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OW/OM , I think they really are quite stupid .

258 replies

droves · 12/03/2011 14:28

Why would you want to have a relationship with someone , when you know you will only get at best 50% of their attention ?.

Not to mention missing out on all the nice things , like having them introduce you to their family and friends. Or being know as the girlfriend/boyfriend.

Why on earth would anyone one want to be kept secret , like a dirty secret?.

I cant understand why anyone would put up with that.

If you find out that the person you are seeing is married/has partner you get rid because they are
a) dishonest lying twat.
b) untrustworthy
c) will probably do it again when they get bored of you ,
and d) has a overblown sense of entitlement that they believe its their right to treat people so badly.

Dont buy the "but we fell in love , so its ok" line either.
Thats just stupid .
If they are decent they would split with their dp , before they make their mind up to persue someone else.
I dont believe ow/om are evil , just stupid. so aibu?.

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AlmostOverYou · 12/03/2011 23:24

Interesting thread for AIBU... Have namechanged -oviously

I was the classic "foolish" OW (I'll take foolish over stupid). I apologise if this is a confused post - I have very much compartmentalised what happened and do not think about it too much. My thoughts are therefore a bit chaotic. ANd I've had a pinot or two!

Relationship affair ended over 5 years ago. It still impacts on my life. Quite aside from the practical - I moved house, jobs etc to get away from it all - the emotional aspect. It was the closest I ever came to suicidal. Too close for comfort.

I knew he was married. I knew him for about 4-5 years before we began an affair and over that time we became very good friends - I'd say he was one of my 2/3 best friends and so I trusted him. So I believed the shit that he told me. Of course as with all good lies it helps that they are at least 50% truth. And that he believed much of it himself. The affair happened at a real crisis point in his life - marriage going badly, career going badly etc etc I was probably flattered at being seen as being the one good thing in his life.

With regard to the hiding and getting only 50% of him. There were times that was true and times it was not. We worked together and so that gave us a huge amount in common (especially compared to his non-working wife) and why workplace affairs are such a danger. Also. we were good friends, went to lots of mutual events, his wife was very unsociable, tended not to show up so it was kind of natural that we would spend a lot of time together. I'm not one for PDA's anyway so it was just like many many workplace romances for the most part. Then there were the times that killed me - like when he and his wife went away for their 10th wedding anniversary... I never had to deal with a Christmas but I do remember not telling him when it was my birthday because I did not want to make him feel...obligated.

I knew, very vaguely, his wife. I did not like her (seemed to be mutual) and thought for some time that they were very unsuited and that he was unhappy. And to a large extent he was and their marriage is and was unsatisfactory and not one that a lot of people would settle for. On the other hand it is unhappy and unsatisfactory and very much one that a lot of people do settle for. I suppose he was dreaming of being the kind of person who did not settle but in the end he did - for a relationship that he did not really care about, a job that he hated and a life that he did not want. Was he a coward? Confused Was he honourable? Hmm

He did leave his wife and went to stay with his parents. But she was so dependant upon him. They had no children but she had given up work to start her own business but had not done so for whatever reason so did not work any more, had no family living nearby, no friends. She threatened suicide, his parents expressed their disappointment in him. He went back after a week. I cut contact so far as possible and he respected that - for a short while. Cue me moving house and jobs to get away.

I got into an affair when I believed it had a future. I got out when I realised it did not. I despise him. I despise myself. I also (prepare to be flamed) dspise his wife.

People do all sorts and believe all sorts of stupid/foolish things when they are falling in love. The Relationships board is littered with such stories. It is not any different if you are an OW. Maybe it should be. I really believed I was the kind of person who would NEVER get involved with a married man. Because of that of course I fell in to it all the harder. As WWIFN says on this board (albeit in respect of the cheating husbands), because you believe you never would you have to justify yourself all the harder - so you are soul mates, star crossed lovers (I think I would have comitted suicide to Elton John singing "Written in the Stars" - sorry gallows humour and yes, IABU for that Smile) and no-one else has ever felt like this.

I think one of the hardest points (in getting over it) was when one of my friends began a relationship with a married man. I was so angry - she was so cavalier and after she had seen what I went through! And then I had to listen to her saying aloud all the stupid shit that I had felt and believed to be so unique Sad

You make an interesting point about RL. Most people I know (beyond acquaintances) in RL know about me being an OW. I had to tell my friends becuase it nearly destroyed me. I met nothing but sympathy from my RL friends. If your only knowledge of the world was mumsnet you would think that people routinely disowned their friends if ever they found out that they were having an affair. People in RL seem to see shades of grey much better. I don't talk about this much these days but did recently confess my OW past to a new bunch of friends. Some were clearly shocked. Most were openly supportive but some quiet and presumably disapprovind but still - none have disowned me or treated me any differently after the end of the conversation.

More wine...

