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My son had a breakdown last night. He's 8. What the hell should I do here?!

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TermFromHell · 03/12/2010 14:20

First of all, this could get lengthy so my apologies in advance. I'll try to keep it brief...

My son is eight years old. I may be biased here, but he is an absolute joy; kind, friendly, sensible, funny and very intelligent (with an aptitude for the more academic subjects which is also a plus)! Many people (aside from biased friends and family) have told me this, so I am assuming it's safe to believe it to be true! It is also a complete fluke and not the result of any wondrous parenting from his dad and I (who incidentally, were both terrors growing up)! Wink He really is a little star.

I was 18 when I had him (26 now) and my young age has never appeared to be a problem for any of us. His dad and I separated when he was a baby (too young) but remain friends and his dad has him nearly every weekend. We both met new partners fairly soon after the split, who we've remained with happily ever since and who love my DS like their own. It's all he's ever known and he has a happy family life - fairly standard these days I would have thought.

It took me by surprise how well he was to do at school. His dad was sporty and I was bright (but lazy) so it was a nice surprise for both of us! He has always enjoyed school, had fun, made friends and excelled academically. When he first started in reception, he was a little shy (only child thing maybe?) and showed some mildly autistic quirks (struggled with eye contact, loud noises, etc). But since then, he's positively blossomed!!!

.....until now.

I can quite clearly make the distinction between a bright, happy-go-lucky lad leaving his year 3 class at the start of the summer holidays to the miserable, lonely, exhausted lad I have in front of me today. I have literally watched him spiral into depression since the start of the Autumn term - it has been that blatant. Basically, he is being bullied.

It's a few of the lads in his class who are responsible, although there is a blatant ringleader in the midst. There has been the usual verbal bullying; "You're mum's poor" or "You're have and ugly face" or even; "You're disgusting and germy - go away - I never want to see you again". There has also been mental torture, such as everyone running away form him, refusing to play/ share/ sit-near/ etc.

Very worryingly, there is a degree of physical bullying as well. One very dismaying incident, involved one lad holding my DS up against a wall whilst another (the ringleader) punched him repeatedly in the stomach. This nasty creature, is very sly and quite a consummate liar (I've had him round for tea in previous years, so I'm on to him). He seems to enjoy torturing my DS until my DS lashes back out and gets into trouble himself. The lead bully seems quite happy to take a punch himself if it means he can get my son into trouble. My DS has told me of incidents where the bully has pinched, poked and punched him away from the teachers gaze. My DS is pretty patient and has described to me how he goes red in the face with anger and embarrassment and tries to close his eyes and screw up his face in an attempt not to hit the other child back. Eventually the other child will push and push until my DS snaps and clocks him one. My son is very tall, but quite skinny. He can handle himself but doesn't really want to have to. A gentle giant some might say.

This is bad enough, but the ringleader is also very manipulative and appears to have turned the entire class against my DS. He really is a social pariah. No one will play with him now and sharing space with him is done out of duress. My son is quite naive and not at all streetwise, so he doesn't know how to handle this at all. He is quite over-affectionate and will try to smile hug people to win them over as friends. They push him off and say; "Eurgh - you've got germs - get away from me"! He has even gotten into trouble with the staff for annoying people with his hugging. Something is very wrong here.

I don't even blame the bullies though really. No. The weak link here is the teacher. She seems to have it in for my son and that in turn has given the kids permission to have a go at him as well. She singles him out and embarrasses him. I was unimpressed with her the first time I met her (end of Sept). Prior to my son telling me about the bullying, she was complaining about his distractedness, fidgeting and over-affection. Fair enough. I was perfectly polite and co-operative - I always have been as I believe parents and teachers should be working together to help children. I asked her a simple question (if she would keep her eyes peeled for any 'behind-the-scenes' stuff that might be happening that could be effecting him). She quite defensively interrupted me twice as if if I was attacking her teaching. I wasn't, and made sure I repeated my request calmly. She also said his fidgeting made him and 'irritant' - even though he didn't mean to be. Weird. And not pleasant.

A few weeks later, it was parents evening. By this point, my son had told me he was being bullied and I had made an appointment with the deputy head later that same night to familiarise my self with the school's policy and ask what could be done. His class teacher was then overly complimentary and keen on my son! She had no choice but to compliment his school work (which is to a high standard anyway) but she seemed far more focused on his personality. I felt like she was paying me lip service. "Oh he's so great - he's one of my favourites actually! The other day, I had to tell him off for something and he looked so sad, I was heartbroken for the rest of the day. I can't bear it if he's off with me - he and I have a special bond", etc, etc... (even if that was true, get a bloody grip woman)! I wondered if she was saying all this stuff because she was paranoid about me possibly complaining about her to the deputy head later (I wasn't going to and didn't) or whether she says it to every parent? Who knows?! Later that night the deputy head was very helpful and promised to speak to the boys involved in the bullying and look out for DS's well being.

