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to think my neighbours should NOT have had a NYE party?

248 replies

wolfhound · 01/01/2011 09:14

We live in a terrace. Our neighbours (a lovely couple whom we get on with) went away for New Year. Their son (in his 30s, lives 300 miles away) had a party in their house (with their permission). Thumping loud music till 4am.

We have a 3yo, a 1yo and I'm pg. Party woke up 1yo twice, we got no sleep, and then up at 5.30am with kids.

I realise that many people will feel it's only one night a year. But it's our night too. We wanted a quiet night in (after an exhausting Xmas hosting family) and then to have a nice family New Year's Day. I think that you shouldn't have loud parties if you've got shared walls (every room in our house borders theirs). Go out - there's plenty of places for the young & single to go.

Am thinking of how to make it clear to parents that it was too much for us, and shouldn't be repeated (same happened last year but we didn't complain because we'd just moved in & didn't want to sour relationship). Still, obviously, want to keep good relationship with them, and I know they adore their son & think he can do no wrong, so got to be carefully worded.

Wondering how many people think we are justified, and how many not. My first AIBU post, so donning thick skin now...

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NancyDrewHasaClue · 02/01/2011 08:49

YABU.

It was an annual party that was noisy. On NYE. Hardly the last bastion of entitled anti social behaviour.

2rebecca · 02/01/2011 09:04

We live in a semi and I've never lived in a detached house as an adult. I've rarely had trouble from neighbours.

2rebecca · 02/01/2011 09:07

I live in Scotland. Our street was quiet all night, the centre of town was heaving, most people in party mood seemed to be out.

Laquitar · 02/01/2011 11:44

Would the police really come? On NYE to ask them to turn the music down? I thought they will laugh.

chocolatesanta · 02/01/2011 12:34

The police won't ever come for noise as it's not their responsibility - you have to ring the council.

perfectstorm · 02/01/2011 13:07

The council have a noise pollution unit, they came when we had nightmare neighbours. But that was regular, all-night loud parties mid-week. Not a 4 am end party at NYE. Frankly I'd be surprised if they were interested, but perhaps I'm wrong.

Greenkit · 02/01/2011 13:31

To OP

Having a New Years party isn't a big deal, however music going on after 1pm is a big deal.

Personally I would have popped round and asked if they could possibly turn the music down after this time, saying the children were disturbed etc

Have a polite word with mum and dad on their return,and explain your concerns, keep it light and in a non confrontational way.

I really wouldnt suggest trying to out do them or tit of tat revenge.

You have to live next to them after all x

GooseFatRoasties · 02/01/2011 13:40

YANBU

onmyfeet · 03/01/2011 02:59

Consuela39, I realize that, maybe I shouldn't have posted it though, it isn't relevant, just me posting what I am thinking. We lived in an apt. building, then a townhouse for 10 years before we bought a detached.

DayShiftDoris · 03/01/2011 03:24

I repeat NEVER approach them ever... and I dont give a shit who laughs...

You NEVER really know your neighbour - add a shit load of mates to show off in front of and alcohol and it's a reciepe for disaster...

Christ my mild mannered friendly next door neighbour rang me up at 8.30pm to ask me 'What the f....ing hell is your f...king problem with me?'

I had no idea but it turned out that when the wind had blown the wheelie bin lid out of my hand at 8.30pm, 10 mins earlier she assumed that I had done it in anger because her hubby had put the bins out a day early.

She was pissed basically - was half way through a large bottle of lambrini. She threatened to knock my block of to and came round and pounded on my door when I told her to piss off and sober up.

Never approach people when they are pissed to complain ever... she was fine the next day and I have only seen her like that pissed (and thank god only at me that time!) if they seem reasonable in the morning then fine... another neighbour had a party til the early hours and then (still up!) saw me leaving for work before 8am - I came home to a bottle of wine, a card and chocolates... Now THAT is a nice, reasonable neighbour!

And yes I have a lot of neighbours - my house is attached to a block of 6 flats and I share a courtyard with them and 2 other houses... all very cosy!

AuntiePickleBottom · 03/01/2011 03:25

it is 1 night i am sure anyone can cope with 1 night disturbed sleep

DayShiftDoris · 03/01/2011 03:29

The police have always come out to that neighbour but perhaps that is because they have had to arrest the boyfriend for criminal damage (he scratched 4 parked cars on the estate) and fighting during such parties...

