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My son had a breakdown last night. He's 8. What the hell should I do here?!

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TermFromHell · 03/12/2010 14:20

First of all, this could get lengthy so my apologies in advance. I'll try to keep it brief...

My son is eight years old. I may be biased here, but he is an absolute joy; kind, friendly, sensible, funny and very intelligent (with an aptitude for the more academic subjects which is also a plus)! Many people (aside from biased friends and family) have told me this, so I am assuming it's safe to believe it to be true! It is also a complete fluke and not the result of any wondrous parenting from his dad and I (who incidentally, were both terrors growing up)! Wink He really is a little star.

I was 18 when I had him (26 now) and my young age has never appeared to be a problem for any of us. His dad and I separated when he was a baby (too young) but remain friends and his dad has him nearly every weekend. We both met new partners fairly soon after the split, who we've remained with happily ever since and who love my DS like their own. It's all he's ever known and he has a happy family life - fairly standard these days I would have thought.

It took me by surprise how well he was to do at school. His dad was sporty and I was bright (but lazy) so it was a nice surprise for both of us! He has always enjoyed school, had fun, made friends and excelled academically. When he first started in reception, he was a little shy (only child thing maybe?) and showed some mildly autistic quirks (struggled with eye contact, loud noises, etc). But since then, he's positively blossomed!!!

.....until now.

I can quite clearly make the distinction between a bright, happy-go-lucky lad leaving his year 3 class at the start of the summer holidays to the miserable, lonely, exhausted lad I have in front of me today. I have literally watched him spiral into depression since the start of the Autumn term - it has been that blatant. Basically, he is being bullied.

It's a few of the lads in his class who are responsible, although there is a blatant ringleader in the midst. There has been the usual verbal bullying; "You're mum's poor" or "You're have and ugly face" or even; "You're disgusting and germy - go away - I never want to see you again". There has also been mental torture, such as everyone running away form him, refusing to play/ share/ sit-near/ etc.

Very worryingly, there is a degree of physical bullying as well. One very dismaying incident, involved one lad holding my DS up against a wall whilst another (the ringleader) punched him repeatedly in the stomach. This nasty creature, is very sly and quite a consummate liar (I've had him round for tea in previous years, so I'm on to him). He seems to enjoy torturing my DS until my DS lashes back out and gets into trouble himself. The lead bully seems quite happy to take a punch himself if it means he can get my son into trouble. My DS has told me of incidents where the bully has pinched, poked and punched him away from the teachers gaze. My DS is pretty patient and has described to me how he goes red in the face with anger and embarrassment and tries to close his eyes and screw up his face in an attempt not to hit the other child back. Eventually the other child will push and push until my DS snaps and clocks him one. My son is very tall, but quite skinny. He can handle himself but doesn't really want to have to. A gentle giant some might say.

This is bad enough, but the ringleader is also very manipulative and appears to have turned the entire class against my DS. He really is a social pariah. No one will play with him now and sharing space with him is done out of duress. My son is quite naive and not at all streetwise, so he doesn't know how to handle this at all. He is quite over-affectionate and will try to smile hug people to win them over as friends. They push him off and say; "Eurgh - you've got germs - get away from me"! He has even gotten into trouble with the staff for annoying people with his hugging. Something is very wrong here.

I don't even blame the bullies though really. No. The weak link here is the teacher. She seems to have it in for my son and that in turn has given the kids permission to have a go at him as well. She singles him out and embarrasses him. I was unimpressed with her the first time I met her (end of Sept). Prior to my son telling me about the bullying, she was complaining about his distractedness, fidgeting and over-affection. Fair enough. I was perfectly polite and co-operative - I always have been as I believe parents and teachers should be working together to help children. I asked her a simple question (if she would keep her eyes peeled for any 'behind-the-scenes' stuff that might be happening that could be effecting him). She quite defensively interrupted me twice as if if I was attacking her teaching. I wasn't, and made sure I repeated my request calmly. She also said his fidgeting made him and 'irritant' - even though he didn't mean to be. Weird. And not pleasant.

A few weeks later, it was parents evening. By this point, my son had told me he was being bullied and I had made an appointment with the deputy head later that same night to familiarise my self with the school's policy and ask what could be done. His class teacher was then overly complimentary and keen on my son! She had no choice but to compliment his school work (which is to a high standard anyway) but she seemed far more focused on his personality. I felt like she was paying me lip service. "Oh he's so great - he's one of my favourites actually! The other day, I had to tell him off for something and he looked so sad, I was heartbroken for the rest of the day. I can't bear it if he's off with me - he and I have a special bond", etc, etc... (even if that was true, get a bloody grip woman)! I wondered if she was saying all this stuff because she was paranoid about me possibly complaining about her to the deputy head later (I wasn't going to and didn't) or whether she says it to every parent? Who knows?! Later that night the deputy head was very helpful and promised to speak to the boys involved in the bullying and look out for DS's well being.

Except things went from bad to worse.