Except things went from bad to worse.

One particularly heartbreaking incident was quite recently. The children all went to the theatre as a day trip. I asked DS if he had enjoyed, which he said he had. I said to him; "who did you sit next to on the coach?!" and he replied; "No one". I said; "what do you mean? On the way there or on the way back?" "Both" he answered. It transpired that he had also been separated from the rest of the class during the show as well, sitting only next to a teacher with the class on the other side. In other words, his teachers had quite clearly either just left him on his own or blatantly separated him. Had he done anything wrong or naughty? No. This has been confirmed by staff.

When I spoke to the deputy head about this she said; "how does your DS feel about this?" to which I replied he had been matter-of-fact about it. She agreed that it was awful that he just accepted that he would always be left out. She mentioned the words 'class scapegoat' and started talking about moving him to another class in the year (it's a big school, with four form entry). I politely suggested that perhaps some of the bullies should be separated. She said she understood that but, to think of a large portion of the children in my DS's current class as a "lost cause" and that my DS would never quite fit in with them as they as rude, brash and rough - something my over-sensitive DS struggles with. She said even if she put the ringleader in another class, there are many kids in his current class cut from similar cloth and willing to fill said ringleaders shoes. And that basically, my DS needs "a bunch of nerds to hang around with" (I actually agree) and that there is a class with a vacancy coming up that has some nicer, more mature lads in it. Fine. Sounds good. Up to DS in the end though.

Meanwhile, his dad (working nights at the mo) phoned the school to confirm what was happening. It sounds like the deputy head had a very different conversation with him than she did with me, giving his dad pointers to share with DS on how to be less of an annoyance and how to make friends. If that's how the school feels, then fine but at least keep the message consistent between the two parents FFS!!!

Just yesterday, came the final straw for me. I went to pick my son up from school (yes, it is amazingly still open!) and he beamed when he saw me as he was coming out the door. I thought to myself; great - he looks like he's had a good day! He went over to his teacher and said "I see my mum" so that he could get permission to go. Teacher looked at me coldly and turned back to my DS and started having a real go at him - wagging her finger in his face and everything. This was in front of his fellow students, the others parents at the school and HIS OWN MOTHER!!! I was just about to go up and ask what the problem was when he ran over to me all deflated. I asked him was there a problem and did we have to go and speak to his teacher and what did he do wrong. He said no and we were free to go and that he would tell me the problem on the way to the car. So we left. After what happened next, I now really regret not marching up to the bitch and saying; "Do you really think it's wise to humiliate a child so publicly? How do you like it back?!" Angry

(As it turns out, DS had called one of the girls a 'loser' after she had snatched a school pencil off of him (that he had admittedly sucked the top of) and called him 'germy and disgusting'. Not nice of him (and I told him so) but he got the full blame - nothing on the female child. His teacher in the playground had said to him; "stop irritating people with your behaviour and try to get along with people.)

When we got back to the car, DS absolutely broke down. Horrendously so. I have never, ever seen him so upset in all my life. He was saying things like; "Everybody hates me so, so much. They're making my life hell - even the girls now. They always push me over and leave me out. Everyone runs away form me I had two friends and now they run away from me too. They call me names and punch and kick me. Sometimes they pretend to punch me and stop just before my face, which is even more annoying. I do things differently to them but they always pick on me for every. little. thing. Like if I hold my pen differently or if look at them and smile, they tell me off and boss me around. My methods are different at school and they always tell me I'm doing it wrong but I get lots right too. They always think they're right and I'm crap. I'm sick of it. I even stopped hugging everyone and they still hate me. Harry hugs everyone now and no one minds it when it's him. They all snatch things off me - even when they're mine. If I get put into a group, they all say; "oh no - not DS's name*" and the teacher never tells them off. She's always telling me off though. I can't concentrate on my work because all I can think off is how to get people to like me No one is nice to me - they're all so extreme. I hate my life and I want to die." Sad

It was devastating (although I was part impressed, part horrified to hear him genuinely use the words; 'method', 'extreme' and 'crap' - quite, erm adult?!). I have seriously never been so heartbroken and had to stop myself from crying at just how broken my little man has become. He looked exhausted. He couldn't even breath, he was crying so hard. He was pleading with me to help him. He even wrote me a letter, apologising for calling that girl a loser - as if that was the big bloody problem. I'm so genuinely gutted to see this normally happy, bright little boy so nervy and despondent. This is no way for him to live. I am so angry with his teacher - why is she doing this to him? I kept him off school today - my conscience wouldn't let me send him to be looked after by this woman. I have made another appointment with the deputy head on Monday and this time, I'm going to get pissed off. Angry

I understand that the school has to put the majority of the class first. But I genuinely don't believe that my son deserves this level of malignment for "being a bit annoying". Please mumsnetters - have I got this all wrong? what the hell should I do?! Sad

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NordicPrincess · 03/12/2010 14:27

You need to take him out of the school and not let him go back. oh and slap the teacher.

