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Does this email seem unreasonable?

195 replies

LittleAmy · 09/12/2010 22:56

Hi everyone.

I know I'm posting in the lions den here, but I'd appreciate your views as to whether this email to my husband seems in any way unreasonable or confrontational.

Thank you.

Can you see where I'm coming from at all?

I look after DD all through the day every working day. I exclusively breastfeed our daughter. It's demanding and exhausting.

I've got postnatal depression and I'm not coping very well. I need support to get better. You provide a lot of support and I appreciate it. I will be able to thank you properly when I am better. When you told me K was visiting I was excited. I love K. She is my favourite of your family members. I imagined we would spend some time together. I never got to see K properly last time she visited because you both went to the club so I was looking forward to finally bonding with her this time. But then I found out that you'll be spending the evening in the club again. I was very dissapointed and also frustrated by the 24 hours notice. Would it not have been possible to discuiss the plans with her last week? At least then I would have had a weeks notice to be mentally prepared. Last minute changes to plans is particularly triggering for me because I'm an anxious person.

When I went to dry my hair this evening I mulled everything over in my head to try and figure out if I was being unreasonable, rather than snap at you the moment you said it. I thought with an hour to mull over it then it wouldn't seem as bad, but the more I thought about it, the more inconsiderate your last minute plans seemed. In light of my recent mental state, specifically my struggling to look after DD for longer than 10 hours at a time, I couldn't understand why I was being left with her all day and then all evening, particularly as DD is most grumpy in the evenings. Depending on her temperment it can be a two-person job. Yet I anticipated our argument. Because me communicating my displeasure in something always ends terribly. I anticipated that you would say I hate your family because that is often said in arguments. But I hoped that my effort with your parents yesterday went at least some way to showing that I enjoy your familys company. But my making an effort with them seems to have gone unnoticed. It makes me feel sad that my efforts to bond with your family (particularly your mam) mean little to you and instead you insist that I hate them. It makes no sense to me.

Then I couldn't understand why we couldn't afford to purchase a scarf for K despite the fact that it costs £20 to go to the club for two nights. And that you expect my mam to buy it.

Most of all I'm saddened that despite my best efforts to get through the day keeping DD content and happy I had succeeded until tonight. But our poor little girl has had to watch us shouting and hitting eachother again. She is going to grow up anxious like me. I didn't want her to grow up like me. It's a horrible way to live.

We are failing our little girl. It brakes my heart, even more than your hatred for me.

When we were arguing this evening I heard you shout that it was all my fault, because I wanted children. But I was very careful to include you in the decision to have children. DD was very much planned by both of us. I don't think it helps anyone to keep mentioning that I wanted children. DD was wanted by both of us, so we're both "to blame". You are a grown man with over 40 years experience. When we coneived DD I was confident in your conviction to be a good father and I thought you genuenly wanted her. Was I wrong? It's too late for either of us to have regrets now.

I love you and I believe that you love me too. I don't think you do things like arrange nights out with malace. But it would save lots of heartache if we made joint decisions. When I am kept in the dark it makes me feel that you think my feelings are unimportant. It infantises me. It was assumed that I would be able to look after DD all day Friday then Friday evening on my own and also Sunday evening on my own. It leads me to think that you don't understand the extent of my depression. I don't know what else I can do to communicate the depth of my depression. I always thought I was quite demonstrative and transparent about it.

I would like to hear your thoughts.

x x

P.S. I've been very careful to word this email with "I feel" and "I think" rather than starting sentences with "you". I'm hoping that it will be less confrontational.

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Reality · 13/12/2010 09:35

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amijee · 13/12/2010 10:25

that's a really helpful, supportive post reality.

I hope things are good with you now x

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amijee · 13/12/2010 10:48

Well done - it's good for others to realise you can change your life.

Happy Xmas Xmas Smile

TurkeyMartini · 14/12/2010 19:51

I'm just wondering how LittleAmy is. Anyone know? I posted on her earlier threads, was thinking about her today for some reason and found this one by searching.

Hoping she and her dd are ok.

TurkeyMartini · 15/12/2010 12:02

one last bump...

LittleAmy · 19/12/2010 20:19

Hi Turkey. To be honest peoples replies scared me. They were unexpected. I was about to abandon MN for fear of being 'reported' to SS some how. I thought I'd check back one last time. It's a shame because I was going to meet up with some MN locals to help get me out of the house but now I can't because my identity will be revealed and I could be reported to SS and have DD taken away from me. I had no idea that if parents hit eachother they can loose their child! I'd heard so many stories about new mums slapping their husbands when their babies were young because they were stressed and hormonal. I didn't think that if parents hit eachother they could have their child taken away! I told this to DH but he doesn't believe me.

We had a bad argument today and in the car he punched me in the arm and leg (DD was in her car seat facing the opposite direction). After reading everyones replies to this thread I didn't fight back. I didn't shout. I just said calmly "you can hit me, shout at me and say you hate me as often as you like, as long as it's not infront of DD" then I reminded him about the replies to this thread. But he said it's bullshit. He said that the SS are too busy with proper child abuse cases. They don't have the time and resources to deal with two new exhausted parents fighting. DH said our behaviour is normal. I don't know what's normal.

