to think that size 12 isn't large?

[wussbird]

Well am I?

Just looked on seraphine.co.uk for a maternity top I saw in a magazine and they have it in small, medium and large.

The large is a size 12-14!

I am 5'11" and when I was a size 12 I would say I was definitely slim. At size 14 I was 'average' (not fat, not thin IYSWIM!). I am now a size 16 and BMI-wise am now on the edge of tipping into overweight.

Btw, I'd give anything to be a regular size 12 now I am 36 weeks pg. And when I was not pg I thought I was fat! I so wasn't. I look at my pre-pg clothes now and they look like Barbie clothes to me!

hmc: Bollocks Grace

My feet are size 6. What the hell does that tell you about my height & build?

i have size 8-8.5 skinny feet but am 9. 5 stone and a size 10.

foot size has NOTHING to do with build. maybe a connection with height, but not in my case. am 5 foot 6. almost.

i think that SOME very large women, like a friend of mine, take a size larger in shoe than their foot length would require, as they need the extra width.

it really makes me laugh this idea that somehow people with big feet are chunky. i cant buy knee high boots as they are always massive around the calf. the assumption is that size 8 feet = fat legs!!

getorfmoiland I too have long legs and narrow, size nine feet! I often look like I am wading around with a pair of canoes strapped to my feet. But I can't resist skinny jeans so have embraced my nautical shape.

Reading bits of this thread I think I'm totally kidding myself about my size! I am 5'4" and fluctuate around 9 stone - sometimes going up to 9st4 (I weigh 9st 5 at the moment but am 12 weeks pregnant)

I wear a size 8-10 (8 on the top - only a B cup, 10 on the bottom - curvy ass and thighs). Other people similar weights to me but three inches taller say they're a 10 or even a 12!! Maybe I've been squeezing myself into the wrong clothes for years!

I think 12 is basically a slim person of medium build. Not skinny, but 100% not large. Large is 18+ in my book, and there are many women who look gorgeous that size and aren't necessarily overweight.

Obviously I like it when I go under the 9stone but in general I think I'm in the lower-mid range of my healthy BMI and healthy = sexy so as long as I'm there I don't care!

I wonder how any one knows what size they are. When someone confidently says I'm a size 12, I want to know how they are so sure??

In my wardrobe I have clothes ranging in size from size 8 to 16 and they all fit, so which one am I?

It depends on which shop they came from, whether they're tops or bottoms (my size on top and bottom is very different) and what type of clothing they are.

Eg- a skimpy top from topshop I may need a 16 to ensure coverage.

A generous top from Marks and Spencer I may get a 10 as I don't want to look lost. (big norks and baggy tops not good.)

Skirts/trousers in Marks are often a size 8.

Dresses in Hobbs a 10.

Skirts in H and M a 12.

DResses in Rver Island a total no go as wont fit on top and bottom.

I do not have a 'size'. I consider the sizing of the shop I'm in, the type of garment it is, get an approximation from looking at it and take 2 sizes to try on.

Are some of really juts a '12'.

Also, if this thread is making anyone feel bad, please don't worry these threads always bring out all the skinny minnies who don't mind sharing their dimensions, if my RL is anything to go by there is a huge worried silent majority reading this.

I'm 5ft 4" and 9 1/2 stone, according to some on this thread a bit of porker, but in RL quite happy, feel good, get lots of compliments and am thought of as slim by most of my slightly larger friends.

I think we all know some perpetually thin people,who are just whisps of things but in my experience they are not usually or necessarily the most attractive people you know.

Think about your friends I bet the ones you think of as most attractive are not necessarily the thinnest. Bet you.

smiley I really think of myself as a very slim person (but not thin) and my dimensions are roughly the same as you. Do people really think that's big?! (Not read the whole thread).

I know my size because I don't buy anything over a 10 . Stupid, I know! I mainly buy clothes from New Look, H&M, Dorothy Perkins, occasionally from Jane Norman (which I do find quite small tbh). Sometimes if I've actually got any money from Oasis/Warehouse. In all of them I'm usually a 10 and an 8 if it's a dress which fits around the top but isn't tight to the bum . If it's tight all over it's a 10.

