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to think women writhing around in suspenders and stockings is...

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hatwoman · 11/12/2010 20:52

...not really family viewing? I've barely watched x-factor in my life but I had thought everyone said that, for all its faults, it was something that had got families watching telly together. I was expecting wholesome boy bands and gutsy young girls. Clearly I'm naive and a prude.

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oneortwo · 12/12/2010 17:35

smallwhitecat I expect that gets harder as you go through primary school and all your DCs friends ask them who their favourites are. The parents I know who had their kids up for this are very selective about their kids watching TV but allowed them one program out of the competition ones.

I don't think banning tv all together is the answer. I think being selective and using it sparingly is. However that is made MUCH harder when the goal posts are moved like they were last night.

IMO if you ban it they'll find a mates house where anything goes TV wise to go and watch it. Better that they watch their little weekly dose of tv at home with mum and dad

MrManager · 12/12/2010 17:40

Only 20 minutes before the watershed?

spongecakelover · 12/12/2010 17:41

Did anyone see Louis' reaction after the burlesque thing? He was laughing and shaking his head lots while talking to Dannii about something. Wonder what he was saying.

YANBU.

TeiTetua · 12/12/2010 17:45

Bring back the Black and White Minstrels, that's what I say. Good wholesome stuff.

panettoinydog · 12/12/2010 17:47

yeah, what's a bit of soft porn before the watershed amongst family, hey manager

5GoldenFimbos · 12/12/2010 17:51

OK we are in Winter, I know, but whatever happened to Saturday night seaside specials? .

5GoldenFimbos · 12/12/2010 17:53

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HerBeatitude · 12/12/2010 18:02

"1. The timing of X factor performances before the watershed of 9pm

  1. Some female popstars having an effect on the whole of society by what they choose to wear/how they dance etc
  1. The above two issues being responsible for the premature sexualisation of young girls"

I am puzzled as to why you think 3. is the conclusion of 1. and 2. Amijee. Nobody has said that. People have made a much more considered, thought out argument than that. They have said that 1. and 2. contribute to a climate of premature sexualisation of young girls. That's quite a different argument than the one you're presenting. It really doesn't make a debate interesting or meaningful, if you tabloidise the arguments so that they come across as stupid.

amijee · 12/12/2010 18:42

why - are you feeling stupid?

HerBeatitude · 12/12/2010 18:45

What's the point of that question?

I deliberately didn't call you stupid because I was being polite.

color · 12/12/2010 18:51

YANBU
I can't watch some pop videos because it is far too much.
Why can't the females be allowed to wear clothes and dance rather than - better end here!

SilverSky · 13/12/2010 11:40

I thought it was priceless when Matt was being congratulated by his competitors on stage and Harry from One Direction leaned in (in full shot) and whispered (if you can lip read well..) "think of all the pussy you are going to get now".

Such lovely family viewing. Bet he gets hauled over the coals for that.

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mrskbpw · 13/12/2010 12:05

This whole thing is making me feel a bit weary. I feel sad that it's the 21st century and these amazing, talented, multi-Grammy-winning singers feel they need to perform like this.

It's not about what they wore; it's about how they performed while wearing it. Rihanna's performance was fine (although a little strange) in her undies, until she started spreading her legs and bobbing up and down. Then I felt very uncomfortable. Christina's was just a bit much. The dancers were wearing very tiny pants, standing with their backs to the camera and bending over. My friend, who I was watching it with, said: "Ooh I must remember to book my smear test."!

And Robbie Williams wore a suit.

The dancers on Strictly do wear skimpy outfits, but they don't dance like that while they're wearing them. I have issues with Strictly just because Bruce Forsyth is a presenter, actually. Would we ever see an 82-year-old woman presenting a prime-time Saturday night show alongside a 30-something man?

That quote from Christina about being allowed to do everything a man does sums it up really, because she's not allowed. If she was, she'd be able to go on tv covered up, and not simulate sex, and still be accepted. Like male singers do.

MamaMary · 13/12/2010 13:39

I, too, was appalled by the dancing.

We don't have a TV in our house, so have been blissfully ignorant of shows such as X-Factor for two years (I watch other wholesome cookery and property shows stuff on I-player).

We happened to be away for the weekend and put on the TV. It was just DH and myself watching. Rianna's routine made me feel deeply uncomfortable. By the time Christina's came on, I had to change the channel. My DH did not protest. I felt embarrased for him to be watching it to be honest as we as a TV-less couple have not been exposed to that kind of porn viewing together.

We have a DD - only a baby now - and I am deeply concerned about the sexualisation of young women and agree with the excellent points that have been made on this thread on that subject. I will be complaining to OfCom.

becstarlitsea · 13/12/2010 13:39

I have a theory that a bunch of suits were looking at ratings demographics for the X factor.

"Why are the men leaving halfway through the show?" they asked "We get more money for the ad breaks if we can get ABC1 men watching and we can see them trickling away as the show goes on."
"Perhaps because the mums are watching it with their kids, and dad gets a bit bored and goes upstairs to watch a rerun of 'Top Gear' on Dave" they surmise.
"Well, we need to keep their attention. Now, what do dads like? Hmmm... Well I'm a Dad. And I like Spearmint Rhino - we all like Spearmint Rhino, don't we? So I expect they do too. Let's put lots of dancers in suggestive clothing simulating sex acts on stage, and that will stop the Dads from leaving the room before the Renault ad"
And no-one in the room said 'Hang on a minute, isn't there a way we can attract ABC1 men to watch a family viewing show without portraying women in a stereotyped and objectified way?' because in my limited experience (I worked in tv for 10 years, but not on X factor) if you work in the media and you say things like that, they all look at you funny, then tumbleweed blows across the boardroom for a few minutes and then they carry on as if you haven't spoken. And then you don't get invited to the next meeting.

oneortwo · 13/12/2010 13:46

yeah probably

or my theory is that they were such suck ups to the big stars that they told their management that they could do whatever they wanted whenever they wanted if they'd be so kind as to come on the show.

my OH was apalled too. He likes to look at purdy ladies as much as the next red blooded male but wouldn't like to watch that sort of thing in the company of kids!

FioFio · 13/12/2010 13:48

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JamieLeeCurtis · 13/12/2010 13:48

Excellent post becstarlitsea

becstarlitsea · 13/12/2010 14:06

thank you Smile

Tryharder · 13/12/2010 14:25

RIP Mary Whitehouse

sue52 · 13/12/2010 15:55

I thought it was all a bit much. Singing in her underware did nothing to improve Rhianna's voice and Christina whatsits performance was just soft porn. It wasn't really what I expect from a show designed for all age groups.

fifitot · 13/12/2010 16:27

When did crotch shots become de rigeur for female singers? Fair enough, show your bod off a bit if it's decent but most of the 'dancing' was straight out of a lap dancing club/sex show.

BeenBeta · 13/12/2010 16:46

My wife was taking DSs to school the other day and a little boy age 4 pointed at DW and shouted across the playground 'Lady Gaga!'

DW was quite dressed up and had her make up on and her hair done with a fur hat but to this little boy any woman who dresses up is Lady GaGa. Interesting.

HerBeatitude · 13/12/2010 16:52

"Ooh I must remember to book my smear test."!

I just spluttered tea on my keyboard, dammit. Grin