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My son had a breakdown last night. He's 8. What the hell should I do here?!

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TermFromHell · 03/12/2010 14:20

First of all, this could get lengthy so my apologies in advance. I'll try to keep it brief...

My son is eight years old. I may be biased here, but he is an absolute joy; kind, friendly, sensible, funny and very intelligent (with an aptitude for the more academic subjects which is also a plus)! Many people (aside from biased friends and family) have told me this, so I am assuming it's safe to believe it to be true! It is also a complete fluke and not the result of any wondrous parenting from his dad and I (who incidentally, were both terrors growing up)! Wink He really is a little star.

I was 18 when I had him (26 now) and my young age has never appeared to be a problem for any of us. His dad and I separated when he was a baby (too young) but remain friends and his dad has him nearly every weekend. We both met new partners fairly soon after the split, who we've remained with happily ever since and who love my DS like their own. It's all he's ever known and he has a happy family life - fairly standard these days I would have thought.

It took me by surprise how well he was to do at school. His dad was sporty and I was bright (but lazy) so it was a nice surprise for both of us! He has always enjoyed school, had fun, made friends and excelled academically. When he first started in reception, he was a little shy (only child thing maybe?) and showed some mildly autistic quirks (struggled with eye contact, loud noises, etc). But since then, he's positively blossomed!!!

.....until now.

I can quite clearly make the distinction between a bright, happy-go-lucky lad leaving his year 3 class at the start of the summer holidays to the miserable, lonely, exhausted lad I have in front of me today. I have literally watched him spiral into depression since the start of the Autumn term - it has been that blatant. Basically, he is being bullied.

It's a few of the lads in his class who are responsible, although there is a blatant ringleader in the midst. There has been the usual verbal bullying; "You're mum's poor" or "You're have and ugly face" or even; "You're disgusting and germy - go away - I never want to see you again". There has also been mental torture, such as everyone running away form him, refusing to play/ share/ sit-near/ etc.

Very worryingly, there is a degree of physical bullying as well. One very dismaying incident, involved one lad holding my DS up against a wall whilst another (the ringleader) punched him repeatedly in the stomach. This nasty creature, is very sly and quite a consummate liar (I've had him round for tea in previous years, so I'm on to him). He seems to enjoy torturing my DS until my DS lashes back out and gets into trouble himself. The lead bully seems quite happy to take a punch himself if it means he can get my son into trouble. My DS has told me of incidents where the bully has pinched, poked and punched him away from the teachers gaze. My DS is pretty patient and has described to me how he goes red in the face with anger and embarrassment and tries to close his eyes and screw up his face in an attempt not to hit the other child back. Eventually the other child will push and push until my DS snaps and clocks him one. My son is very tall, but quite skinny. He can handle himself but doesn't really want to have to. A gentle giant some might say.

This is bad enough, but the ringleader is also very manipulative and appears to have turned the entire class against my DS. He really is a social pariah. No one will play with him now and sharing space with him is done out of duress. My son is quite naive and not at all streetwise, so he doesn't know how to handle this at all. He is quite over-affectionate and will try to smile hug people to win them over as friends. They push him off and say; "Eurgh - you've got germs - get away from me"! He has even gotten into trouble with the staff for annoying people with his hugging. Something is very wrong here.

I don't even blame the bullies though really. No. The weak link here is the teacher. She seems to have it in for my son and that in turn has given the kids permission to have a go at him as well. She singles him out and embarrasses him. I was unimpressed with her the first time I met her (end of Sept). Prior to my son telling me about the bullying, she was complaining about his distractedness, fidgeting and over-affection. Fair enough. I was perfectly polite and co-operative - I always have been as I believe parents and teachers should be working together to help children. I asked her a simple question (if she would keep her eyes peeled for any 'behind-the-scenes' stuff that might be happening that could be effecting him). She quite defensively interrupted me twice as if if I was attacking her teaching. I wasn't, and made sure I repeated my request calmly. She also said his fidgeting made him and 'irritant' - even though he didn't mean to be. Weird. And not pleasant.

