expressed voracious enthusiasm for her attitude?