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Emailing and children

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scatterbee · 18/03/2011 08:48

Again after advice for my partner.

He is the NRP. He wants to set up an email address for his DC (5 & 7) so that they can email each other. He wants this private from his ex if possible. Also wants them to be able to instant message each other / web cam / skype if him and the DC are on at the same time.

She thinks hes unreasonable. That expecting them to email is daft. And that she has no objection to trying to webcam but it needs to be a set time, and its likely to be a brief moment before they race off, and she is not willing to have a webcam left on so he can see what they are playing / generally doing as thats an invasion of her house.

So Is he unreasonable?

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SugarPasteFrog · 19/03/2011 23:33

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itisnotgoingwelltoday · 19/03/2011 23:33

SugarPasteFrog - me too Grin

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itisnotgoingwelltoday · 19/03/2011 23:36

Your current partner needs to get a proper job that pays actual wages instead of living off you.

If I read the thread correctly you work in animal rescue and the two of you live in a house that comes with your job.

At the age of 30 he is a university drop out who is now sitting on the computer all day doing geeky "stuff" for a pound or two here and there.

He needs a job in McDonalds, the Spar, where ever that pays a wage every week.

So he can pay for his kids and pay you for his bed and board, if he's going to stay there.

If it was me I'd be getting him to move out.

But I'm old. And hard as nails when it comes to my kids. He's not good for your relationship with your daughter. For me that's a no brainer

scatterbee · 19/03/2011 23:37

different He is a contributing factor i know that,but its not all his fault. His ex has been very manipulative, not just with him, but also with my ex. I think she would prefer him to disappear, she has the youngests bio dad involved now and also her new DP.

He shouldnt give up because they dont responsd, but he gets so down about it, thats why im trying to think of an interaction he can have which will work. I will not let him walk away from his DC. They need him.

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itisnotgoingwelltoday · 19/03/2011 23:39

Scatterbee - his DC's need him, yes, agree.

"I will not let him walk away from his DC" - not your decision, not your choice, that's up to him.

You need to stop taking his life on as your responsibility. It isn't up to you. It's up to him.

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itisnotgoingwelltoday · 19/03/2011 23:41

Sugarpaste - again!

This man is never going to take responsibility is he?

And as long as the OP is on the scene she is always going to make excuses for him to the detriment of her relationship with her own child.

I honestly don't think I can be on this thread much longer - it's the cyber equivalent of banging my head against the wall.

And I have a headache lol

scatterbee · 19/03/2011 23:43

its and sugar im going to bed now, didnt want you to think id just disappeared off without trying to take on board what people have said. Thanks for your replies. I will be back tomorrow.

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scatterbee · 19/03/2011 23:45

I know you are right. He should be doing forhisboys what i do for DD. But its hard you know? Ive looked after him for so long now, and as i said i gave it up for him. I do love him. I must.

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FabbyChic · 19/03/2011 23:46

Buy the 7 year old a cheap mobile phone, put credit it on it monthly, your boyfriend can use that to contact the eldest child. But make sure first with his ex that she is happy for that to happen. Then he can text the eldest child.

Assuming the youngest is not his, is it not inconceivable that the real father will want to be known by the child as his father? If that is the case it is too confusing for the child to have two fathers.

Some thought has to be given to the children here, not just your partner.

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FabbyChic · 19/03/2011 23:53

I think the OP has enough to contend with without people trying to tell her the relationship is doomed.

They are both going through trying times, she is trying to support her partner and wanted advice on how best to proceed, what she did not ask for was having to give a blow by blow recital of her entire relationship.

It's no one elses business.

pebbles1972 · 19/03/2011 23:57

scatterbee Sat 19-Mar-11 23:45:51
I know you are right. He should be doing forhisboys what i do for DD

which is what exactly? Because you've both neglected your kids from what you've posted Confused I make no apologies for my stance that no matter if it meant me living in a gutter, there is no way I would abandon my child. It's unnatural for a mother to do so, IMO.

DitaVonCheese · 20/03/2011 00:07

OP, you haven't screwed up your whole life, you have just made a bit of a mess of this small part of it, and it's fixable :)

usedtobeyoung · 20/03/2011 00:57

Scattterbee
I have worked in a contact centre for a few years.
Last year during the snow there were four contacts arranged that day, one father arrived from Northern Ireland (I work in London), one from Huddersfield one locally and one phoned to say he couldn't make it because his girlfriends car had broken down the night before.
I can tell you that the report about that particular Father to the Court did not say he was ready for contact to move forward.
Good luck with reestablishing a relationship with your daughter.