One particularly heartbreaking incident was quite recently. The children all went to the theatre as a day trip. I asked DS if he had enjoyed, which he said he had. I said to him; "who did you sit next to on the coach?!" and he replied; "No one". I said; "what do you mean? On the way there or on the way back?" "Both" he answered. It transpired that he had also been separated from the rest of the class during the show as well, sitting only next to a teacher with the class on the other side. In other words, his teachers had quite clearly either just left him on his own or blatantly separated him. Had he done anything wrong or naughty? No. This has been confirmed by staff.

When I spoke to the deputy head about this she said; "how does your DS feel about this?" to which I replied he had been matter-of-fact about it. She agreed that it was awful that he just accepted that he would always be left out. She mentioned the words 'class scapegoat' and started talking about moving him to another class in the year (it's a big school, with four form entry). I politely suggested that perhaps some of the bullies should be separated. She said she understood that but, to think of a large portion of the children in my DS's current class as a "lost cause" and that my DS would never quite fit in with them as they as rude, brash and rough - something my over-sensitive DS struggles with. She said even if she put the ringleader in another class, there are many kids in his current class cut from similar cloth and willing to fill said ringleaders shoes. And that basically, my DS needs "a bunch of nerds to hang around with" (I actually agree) and that there is a class with a vacancy coming up that has some nicer, more mature lads in it. Fine. Sounds good. Up to DS in the end though.

Meanwhile, his dad (working nights at the mo) phoned the school to confirm what was happening. It sounds like the deputy head had a very different conversation with him than she did with me, giving his dad pointers to share with DS on how to be less of an annoyance and how to make friends. If that's how the school feels, then fine but at least keep the message consistent between the two parents FFS!!!

Just yesterday, came the final straw for me. I went to pick my son up from school (yes, it is amazingly still open!) and he beamed when he saw me as he was coming out the door. I thought to myself; great - he looks like he's had a good day! He went over to his teacher and said "I see my mum" so that he could get permission to go. Teacher looked at me coldly and turned back to my DS and started having a real go at him - wagging her finger in his face and everything. This was in front of his fellow students, the others parents at the school and HIS OWN MOTHER!!! I was just about to go up and ask what the problem was when he ran over to me all deflated. I asked him was there a problem and did we have to go and speak to his teacher and what did he do wrong. He said no and we were free to go and that he would tell me the problem on the way to the car. So we left. After what happened next, I now really regret not marching up to the bitch and saying; "Do you really think it's wise to humiliate a child so publicly? How do you like it back?!" Angry

(As it turns out, DS had called one of the girls a 'loser' after she had snatched a school pencil off of him (that he had admittedly sucked the top of) and called him 'germy and disgusting'. Not nice of him (and I told him so) but he got the full blame - nothing on the female child. His teacher in the playground had said to him; "stop irritating people with your behaviour and try to get along with people.)

When we got back to the car, DS absolutely broke down. Horrendously so. I have never, ever seen him so upset in all my life. He was saying things like; "Everybody hates me so, so much. They're making my life hell - even the girls now. They always push me over and leave me out. Everyone runs away form me I had two friends and now they run away from me too. They call me names and punch and kick me. Sometimes they pretend to punch me and stop just before my face, which is even more annoying. I do things differently to them but they always pick on me for every. little. thing. Like if I hold my pen differently or if look at them and smile, they tell me off and boss me around. My methods are different at school and they always tell me I'm doing it wrong but I get lots right too. They always think they're right and I'm crap. I'm sick of it. I even stopped hugging everyone and they still hate me. Harry hugs everyone now and no one minds it when it's him. They all snatch things off me - even when they're mine. If I get put into a group, they all say; "oh no - not DS's name*" and the teacher never tells them off. She's always telling me off though. I can't concentrate on my work because all I can think off is how to get people to like me No one is nice to me - they're all so extreme. I hate my life and I want to die." Sad

It was devastating (although I was part impressed, part horrified to hear him genuinely use the words; 'method', 'extreme' and 'crap' - quite, erm adult?!). I have seriously never been so heartbroken and had to stop myself from crying at just how broken my little man has become. He looked exhausted. He couldn't even breath, he was crying so hard. He was pleading with me to help him. He even wrote me a letter, apologising for calling that girl a loser - as if that was the big bloody problem. I'm so genuinely gutted to see this normally happy, bright little boy so nervy and despondent. This is no way for him to live. I am so angry with his teacher - why is she doing this to him? I kept him off school today - my conscience wouldn't let me send him to be looked after by this woman. I have made another appointment with the deputy head on Monday and this time, I'm going to get pissed off. Angry

I understand that the school has to put the majority of the class first. But I genuinely don't believe that my son deserves this level of malignment for "being a bit annoying". Please mumsnetters - have I got this all wrong? what the hell should I do?! Sad

OP posts:
Hulababy · 26/01/2011 21:46

Your update is so lovely to read. Glad your DS is appearing so settled so quickly :)

pointythings · 26/01/2011 21:47

Your DS will always remember the way that you were there for him. Fabulous.

CeliaFate · 26/01/2011 22:19

What a lovely ending - huge congratulations to you and your ds!