A few weeks later, it was parents evening. By this point, my son had told me he was being bullied and I had made an appointment with the deputy head later that same night to familiarise my self with the school's policy and ask what could be done. His class teacher was then overly complimentary and keen on my son! She had no choice but to compliment his school work (which is to a high standard anyway) but she seemed far more focused on his personality. I felt like she was paying me lip service. "Oh he's so great - he's one of my favourites actually! The other day, I had to tell him off for something and he looked so sad, I was heartbroken for the rest of the day. I can't bear it if he's off with me - he and I have a special bond", etc, etc... (even if that was true, get a bloody grip woman)! I wondered if she was saying all this stuff because she was paranoid about me possibly complaining about her to the deputy head later (I wasn't going to and didn't) or whether she says it to every parent? Who knows?! Later that night the deputy head was very helpful and promised to speak to the boys involved in the bullying and look out for DS's well being.

Except things went from bad to worse.

One particularly heartbreaking incident was quite recently. The children all went to the theatre as a day trip. I asked DS if he had enjoyed, which he said he had. I said to him; "who did you sit next to on the coach?!" and he replied; "No one". I said; "what do you mean? On the way there or on the way back?" "Both" he answered. It transpired that he had also been separated from the rest of the class during the show as well, sitting only next to a teacher with the class on the other side. In other words, his teachers had quite clearly either just left him on his own or blatantly separated him. Had he done anything wrong or naughty? No. This has been confirmed by staff.

When I spoke to the deputy head about this she said; "how does your DS feel about this?" to which I replied he had been matter-of-fact about it. She agreed that it was awful that he just accepted that he would always be left out. She mentioned the words 'class scapegoat' and started talking about moving him to another class in the year (it's a big school, with four form entry). I politely suggested that perhaps some of the bullies should be separated. She said she understood that but, to think of a large portion of the children in my DS's current class as a "lost cause" and that my DS would never quite fit in with them as they as rude, brash and rough - something my over-sensitive DS struggles with. She said even if she put the ringleader in another class, there are many kids in his current class cut from similar cloth and willing to fill said ringleaders shoes. And that basically, my DS needs "a bunch of nerds to hang around with" (I actually agree) and that there is a class with a vacancy coming up that has some nicer, more mature lads in it. Fine. Sounds good. Up to DS in the end though.

Meanwhile, his dad (working nights at the mo) phoned the school to confirm what was happening. It sounds like the deputy head had a very different conversation with him than she did with me, giving his dad pointers to share with DS on how to be less of an annoyance and how to make friends. If that's how the school feels, then fine but at least keep the message consistent between the two parents FFS!!!

Just yesterday, came the final straw for me. I went to pick my son up from school (yes, it is amazingly still open!) and he beamed when he saw me as he was coming out the door. I thought to myself; great - he looks like he's had a good day! He went over to his teacher and said "I see my mum" so that he could get permission to go. Teacher looked at me coldly and turned back to my DS and started having a real go at him - wagging her finger in his face and everything. This was in front of his fellow students, the others parents at the school and HIS OWN MOTHER!!! I was just about to go up and ask what the problem was when he ran over to me all deflated. I asked him was there a problem and did we have to go and speak to his teacher and what did he do wrong. He said no and we were free to go and that he would tell me the problem on the way to the car. So we left. After what happened next, I now really regret not marching up to the bitch and saying; "Do you really think it's wise to humiliate a child so publicly? How do you like it back?!" Angry

(As it turns out, DS had called one of the girls a 'loser' after she had snatched a school pencil off of him (that he had admittedly sucked the top of) and called him 'germy and disgusting'. Not nice of him (and I told him so) but he got the full blame - nothing on the female child. His teacher in the playground had said to him; "stop irritating people with your behaviour and try to get along with people.)

When we got back to the car, DS absolutely broke down. Horrendously so. I have never, ever seen him so upset in all my life. He was saying things like; "Everybody hates me so, so much. They're making my life hell - even the girls now. They always push me over and leave me out. Everyone runs away form me I had two friends and now they run away from me too. They call me names and punch and kick me. Sometimes they pretend to punch me and stop just before my face, which is even more annoying. I do things differently to them but they always pick on me for every. little. thing. Like if I hold my pen differently or if look at them and smile, they tell me off and boss me around. My methods are different at school and they always tell me I'm doing it wrong but I get lots right too. They always think they're right and I'm crap. I'm sick of it. I even stopped hugging everyone and they still hate me. Harry hugs everyone now and no one minds it when it's him. They all snatch things off me - even when they're mine. If I get put into a group, they all say; "oh no - not DS's name*" and the teacher never tells them off. She's always telling me off though. I can't concentrate on my work because all I can think off is how to get people to like me No one is nice to me - they're all so extreme. I hate my life and I want to die." Sad