Tbh though, if I went to Next or Marks & Spencer or shops like that I would probably be an 8 as I think they usually come up bigger. And I don't think I've ever tried anything that's a 10 and too small. I don't know if that's because my body shape is reasonably conventional and my weight is relatively evenly distributed. Even with the bum I don't have any particular problem areas.

But I am 9 stone and sometimes a few pounds and 5'4" - I can't believe people think that's big!

Can I just point out that this is a picture of me at the grand height of 4'10" and size 12. So even if you are a real short arse like me, size 12 isn't fat.

You're not being unreasonable, size 12 is simply not large. Boys get it too. I'm a small when it comes to Boden, but I pop into Cotswolds and by a Fatface top and i'm suddenly a Large. I think the truth is that i'm probably quite slim compared to a lot of Port and Cheese swilling Bodenites, but a bit chubbier than your average Rockclimber come Surfer.

Lovely pic Kaloki!

kaloki wow that is one glamorous pic!

kaloki wow that is one glamorous pic!

Whoops. Don't know how that happened!

Whoops. Don't know how that happened!

Takethatlady, many on the thread, particuarly earlier on did go on about size 12 being fat, and as size 12 is one of the many sizes I am that is what I am referring to.

In RL I think I'm normal to slim, you are half a stone lighter then me so definitly slim I'd say.

Kaloki is that really you?? You're gorgeous. And your proof should end the debate!

That's really me, though I'm quite a bit larger now. I'm a size 14-16, which is fat for my height.

But 12 as "large" or "fat" unless you are under 4'10" is ridiculous!

Well size 12 is not bloomin' fat!

I'd go by BMI and general body shape rather than clothing size which is unreliable as you say. Size 12 looks gorgeous and perfect on kaloki and I'm not sure it has all that much to do with height, as she shows! If you're a petite size 12 or a tall size 12 you're still going to be of similar proportions.

I could put on a stone and a half and still be in the healthy/ideal weight range on my BMI chart. It might be different if I was skinny as a rake all over but carrying a lot of fat around my middle or something, which might not be healthy. But at 5'4" we could go up to 10st7 and be medically 'ideal' - how can that be fat?!

People are bonkers. If you're a healthy weight, and at size 12 you're most definitely a healthy weight, then you're fine :)

I'm sure you still look lovely at size 14-16 kaloki :)

I'm sure you still look lovely at size 14-16 kaloki :)

I'm a size 12 normally (currently 8 months preggers) and I'm by no means large! Everyone always tells me how lovely and slim I am [smug emoticon].

I've hardly put any weight on this pregnancy [double smug, tempered by can't-eat-tdue-to-giant-baby emoticon] and I can't even fit into the 'Large' maternity tights from Mothercare - what do ladies who actually are large do?

Fascists!

(PS, I am a size 10 in Monsoon, 12 in M&S, but 18 in Lipsy )

It is relative to height and also, how you wear your clothes. I am probably a 14 but often wear a 16 because I don't like clothes to be tight, my DSis is also (IMO) a 14 but she wears a 12 because she likes clothes tighter. I could squeeze fit into some size 12's but thats not really the look I'm going for

WHoops, that sounded really bitchy

Ooh - at 5 ft 1 I was a six to 8. After an older woman's pregnancy I was an 8 and now after middle age I'm and 8-10.

I seem sooo much larger than before but actually I feel better now (not healthier, mind) and whoever said re. 'the body' and jealousy- who would really want to be a skinny giant with no lips ffs?

I've just started a new job and there's a beautiful woman there who's probably a size 16-18. So beautiful I cannot stop looking at her with complete wonder. She's large - gorgeous, talented and just absolutely amazing looking. I'm so jealous of this 'oversised' woman when I'm at a flabby and midldle aged sized 8-10 and a short arse.

It's all relative.

There are some of us who aspire to the skinny kate moss and 'the body' (and she doesn't even have the cool Moss look) etc look, and some of use who like to look like women. I like us females to look like females.

"I am very small boned (apparently one way to measure if you are large or small boned is to put your fingers round your wrist - if they just touch you are medium boned, if you cant make your fingers touch you are large boned, if your fingers overlap you are fine boned."

I am most definitely small boned. The last time I bought a watch they had to take half the links out, yet I can only just make my fingers touch round my wrist. My wrist circumference is exactly 6 inches, but I do have small hands.