Errmmmm · 03/12/2010 14:27

Oh blimey. I could cry for your little boy Sad

I think it sounds like things have got bad enough to get him moved class asap, if not moved to another school entirely.

TheCrackFox · 03/12/2010 14:28

Can you change schools?

Oh and FWIW I would go up to that teacher, in the middle of a lesson, and tell her she is a "fucking disgrace".

pottonista · 03/12/2010 14:31

Oh the poor, poor mite. I was the odd one out at school for a long time, and though I didn't get bullied nearly as badly as your boy that kind of experience leaves deep marks. Please find him a different school!

TermFromHell · 03/12/2010 14:32

Thanks for your replies so far guys - I really appreciate it as I know it was an absolute mission to read!!! Do you really think things are so awful that I should move his school?!

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AMAZINWOMAN · 03/12/2010 14:32

I can't ignore your post, but I don't really know the answer.

Speak to the school again. Go in with his dad to ensure consistency.

is it possible to get him into a club outside of school, where he will make friends. Then you will know it's the school and not him

Also try and get a statement to see if he is autistic. (not sure how this would help but you mentioned it at the start of your post)
If he is autistic there are stategies to use to make life easier for you son.

Hope somebody has some better answers or experience, but I couldn't ignore your post.

1234ThumbScrew · 03/12/2010 14:33

As a mother of an 8 year old ds I actually couldn't get to the end of your post, it's so upsetting. Take him out of the school, you won't regret it. Please.

Xales · 03/12/2010 14:34

Totally agree with Nordic. Never let your son back into that school.

This is foul behaviour and the teacher needs one hell of a wake up kick.

You need to write this all down for yourself. Bullet point it all. Copy this post as a good starting point.

Get your son if he can to write everything he can remember. What he think caused it, what happened and teachers responses.

Do not let the deputy distract you with talk of your son's 'personality'. That is not the issue.

If they try and change things/distract you/makes excuses refer back to your notes.

Don't accept waffle, if they do not answer your question point out to them they haven't and ask it again.

Make notes as you go. If you have to stop them talking to write them down so be it. Don't let yourself be rushed/distracted or waffled at as this is all aimed to make them better and you look like a neurotic mum.

Oh and take someone with you.

Good luck and fight like a lioness for your poor son.

ChunkyBrewster · 03/12/2010 14:34

Your post is heartbreaking, poor little guy. I just want to give him a big hug. I think club/activity outside of school is a great idea as well.

SarfEasticated · 03/12/2010 14:35

Blimey, very sad to read this, my DD is only 3 so not experience of school policies. I hope someone comes along with some helpful advice.

curlymama · 03/12/2010 14:35

Wow! Longest post ever! Smile

Do you really need us to tell you that you need to move your child to a different school?

I understand that there could be countless problems with doing this, but none of them are more important than your sons emotional well being.

Move him, start looking at other schools and making enquiries today.

You have tried to communicate with the school, and to put it bluntly, they have been crap. There is no point wasting time trying to change the unchangeable, not while your poor son is suffering so much in the meantime.

I hope you are both ok, this must be absolutely heartbreakingly awful for you.

mamsnet · 03/12/2010 14:36

This is the saddest case I have read on here for a while.. Thank God he has a strong family to help him through.

Can you take him out of there TODAY and subsequently get that BITCH fired!!!!!

Please let us know how you're both doing.

MissMashMissMash · 03/12/2010 14:36

You have not got it out wrong. Take him out of the school at least temporarily and complain to Headteacher/Governors. Also get in touch with a bullying charity to see what their advice is.

werewolf · 03/12/2010 14:36

I would take him out of that school and give him a fresh start somewhere else.

ElsieMc · 03/12/2010 14:36

I don't know what to say to you after reading this - it is so very sad. Your DS cannot have gone suddenly from being a happy, confident child to the one he is now in a few short months without something being drastically wrong.

I think at this meeting you need to take someone else with you. Could I suggest an Education Welfare officer. Ring the LEA immediately and tell them what has been happening.

I had a very bad situation at school, not to do with bullying but with estranged family members (without any PR) interfering at the school and a meetings were held without myself or my husband being informed, as well as a number of other matters that undermined us.

When I found out, I rang the head and she was very rude and defensive. It was clear she did not expect to be found out, let alone challenged. I gave it some thought with my husband and then spoke to a school governor. In the meantime I went into the school, booked an appointment and told them to make someone available to take minutes of the meeting. When I turned up, a Manager from the LEA also turned up to accompany me, as requested by the governor I spoke to. The head was very shocked and looked ridiculous at the meeting.