Hatesponge · 20/03/2011 01:17

I think the OP has been given far too hard a time tbh. As well as the dissection and slating of her relationship, which is unwarranted, there's the criticism of her parenting. Lots of posters banging on about how leaving (or that much more emotive word, abandoning) your child makes you a shit parent. So what exactly are parents meant to do when a relationship breaks down? Stay together for the sake of the children? Hmm. Because the alternative is that one parent has to leave. And frankly, unless that parent does so without a backward glance, or any subsequent attempt at contact, I don't think they have abandoned their child, or that it should be referred to in those terms.

I would feel very sorry for any mother or father NRP reading this thread and all the comments about what shit parents they are for leaving a child.....

I also find all the brouhaha over payment or otherwise of maintenance, and being drunk in charge of children faintly ridiculous. WRT maintenance, not everyone is entitled to maintenance, I earn 10x what my Ex earns declares so am not entitled, nor have received, a penny. I've never used that as a reason for him not to see our DC, and wouldn't.

OP, I do agree that your priority should be re-establishing your own relationship with your DD, and keeping on with the things you already do. I do agree at this stage contact should be just the two of you, not your DP as well. You also need to reassure your DD that you're not trying to take her away from her dad, but also how much you enjoy spending time with her etc.

As to your DP, he needs to find a way to get to the fortnightly contact centre appts. I think you said this goes back to court in June - it would be good for him if he can show 3 months of proper contact between then and now, proof to the court (hopefully) that he is getting his act together.

In between contact, to some extent you're at the mercy of his Ex. She may be entirely reasonable, read his letters/emails to the DC, and it's they who are not interested in replying OR she could chuck them straight in the bin/delete them. There's no way of knowing, but your Ex has to try. If as you say he is depressed, there is a tendency to think whats the point. But perseverence is the key. Many of the suggestions made have been good ones, little daily letter or emails, could even just be pictures or cartoons, things that will entertain them and make them laugh, things they like, or have done together in the past. Children aren't good at talking on the phone at that age - but they will know and remember if their dad does (or doesnt) call them every day. Which he needs to - even if it's for 30 seconds.

differentnameforthis · 20/03/2011 01:25

He is a contributing factor i know that,but its not all his fault.

He is the only factor, op!

He screwed around & left his kids.
He stopped paying for them.
He took his name off the birth cert for one of his children
He won't see them more than once a month (and seemingly only then because you make him)
He won't make any effort to see them more, he moved away from them so he couldn't see them more, he drove drunk with them in the car, he shipped them off to relatives during an access weekend & got blindingly drunk. He can';t think of anything other than to want to set up a secret email account & a webcam? Really?

All his fault. I am not surprised his ex is getting manipulative, tbh. She is trying to protect her kids from this as best she can.

What is he really trying to do to make this work?

KatieMiddleton · 20/03/2011 01:27

This is surely a wind-up? It is literally unbelievable that someone would leave their family for OW, find out one of the children wasn't his, move away and not pay maintainence, drink drive with children in the car... oh and OW has left her daughter behind too.

And then they both bleat about how it is all somebody else's fault contact isn't working out!

What a load of old tosh.

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WinterOfOurDiscountTents · 20/03/2011 01:33

Rubbish, Hatesponge, she had an affair with an attached man, and left her home and child for him, facilitates him in his fuckwittery with his children, and makes excuses for both of them.
Man or woman, thats some shit decisions.

And you find it ridiculous that a man is slated for getting caught drunk driving with his children in the car? Hmm

GKlimt · 20/03/2011 01:36

What Fabbychic said.

Hatesponge · 20/03/2011 01:50

They both ended unhappy relationships, and are now together and apparently happy. I don't take the hardline approach re affairs tbh, they happen, and demonising those who have affairs is rather pointless. It doesn't make the OP a shit parent.

the simple act of leaving a child - whatever precipitates it- does not of itself make you a shit parent. However cosy a conclusion that may be to draw.

Re the drink driving, most people I know could have been in that situation at least once or twice, unknowingly, but as none of them were stopped who knows. He hadn't sat in the pub all day then driven home with DC in the car (if that was the case, then of course he deserves our wrath) - this was the next day. I can't think of anyone I know who hasn't at some point driven the day after a night out.
An error of judgment certainly, but one many people could also have made.

WinterOfOurDiscountTents · 20/03/2011 01:58

No it doesn't automatically make you a shit parent. Its the rest of it does that.

But have you read the thread? He got drunk at a party with them, was so late bringing them back their mother called the police, got caught drunk driving, beat up his ex's new partner, failed to turn up repeatedly for contact, doesn't pay maintenance, stopped calling them, moved away from them when he can't drive....

What more do you need to call shit parent bingo? Hmm