Tho when I lived in a different flat it was the council... actually tho my 70yr neighbour called the police once and they came out - perhaps he told them his age and was worried for his safety? He was the toughest 70yr old in the world but he was clever to Grin and as for noise - I lived above him and he played the trombone and used to REGULARLY wake me up at 6am having sex with his girlfriend!!

DayShiftDoris · 03/01/2011 03:33

expectinscotland

The noisy neighbour of mine collapsed from an od in the hall... I thought it served him right too... though I did resusitate him and he didn't die.

His GF was heard in the corridor spouting about the bruises the ambulance crew and I had left sternal rubbing to keep him breathing!

Yeah I'd take kids crying, jumping about and causing mayhem any day over that crap!

DayShiftDoris · 03/01/2011 03:36

By the way I never minded being woke by the elderly neighbour having sex and he only played his trombone in the day and he checked regularly that he wasnt disturbing me... used to look out for me he did...

Some noise is normal is what I am saying and you can live with even it's a bit cringeworthy!

Cleofartra · 03/01/2011 09:53

I don't think loud house parties that go on all night are suitable for a domestic setting - no matter what day of the year it is. If you want to hold that kind of party hire a fucking hall.

When my neighbours had an all-nighter I was tempted to knock on their door and ask them to either turn their music off or give me £200 so I could take my family to a hotel for the night so we could get some sleep. Not unreasonable I think. I wimped out of doing it though, cause by the time I'd got to the end of my tether with the noise (about 2am) there were so many pissed people at the party I didn't think a confrontation was wise.

wolfhound · 03/01/2011 10:15

Spidookly, Riven, Evildead, Chocolatesanta & MrsNonSmoker - please come and live in my street anytime. I love you :)

I think posters are split into two camps. One who believes that everyone should have the right to live peacefully in their own home at all times. That's me. And the other, who believes that everyone has the right to do as they like in their own home, whether or not that impacts on neighbours.

I don't mean to imply that those of you in the second camp think that it's okay to have noisy parties all the time. I accept what many of you (purepurple, Mrsschadenfreude, valhalla etc. say - that 'it's only once a year'. And I can, or course, live with that. But, without making it a life-or-death matter, I still think that loud music till 4am once a year is unreasonable. I don't think it's unreasonable to have a party in your house (in fact 2 of our neighbours' other non-resident children had parties in the same week - but parents didn't go away, music wasn't loud, and party finished at a reasonable time). We were completely fine with that.

So rudolf, I don't expect him to cut his party short because I'm pg. I expect him to cut it short/turn it down because I am a human being who lives next door. The fact I have small children and am pg should perhaps make him more considerate, but if I was single, I still deserve to sleep in my own home.

rockinrobin, ewe, hatesponge etc. - it seems to me more unreasonable that my whole family should have to go somewhere else for the night, than that his party should be restrained. We have no family nearby, and taking very small children elsewhere - where? a hotel? - for a night is hardly the recipe for sleep. It's our home. We live in a residential area on the edge of a town - lots of pubs/bars/clubs only 15mins walk away. I think that those who want to party loudly all night are well-served there.

laquitar - no, I don't have parties at home. Friends round sometimes yes, but not loud music to late hours. I don't agree with your point that I don't work. I do work. I worked (in my job) all day on NYE, and I worked (taking care of kids) all day on NYD. I am entitled to a night's sleep in between.

Skyswept and others. I take your point that our small children may be audible next door. As I said in my previous post, I do ask neighbours about that every so often and have been told there's no problem. If there is, I'd do what I can about it. In our previous house, we asked our neighbour who said he could hear our newborn crying at night sometimes. I realised that the nappy change area was right against his bedroom wall - so moved it and neighbour was happy. He was a big DIY fanatic, & sometimes woke baby up from naps with DIY, but always stopped making noise before 8pm, so we both felt the other was making concessions.

Sorry, very long post, but wanted to respond to people. Hope I have not misrepresented anyone's views. In case anyone's interested in outcome, I have mentioned the lateness/loudness/impact on us in an email to parents. I take bicnod's and others' views that email is easily misconstrued. But neighbours and I tend to communicate about house-related stuff by email - in fact that's how they told us there was going to be a party. And I needed to write an email to them anyway, with details of a friend who's offering some help with something they asked about. I haven't made a big deal of it, just let them know what happened. I also said that we should have telephoned at the time, but didn't, so it's more for future info than doing anything about it.

My first AIBU post. I feel like I have completed an initiation rite...