Vallhala · 12/03/2011 23:25

droves, possibly that's a part of it, yes. On the flippant side you cou;d say that unlike a single man it's not in his interests to complain about me staying at a male friend's house for the weekend/what time I get in/what colour I paint my walls/how I raise my children/whether I bring another German Shepherd home. I like the fact that I don't ever have to answer to anyone.

macdoodle · 12/03/2011 23:31

amlostoveryou, my XH's OW clearly despises me, she of course only has his say so on what kind of person I am and how I behaved, and of course he is a proven liar. I am 4/5yrs down the line, and I honestly could not care anymore, though no doubt the lies/betrayal/hurt have changed the person I am forever.
It has changed the kind of person I am, and had a huge effect on my DD1. I am sorry but the kind of person who could knowlingly get involved in that kind of situation is not someone who I would wish to know. So while I do feel sympathy for you and you are clearly still hurting, I still think your post reeks of mememe, and I think underlying everything, an OW/OM is inherently an utterly selfish/self absorbed person, who can only see things through their own eyes.

Vallhala · 12/03/2011 23:32

There are a heck of a lot of different types of OW. Like Almost I went into it with eyes wide open, knowing he was married. I didn't however want him for my own and still don't. He's been totally upfront, he has always made it clear that he wouldn;t leave his wife for me. He's never tried any of the old, "My wife doesn't understand me, I don't sleep with my wife any longer" crap and I wouldn't have believed him if he had - I'm not a young, naive dreamer on that score.

Sure, there are the foolish OW out there who believe all that rubbish and the men who tell 'em it, but we're not all like that. :)

Vallhala · 12/03/2011 23:33

Sorry, I should have added that my last post was to droves, wrt her seeing why people become the OW.

macdoodle · 12/03/2011 23:34

Valhalla, do you honestly think that if it all came out, there would not be some serious hurt and anger to deal with, or do you really just not care about anyone else but yourself??

Hatesponge · 12/03/2011 23:37

Almostoveryou, I could have written a lot of your post. I also agree wrt the reactions I've had from friends in RL, almost all sympathetic to me at the time and since, and certainly none overtly disapproving.

scottishmummy · 12/03/2011 23:37

imo the emotional unavailability is bigger and lying. is the flaw

no rule book says couples be joined at hip and horay to that.but integrity and honesty in your status to each other is pivotal in relationship,and fancy piece will always be compromised.and 2nd choice

AlmostOverYou · 12/03/2011 23:40

Macdoodle: of course it "reeks of mememe" - the point was to explain some of the thinking of an OW. And I was accepting and pointing out the foolishness of the type of OW like me. As far as despising his wife goes - I am slightly less dependant upon his view as I did know her somewhat and knew a lot of people who knew her. But in part it is undoubtedly a defence mechanism. I should despise him more than her.

I'm very sorry for what you went through. But you make my point that people in RL are (in my experience) much less black and white.

Vallhala is of course right. There are as many kinds of OW as there are women entering into any relationship. I'm not sure why it is that people think they can be categorised so easily.

HalfTermHero · 12/03/2011 23:45

The OW/OM might just be enjoying the sex/deception/fling/fun etc whilst they continue searching for The One. No reason whatsoever to assume that OW/OM has any serious intent towards the relationship, iykwim. They might well be involved in other casual relationships aside from the affair with your dh, lol.

macdoodle · 12/03/2011 23:52

lol Hmm nice

HalfTermHero · 12/03/2011 23:57

You can't judge a book by the cover- that is all I am saying. It is pretty blinkered of OP to assume that the motivations of all OW/OM are exactly the same.

scottishmummy · 13/03/2011 00:04

isnt about book covers.about shagging someone else dh

HalfTermHero · 13/03/2011 00:09

or doing a dw!

scottishmummy · 13/03/2011 00:12

if hes not solely with you-you don't matter enough.and no oh and ah about difficult circumstance/children/timing cuts it.

HalfTermHero · 13/03/2011 00:17

Just to be clear, I am not an OW and do not have an OM.

But when I was young I (and tbh, most of my colleagues) had plenty of casual carry on. T'was a work hard, shag hard mentality. T'was long before we all settled down though.

scottishmummy · 13/03/2011 00:28

i do understand global you,not specific you HTH

HalfTermHero · 13/03/2011 00:30

Thank goodness for that, I thought this was going to melt down and I would have to remind you 'words on a screen', lol Grin

scottishmummy · 13/03/2011 00:31

blibber blabber about folly of fancy piece status

HalfTermHero · 13/03/2011 00:33

The frought fumblings of a fornicator Grin

scottishmummy · 13/03/2011 00:38

adulterous alliteration always abounds on such threads

HalfTermHero · 13/03/2011 00:44

Too true. :-)

fedupofnamechanging · 13/03/2011 08:13

Vallhala, Your man won't leave his wife because he doesn't want to lose shares/pension rights, is deceiving his wife (unless he's told her outright, then you can't assume she knows), but is still sleeping with her.

I'm struggling to work out why he is such a catch.

I get what you say about liking your independence and not having to accommodate what someone else wants to do of an evening, but can't help thinking that you are fooling yourself here. He's getting his cake and eating it too, you are getting sex, but not love and 50% of a liar and a cheat.

Do you really not want to meet someone to whom you are the most important person in the world?

NinkyNonker · 13/03/2011 08:36

I don't think you are being unreasonable. I'm surprised and a little saddened at some of the reactions on here.

NinkyNonker · 13/03/2011 08:49

Beautifully written post AlmostOverYou.

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