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CarGirl · 19/12/2010 20:24

Errr your dh punching you is not normal on any level.

Please ring womans aid for some confidential professional advice/help.

classydiva · 19/12/2010 20:26

Your child will see this as normal behaviour. They will assume a relationship involves being hit by your partner.

Get the fuck out of that relationship, you don't deserve the child if you stay there, you don't

IAmReallyFabNow · 19/12/2010 20:30

You can not tell your husband he can hit you as much as he likes as long as your baby doesn't see!

amijee · 19/12/2010 20:33

LittleAmy - please please please get some help in the real world.

If you love your child more than anything else in the world...then please get some help.

Of course there are far worse cases of abuse than two parents squabbling and getting physical but this IS enough to get you put on the at risk register.

But your motivation to change your life should not come from your fear of social services...it should come from your precious child.

Relationships are very complex and no one really knows what goes on between two people unless they were a fly on the wall. But you owe it to your kids to stop them being the casualties of the fall out.

BelieveInLife · 19/12/2010 20:38

littleamy I rarely post on these forums but there's something about your posts that makes me feel the urge to reply.

It's in NO WAY normal for your husband, the father of your child, to punch you in the arm and leg! Neither is it acceptable to tell him he can do so "as much as he likes as long as not in front of DD"...it's not acceptable EVER!

For goodness sake get some help, please...

tomorrowsanotherday · 19/12/2010 20:42

LittleAmy you need to grow up and stop putting your husband before your baby. classydiva is right you do not deserve your child if you stay in that relationship. If you thought anything at all of your child you would leave

Littlefish · 19/12/2010 20:44

Your husband will not stop. Your dd will see and hear you being hit.

Your dd will learn that it's ok to hit in order to get your own way/humiliate/intimidate.

Please phone Women's Aid. They will talk honestly to you.

You cannot stay with this man.

iamnotreallysure · 19/12/2010 20:44

It is not normal or right for any of you. It does of course happen but as you will have read on here - if it happens once then you both make sure it never happens again - if it has happened more than once then you or he needs to leave. I am sorry it has happened to you more than once and you do not have any choice but take the advice, get support and leave or get him removed.

I am sorry that making such a major change at this time seems so scary to you - but in truth this is not about you or your DH but about your child and their safety.

Your fear should not be about losing your child to SS - but for your child and the situation they are forced to suffer.

In real and normal life (not the newspapers or the soaps) violence within marriage / relationships is completely wrong and not normal or acceptable.

tomorrowsanotherday · 19/12/2010 20:46

Im sorry if thats not what you wanted to hear but its the truth

LittleAmy · 19/12/2010 20:48

People have openly said on MN and in RL that they throw things at their husbands (one woman on another forum opendly said that she threw a stairgate at her husband!) and no one told them to leave.

If seeking help means telling someone then I could risk getting DD taken away?

The sad thing is, I knew of a local domestic violence group for women and was just about to visit them before I read the replies in this thread. Now it seems that I will be forced to brake up with my husband or loose DD if I tell anyone!

It's a good job I got the heads up from this thread just in time.

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MsKLo · 19/12/2010 20:48

tomorrowsanotherday is right, you must think of your baby

and of yourself

please get some help, do it tomorrow

if you can't do it for you - do it for your child

please

fluffygal · 19/12/2010 20:49

I am a student social worker and I can tell you your children can be taken away if there is domestic violence and you refuse to take your children out of that environment. Its called emotional abuse and can be just as damaging, if not more damaging then physical abuse.

Its about putting your childs needs first, and if you choose to stay in a violent relationship then you are putting your own needs above those of your child. You shouldn't be worrying about MN mums reporting you, you should be worrying about the effect the violence is having on your daughter.

MsKLo · 19/12/2010 20:51

fluffy

social workers can help her get out though right? she is scared and needs to know she can ask for help! where should she go? please someone who knows give her the advice she needs to do it tomorrow

TheCrackFox · 19/12/2010 20:52

Amy, you need to contact Women's Aid. It is absolutely not normal for partners to hit each other. You deserve more in life as he will get far, far worse.

You child might not see him hitting you but she is not deaf and nor is she stupid. Do you really want her growing up in this toxic atmosphere.

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amijee · 19/12/2010 20:56

LittleAmy - you have written several times about women on mumsnet writing about how they have hit their partner's when postnatal.

Am I right in thinking that issues of anger and impulse control may be yours as well as your DP's?

Please do not think anyone will take your child away because you ask for help. Talk to your GP if you think you need specialist counselling or women's aid if it is predominantly your husband that is the aggressor. I am getting the feeling it's a mixture of both and that your are fuelling each other.

It's hard to see any way forward when your self esteem is at an all time low. It's also hard to put a baby's needs first when you yourself are feeling so low in confidence and self esteem. But that's why organisations exist to help you. You are not alone - just hold out your hand and you will see that.

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