Matters improved for me, but you may be getting to the stage where you really need to cut your losses for the sake of your son.

I hope you get some good advice from those more in the know than me. I do wish you and your son the best.

sooz28 · 03/12/2010 14:37

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sparechange · 03/12/2010 14:38

Please find him another school.
He needs a fresh start and a clean slate, because the bullies aren't going to wake up one morning and think 'we'll stop being mean to him now'

The school are at best turning a blind eye, and at worst complicit in what is happening to him.

Poor boy, I really hope things pick up for him soon because he sounds like a lovely child.

altinkum · 03/12/2010 14:38

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gingerwench · 03/12/2010 14:38

That is so so sad. I'm weeping for your son, no child should ever have to feel like that.

My non-expert advice is to change schools if you can and get some support for you and your son so he can face the new school with confidence.

One thing that helped me cope with relentless bullying was developing non-school interests and that led to friendships that helped me get through school. Perhaps in the medium term you could see if he could start a club or interest where he might mix with children a bit more like him?

Jins · 03/12/2010 14:39

Take him out of that school now and get in touch with the education authority. You need to be complaining about the treatment he has had and the fact that he is not being protected by the adults in charge and you also need to ask for an assessment with an educational psychologist.

I think that when things have reached such a low point then it's going to be almost impossible to get him back to himself in that environment. A fresh start is important but I'd leave it until the new year to allow him time to build his self esteem and get some coping strategies in place.

Also speak to your GP.

vinocollapso · 03/12/2010 14:40

Firstly - a huge big virtual hug, you poor, poor thing. I am holding back tears as I read this, because it is so terribly sad and unfair, you are so clearly a fabulous and thoughtful mum, your son is in no way to blame for this and it sounds like the school is never, ever going to do anything about this c**t of a child who is causing the bullying.

My son is only 4 months old, so I can't comment on the current school system. But I do know this - bullying is ageless.It goes on and on. I was bullied at junior school, at the same age as your boy, and I can still to this day remember how it made me feel. I was bullied for the same reasons (though bullies don't need a reason, not really) - a bit different, a bit bright, a bit whatever. You and I know that this child is jealous of your son, and hence the issue. But when you are 8, this makes no sense. It just hurts. The girl who bullied me used to make me have fights with other girls, and would then join in herself to get a good few punches in - so it looked like I had started the fight and she was just 'helping' the other girl. It only stopped when I passed my 11+ (she didn't, ha!) and I went to senior school. But it marked me, I felt, as a child, as a loser.

My mum did all she could to help, but I couldn't move schools, it was the only one. I had to tough it out and luckily I did have the one friend. But it was hard. I used to run home after school and hide under the bed.

All I can say is do everything you can to make it stop - speak to the bullies parents, keep hassling the school, and if you can and have to, move him. The school should not be encouraging this, or worse, turning a blind eye. The days of scapegoats are over, and they are discriminating against your son.

Other will no doubt say he has to learn and stick up for himself, but he is 8 ffs. He needs an adult's help and intervention.

Good luck. xxxx

madwomanintheattic · 03/12/2010 14:40

call the chair of governors and ask for a meeting concerning their anti-bullying policy. get a copy of it (usually available on their website) and take it up with them.

inform the chair of governors that you are removing your child from the school until the situation is resolved (i don't think it will be - but you need to have made this a formal complaint to the governing body so that you have done your bit to inform the school so that things can be improved for other children in your son's situation)

start looking around for other schools.

you will need to inform them that he is being bullied, of course. but it might also be worth considering that he might need some additional help with social skills as a result (you can make this a feature of your discussions with other ht's as you look at other settings).

so you have two things you looking for in another school - a more nurturing environment, but also somewhere where he will be given additional help (if he needs it) with the 'annoying' or less socially desirable aspects of his character.

i'm not saying he is annoying, or needs help with social skills, but you do need to consider this as you are looking for another setting - if only to ward off the inevitable discussion between the two schools.

PerpetuallyAnnoyedByHeadlice · 03/12/2010 14:40
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print off your OP and take it to the headteacher, ask how they would feel if it were their child? and if no joy the governors

if you have a nearby school he could go to for a fresh start, go.

best of luck to you all!

ppeatfruit · 03/12/2010 14:42

Or take him out of school completely for a while you could ask him what he wants to do, I did with all my LO's for far lesser probs. That school sounds like a disgrace.

TheCrackFox · 03/12/2010 14:42

I have a nephew (now a lovely 17 yr old) who had similar issues with schools. All the boys bullied him and the school were useless. His parents (my BIL and SIL) had a 2 pronged approach - they changed schools and he started Take Kwon Do.

He went to being a social pariah at his old school to being the most popular child, in his class, at his new school.