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sunnydelight · 03/01/2011 10:37

If it were the people who lived there having the party I would say not very neighbourly but I would fall into the "once a year" camp. Because he doesn't live there I think it is totally unreasonable to disturb his parents' neighbours. We suffered from noisy party syndrome when we lived in Brighton and I have a top tip - never phone the police, phone the drug squad. They come and they shut parties down. Reasonable suspicion ...... Grin

wolfhound · 03/01/2011 11:06

Oh, final update. Got a nice email back from the neighbours (parents of chap who had party). Very apologetic, understood why we didn't call, and want to know how they can make amends. Makes me feel much better about it. I think an acknowledgement that it wasn't reasonable behaviour on his part was all that was needed (plus the implication that it won't happen again!) Will send back a friendly reply to say no need to do anything, these things happen. Happy new year all :)

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rocketleaf · 03/01/2011 11:11

Glad you got a conclusion that you are happy with and your relationship with your neighbours is not affected! Hopefully next new years eve will be one you can all enjoy.

wolfhound · 03/01/2011 11:55

Thanks rocketleaf :)

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expatinscotland · 03/01/2011 12:07

I agree, DorisDayShift. I rang the cops once because the 'party' was becoming a brawl in the corridor and outside the flat.

No way I was confronting him, he was on drugs and made no secret of that.

After that, the drug dealer left. Well, he was obviously on the run from gangs because we had them here looking for him and was later murdered in Glasgow.

The one after him OD'd at his mother's home somewhere else.

Now Tweaker's flat I can't actually get into because although it's next to us it's in the different stair. So I did ring his buzzer at 2AM once and I sort of came unhinged. :o Well, actually, I think I probably sounded deranged because his fucking constant raves made me temporarily insane. He turned it off, though. Result.

I used to get drunk nearly every night and at weekends, really pour it down my throat and get stupified. But never, ever, even once believed this entitled me to visit in on the neighbours. But then, I knew I'd also be evicted and very likely arrested for doing that because it wasn't acceptable there, even once or just because it's New Year's or whatever.

Go to a pub a club or a warehouse party somewhere, ffs.

Gemsy83 · 03/01/2011 12:12

It works both ways at the end of the day. for 365 days a year people in a terraced house can hear crying babies/tantruming kids/kids getting up early playing/singing/screaming etc etc and that may cause THEM disturbance. Is that acceptable though if its your little darlings causing other people disturbance? But god forbid anyone have a life and disrupt your quiet time? Being considerate isnt all about what WE consider to be a nuisance.

mayorquimby · 03/01/2011 13:02

"One who believes that everyone should have the right to live peacefully in their own home at all times. That's me. And the other, who believes that everyone has the right to do as they like in their own home, whether or not that impacts on neighbours."

No I'd say most people realise that neither are possible or reasonable and just acknowledge that if you live in close proximity to others then compromise is needed.
For the first camp to have their way then for me to live peacefully in my own home at all times I would never hear my neighbours kids,dogs,arguments,diy,musical instruments or anyother noise above a certain decible. Listening to others crying children means that I do not have peace in my home at all times. What about childrens birthday parties? If you want peace at all times then surely these are not allowed in the family home either.
Most people realise that this is unreasonable and that these are noises which occur in life when you live near people.

I haven't seen anyone advocate the second option of "I'm in my house so I can do whatever I want at any time", because that is also obviously unreasonable.
Most people are saying that a party every now and again, in this case once a year, is an acceptable expectation of living near other people and in the same way that you'd expect your neighbours to accomodate the incidentals of your life which may encroach on their peace from time to time you must accept that they will in return encroach on your peace from time to time.

Serendippy · 03/01/2011 13:19

YABU. Your comment that you shouldn't have loud parties if you have shared walls smacks of 'if you can't afford a detatched house, you have no right to be noisy on one night of the year'. One could say the same about people who live in a house with shared walls having children, after all they cry more than one night a year on average. If you had posted that people who share your walls are constantly inconsiderate, I would have had sympathy, but 'there was noise from next door on one night' is not a problem.

wolfhound I don't agree that posters are split into 2 camps, I believe it is 3. The two you described and the extra one, the camp that believe that as long as you are usually thoughtful and considerate and you get on well with your neighbours, there is nothing wrong with making noise on one night of the year. I do not equate this with saying that everyone should be able to do whatever they like, no matter how it impacts on others.

You could have asked him to keep it down and he might have done. As you didn't, YABU. That said, hope you got an early night and are feeling better now though.

Serendippy · 03/01/2011 13:20

x posts with mayorquimby who is much more articulate! That's what I get for typing and trying to eat biscuits at the same time...