It was devastating (although I was part impressed, part horrified to hear him genuinely use the words; 'method', 'extreme' and 'crap' - quite, erm adult?!). I have seriously never been so heartbroken and had to stop myself from crying at just how broken my little man has become. He looked exhausted. He couldn't even breath, he was crying so hard. He was pleading with me to help him. He even wrote me a letter, apologising for calling that girl a loser - as if that was the big bloody problem. I'm so genuinely gutted to see this normally happy, bright little boy so nervy and despondent. This is no way for him to live. I am so angry with his teacher - why is she doing this to him? I kept him off school today - my conscience wouldn't let me send him to be looked after by this woman. I have made another appointment with the deputy head on Monday and this time, I'm going to get pissed off. Angry

I understand that the school has to put the majority of the class first. But I genuinely don't believe that my son deserves this level of malignment for "being a bit annoying". Please mumsnetters - have I got this all wrong? what the hell should I do?! Sad

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BendyBob · 03/12/2010 15:31

This is disgracefulSad Your poor little boy. I'd have him out of there and fast. How dare they hurt him soSad

As ever some excellent mn advice already given.

You do need to discuss what has happened with the school. As has been suggested, if possible don't go alone to the appointment. Just so you don't get fobbed off and also because if that was me describing what had happened I may very well lose either my temper or cry.

For me though I would be finding him another school - how could he possibly ever feel happy or secure there again?

It's just wouldn't leave without causing the most almighty rumpus as to why and let them stick that up their ofsted report.

How in earth do such inadequate 'teachers' actually qualify??Angry

Habanera · 03/12/2010 15:36

my dd1 has changed schools, will be 8 next month-she is much happier and the challenge to start afresh, deal with different people and problems, pluses and minuses, has boosted her confidence.

When I tried to warn her beforehand that it wouldn't make her life perfect, she said of COURSE I KNOW that, mum! sounds like your ds is sensible in that way too.

thefurryone · 03/12/2010 15:36

I can't offer you any practical advice, but just wanted to say how lucky your DS is to have you fighting in his corner. Good luck!

elmoschristmaswish · 03/12/2010 15:37

termfromhell I could have posted your op word for word Sad so sorry your little boy is going through all of this & you too

My ds was 8yrs old wen he started to get bullied , he is 11yrs old now & for 3 years he went through hell Sad verbal & physical bullying from 3 boys in his class but 1 particular boy was vicious(ds received death threats from this boy) towards ds & kicked him repeatedly in the head & upper body to the extent ds needed an MRI scan to rule out injuries . It seems to have stopped now because i have threatened the school governors with legal action should my ds be hurt again [had to get police involved as school were not doing anything to help ds] Ds's personality has completely changed now though , he's moody & angry most of the time whereas he used to be such a joyful child to be around Sad . I am sorry i did not remove ds from that school tbh .
I really really hope your meeting with the head goes well on Monday & please dont let the school put any blame on your ds's personality as he sounds lovely . My ds's school tried to say my ds was annoying the other boys by smiling at them Hmm .

Careybliss · 03/12/2010 15:37

I'd probably get him out of there. Obviously the teacher/school are not up to the job. If he has behaviour which is unusual (ie. too affectionate, fidgety) then they should have addressed it but obviously they haven't. I hope he finds somewhere a bit happier or things improve soon.

LoopyLoops · 03/12/2010 15:39

I would definitely agree that changing schools to a smaller primary where the staff all know the children properly and are able to support one another will be a good move.

I went to many different schools as a child, and without a doubt the smaller ones were better for the pastoral side of things.

Keeping him off until Christmas is a good idea, I doubt the GP will need to do anything.

Do complain to head and governors. Keep copies of everything, including the transcript above of what DS said.

Things really have gone too far in this school, a change will be good for him. Try and find another to start in January,missing those two weeks (of wordsearches, DVDs and colouring in) won't be a problem from an academic point of view.

Good luck, and lots of hugs to your little boy. :)

PhishFoodAddiction · 03/12/2010 15:39

Not read all the replies but Sad I've got tears in my eyes reading your post. Your poor DS. It's heartbreaking.

It sounds like the school don't want to deal with this situation, so I'd probably look at moving schools, although if that's not practical then definitely a change of class.

Sorry to say but sounds like his teacher just views him as a nuisance and isn't trying to integrate him into the class. Angry.

mumbar · 03/12/2010 15:39

altinkum - as you know I respect you a lot as a poster but tbh I immediatly though AS. Especially as my DS only 6 and yr 2 at the mo has had a similar experience at school and I think he may be slighty AS too.