Unwind · 26/01/2011 22:45

Well done Grin

You've saved your son from years' of torture

jaffacakeaddict · 26/01/2011 22:48

Glad to hear there was such a fantastic outcome. Best wishes to your DS for the future. I would make a formal complaint about the old teacher. If enough parents do this the head may be forced to take action which may prevent another child being bullied in the future.

TermFromHell · 26/01/2011 22:49

Thank you all again, so very, very much!!! The support on here has been wonderful and I don't think I'd have got by without it! (I don't think I've ever seen such unanimous agreement on mumsnet before - I think I was expecting to be told IWBU)!!!!! And thank you for the lovely compliments - I'm not that great of a mum, honestly (I'm a scatty, disorganised mess most of the time)! I just went with my instincts in the end - call it the Lioness in me!!! Grin Wink

Reading through this thread again, I was struck by how many of you have been through similar (either yourselves or your kids). I can only wish you all the best with your experiences - past and present. As I am part way through my counselling training, I have now decided to specialise in supporting school-aged children - as a direct result of our experience. Bullying should be stamped out and victims deserve proper support.

We had another lovely day today - in fact his friend was really disappointed that DS couldn't come over to tea as we had stuff on, bless him!!! Grin It's still early days yet, but already the change is astounding. I'm truly over the moon that I've got my happy, smiling, laughing boy back..... he's so relaxed right about now - the bags have vanished from under his eyes and he's just MILES better!!!!!

Thanks for everything and much love to you all...x Oh - and I'll let you know what becomes of the witch!!!!! Wink

OP posts:
kensworth · 27/01/2011 09:15

So pleased for you and your little boy. Well done for sticking to your guns and putting your baby first

KangarooCaught · 27/01/2011 10:09

Term this thread contains such good advice and hope for parents in a similarly awful situation, I'd wonder if you'd consider letting it stay?

LDNmummy · 27/01/2011 10:20

Remove him from the school, I had this problem at school, It does leave lasting marks and it takes a long time to shift feelings of social inadequacy and other damage it might do. Also, blast the teacher in front of everyone the way she did to your son. But don't swear, raise your voice and be dignified so everyone can really hear but not accuse you of being OTT.

melikalikimaka · 27/01/2011 10:27

So happy for you and DS. Heres to a great future![bwink]

Rosyloo · 19/05/2011 01:10

Thought I'd jump on the bandwagon!
I think it's soo awful how children behave these days.! I mean, i'm 6 months gone and to think that my kid will be growing up in that environment quite frankly disgusts me. I'm a lecturer at the DMU and I had a similar situation. I had a student come to me and she was all teary- her mum had just died and she didn't know what to do. She told me I was the only person she could talk to, which is great because I feel that sometimes kids need someone they can trust to talk to, and I think if your Son has someone he can go to then there's a light at the end of the tunnel. I'm nearing my maternity leave now and I was wondering if any of you had any advise about how to help the studetn I was telling you about? How do I comfort her? What do I say? Have any of you been in similar situations?

DontGoCurly · 19/05/2011 01:52

Zombie thread !

Rosyloo · 19/05/2011 02:35

:)

cherrypez · 19/05/2011 10:34

get him out that school, end of, i cried when i read your op

steamedtreaclesponge · 19/05/2011 11:12

Rosyloo, you might get a better response to your question if you start a new thread - this one's very old and you'll get people answering the OP rather than you!

springbokscantjump · 19/05/2011 12:35

Argh why do I next check the date of the OP?! Bawled my eyes at it :(
But at least I got to the happy ending Grin without the intervening months

sjdg · 19/05/2011 12:58

I would definately start seriously looking at othe rschools nearby, if the teachers at that school have that attitude towards thier pupils, 1, they shouldnt be teaching, and 2, I wouldnt want my child anywhere near!x

Lisaklf · 20/05/2011 19:05

I have recently had a similar thing with my 9 yearold step-son who is dyslexic so struggles with school anyway. We kept being told that 'they were all as bad as each other' despite four of the main bullies kicking him on the ground after school! He would often tell me that he didn't play with anyone at playtimes and became embarrassed and defensive and would refuse to try and read in front of anyone, including his dad, brother and me =(
We moved him to a smaller school and have our funny chirpy little boy back - we didn't realise how much he had changed until he started to get better and now he has come on massively with his reading and writing.

Good luck x

PommePoire · 20/05/2011 19:56

This is an old thread
Rosyloo start a new thread and ask your question there as steamedtreaclesponge suggests.

cheshirecat777 · 10/02/2020 21:40

Gosh poor boy - just move school if you can do so

sadly those bully type children exist in all classes it only takes an uninterested teacher and a concentration of a few more nasty kids to tag along and its a really bad environment for the poor child who is the target.

weirdly my DD had none of this problem but some children of my friends who where in the other class in her yr group did. In their case it was a combination of the mix of kids in that class and them always having worse teachers.

then when my DD did an out of school sports activity for which she was in the top group and it was mainly kids from the other class and we were gobsmacked by how awful and intimidating they were and how the coach was even worse turning a blind eye and not encouraging a team ethos and this kind of bred a really intimidating unfriendly bullying. type of atmosphere.

Pumpkinsarepurple · 10/02/2020 21:50

He is 18 now so it's probably been resolved by now.

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