To wonder what everyone's reaction's are to OG NIKI and her proclamation?

[LDNmummy]

Really interested to know what people think about this. There has been a lot of talk about how people would react if it was their daughter or family member.

For those who don't know the back story, this is about a 17 year old girl who MC's (raps) from Birmingham. She has been an instant internet hit in the last couple of day's but for all the wrong(?) reasons.

Niki has made a grime (grime is a genre which can probably be defined as an original British rap style) tune about having sex with 6 guys at once and cites that everyone has been 'in her' since she lost her virginity at 16.

She is actually skilled as an MC but there is raging debate about her lyrics and attitude toward sex.

Personally I have grown up as part of the urban generation that listen's to grime music and find that it has it's good points and bad points like all genre's. But, with a very recent video by a mainstream grime artist featuring actual sex scene's (actual pornographic material) and now this, I do feel it is taking a nosedive. But I am not here to ask about the genre (just sad that this is coming out of it), more interested in what people would feel if this was their daughter. She say's her mother knows and does not care!

There seems to be a divide in opinion with some saying she is just being honest and making her claim to fame which is effectively working, and others are saying saying this is no way to get fame and she is degrading herself immensely.

Is this really a reputable way to fame these days? Has music sunk to this level of 'sex sells'?

: Please be aware that this link contains explicit lyrics

Dittany I soppose though it's a GOOD thing that she's out there...making shock waves...the girls today are under such imense pressure..it has to leak out a bit and art and music (even if Grime is not your thing) are the best outlet....do we seem like those horrified parents in the 70s when Punk frst appeared?

suppose not soppose!

Ok, the saddest thing i heard today was a pair of teenage girls talking about thier bra size (i work in fashion retail) and one sying to theother that she was "too fat for normal" sizes...at 15??? really? she was in no way fat or o/w but she cetainly felt that way...when i approached it with my staff member she reminded me of how i felt when i w thier age and i cartainly had thier mind set that i wasnt an ideal.....now i see i was u/w but body dismorphia prevented me from seing it.

this girl here is seeking some kind of recognition and admiration for her lyrics but has no idea of the impact that it will have on future generations for the younger women coming up....never, in any other industry, have i en such a need to surpass the mans role as i have within the music industry.

its intersting for me, as there are a few women on here whos voice i repect dittany, youve helped me recenty more than you could know, SGB fir making me feel less of a freak and SGM for being there.....(sounds like an oscar but...) all of you are here on this thread feeling equallyas torn....

. definitely marking place

dittany....I'm a Feminist, I'm not as learned as you nor as well read on the subject but I am a Feminist.

I've choked on cocks and quite liked it and I was not yet 18 either. There. I've said it.

Ok...I never had a gangbang...not ever...but I am quite attracted to the idea (probably wouldn't act on it...but in terms of fantsy...and I am sure you could probably tell me why.....but I'm not that interested, what I AM interested in is youth culture, feminism and the arts...especially theatre.

people like OG Niki challenge society in so many ways...preconceived ides about girls are challenged right away....as soon as you hear her....she's broken a rule which school age girls WILL NOT break...that of admitting to being a "slag" a "Whore" whatever offensive term the boys and girls call girls in order to keep them in their place...she's taken it back....she says "Yes...I have done all of thse things and so fucking what?"

If it floats his boad Dittany then why should he not write about it?

You asking me how I could like something which is admitedly a not-too-common sexual moire....is like saying "Why do you ike mustard and I don't"

Because I just do.

She does challenge a lot though Dittany....otherwise the net wouldn't be humming and buzzing about her like it is.

"If you've ever read porn it's full of shit about the woman" yes Dittany...usually written by men!

As for explaining the cock thing...if you don't get it you don't get it...and this isn't about my sexual preferences.....it's about why it is ok for young men to boast about sex but NEVER ok for young women to.

I want to be clear that I dont advocate promiscuity particularly...but I'm not going to call that girl "broken" or pity her.

Because you assumed that choking on cock is automatically bad.

Many women and men like to be dominated during sex and this can involve some forms of mild asphxsia....is that un-feminist of me? Or not "allowed"?

The thing is 'slut-shaming' is definitely one of the major tools of the patriarchy - this idea that it's possible for a woman to have 'too much' sex and 'too many' sexual partners. I would hope that Niki performed that song as a big two fingers up to those who think that women's sexual choices should be policed by other people, whether those other people are rushing to label her as a bad person, or as a victim.

That is my hope too Springchicken....

Wow this has moved on so much! Thanks for your opinions guys because I was confused as to what to think myself at first. The more liberal woman in me was thinking similarly to SGB but the more, I don't know how to put it, modest (?) part of me was not sure about that. EricNorthmansMistress summed up my final thoughts very well with this:

"Whilst I agree with SGB's stance on women and sexuality most of the time, in this case I must disagree. OG Niki is 17 years old and seems to think that she's doing something very subversive and shocking by having lots of sex, multiple partners and rapping about it. Each generation thinks they invented sex don't they! The saddest thing, for me, is that she doesn't shock or surprise me at all - I know of lots of young women who have this kind of sex and without exception it doesn't come from a good place. At 17 you are just learning, discovering and developing confidence. How can anyone possibly think that a 17yo is confident, experienced (in life, not sex) and rounded enough to be genuinely seeking this sort of sex life because it's a real choice?"

I learned through a friend (as this is very much a hot topic) that Niki herself released this song because the video of her having sex with the 6 guys was leaked last year and she has already faced a lot of torment over it so felt she had nothing to loose. She seems to contradict her stance by now stating that she isn't 'like that' anymore and is now 'hard to get' IYSWIM. To me that means that she definitely had already faced a lot of criticism so was not scared to talk about this so publicly but then that this is a very shameless way of promoting herself based on events from a year ago while denying she has that character, meaning she must feel it as a negative thing in some ways.

Whatever the case, I just think it is shocking for me that a 17 year old girl jumped from loosing her virginity at 16 to having sex with six guys and taping it 6 months later.

Whatever happens, I wish her well as one woman to another young woman.

Seems like a child to me iyswim. Something very sad/pathetic about her.

Still needs better production, mind.

Why does everyone think that what she´s saying is true?

I think the women choking on penis issue is due to conditioning from porn in which women are portrayed as finding enjoyment from choking on a regular basis. I don't doubt some women do, but in porn films it is put forward as a norm as opposed to something enjoyed by a small minority. The problem is that porn is classically made by men, more women should make porn. I think that sort of sexual activity should be highlighted as a fetish type speciality instead of shown as part of what women seek in sexual fulfillment generally.

Yes I agree with those who point out her age as a factor into identifying why this is wrong. At 17 I remember thinking and feeling as if I was in control, but when I look back now, I see I was not and was immature on many levels.

diddl I know girls who have done things like this before but will not tell stories of particular instances. Apparently it is common knowledge in that age group in her social circles that she had a sex tape released last year. She states it as the reason she felt she had nothing to lose, because she had already faced bullying about this issue.

Dittany I agree, it is a violation and a sexual assault.

"This is what the pornified generation look like."

Couldn't agree more dittany, this is so true.