I do see what your saying don't add to the problems but it may be something the OP needs to consider as if she decides to move him the problems will follow unless he gets the support he needs. (same for her).

OPyou are a great advocate for young single mums of junior aged children out there that you can raise children and do everything for them.

Fight the fight with your head held high and your DS will thank you for it.

Mishy1234 · 03/12/2010 15:40

Firstly, I would take him out of school and give him some breathing space. Under the circumstances I wouldn't think of him going back until at least after the holidays (if at all).

Secondly, I would definitely take someone with your meeting(s). Review their anti-bullying policy in advance and plan exactly what you want to say. I would have an agenda of sorts in your head or written down for your reference so you get all your points across. I would ask the person accompanying you to take minutes of all the main points, plus the action plan for moving forward.

I don't have a child in school yet, so those who do will have better advice than me, but those are my first thoughts.

I couldn't let your post pass without answering it. The treatment of your son is DISGRACEFUL and as for the behaviour of the teacher...well they shouldn't be in the post imo. We had a maths teacher when I was at school who used to humiliate the children he viewed as the weaker ones. He actually used to signal to the bullies to slap them on the head and would deliberately not notice. Eventually he was sacked, but not before he had an adverse affect on a lot of pupils.

I am extremely sorry that your son is having such an awful time. Now you are fully aware of it you can help him. There are things you can do, you aren't powerless.

Best of luck and huge hugs to you for having to see your son go through this.

fallon8 · 03/12/2010 15:41

Get it a local paper,,ovioulsy leaving out your name,the school will hate the negative publicity.

TermFromHell · 03/12/2010 15:41

Ooooh - and just another little snippet to digest before I go (I actually can't believe I forgot!) - the teacher in question has been at the school for many years. My DP (DS's step-dad) went to the school as a child along with his siblings. DP's younger sister was taught buy this very same teacher 8 years ago. A very bright girl (now 18 and at uni), she actually had to take over this teacher's lesson (The ICT portion) because the teacher didn't know how to use a computer. So it was left to a 10 year old girl to show the rest of the class what to do. Ironically enough, this happened back in 2002 - the year my son was born. And I'm pretty sure even I knew how to use a computer back then. Make of that what you will.....

We also have to tread very carefully as DP's lovely mum is a SEN TA in the Infants, and we don't want to cause her any difficulty in her job. Obviously my son is the priority but this is a horribly tricky situation.....

Really must get going now!!! Grin

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LeroyJethroGibbs · 03/12/2010 15:43

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philmassive · 03/12/2010 15:44

When you contact the governors make sure you do it in writing and state that it is a formal complaint. If you don't use the term 'formal complaint' the situation doesn't need to be mentioned in Ofsted figures. A minor thing but one that will piss the school off and ensure that they do actually try to help your ds rather than brushing things under the carpet.

FWIW I'd take my DS out of school too. Nobody deserves that sort of treatment and it stinks that the staff are colluding in it.

Go to your GP and tell them about it all too - a professional opinion counts for alot in these situations.

Finally best of luck. Your ds is lucky to have you and your obvious love and care. Let us know what happens.

ElspethDiggory · 03/12/2010 15:45

As a parent I couldn't sympathise more. My brother was terribly bullied at school and he really suffered. I would also be tempted to move him to a different school. If the class he is in is a horrible one (and you do get year groups like that, ones who just bring out the worst in each other) - moving him may help although it won't address playtime issues which are notoriously hard to resolve.
If you decide to re-write your original post, as a teacher I would recommend you leave out your outrage at your child being told off in front of his peers and you. Children are constantly disciplined in front of their peers, that is the norm. Also if a child had misbehaved and a parent I was there I would still discipline them.
Also - the incident at the theatre. If a child is often 'annoying' to other children separating them during the performance might be a way of ensuring they could focus on the performance as could the other children. In the context of all the other revolting behaviour your son is having to endure that might seem harsh but as a teacher responsible for 30 children at a public location you do tend to try ensure the peace is kept as much as possible (for example, children who can be a bit tricky will either be in the teacher's group or with their own parents). I'm only telling you this so your letter will carry as much weight as possible rather than being dismissed because of a few things that the school may perceive to be standard practice. HTH and good luck to you and (((((hugs))))) to your son. As others have said he is lucky to have such a caring and involved mum.

pointissima · 03/12/2010 15:45

Poor poor little thing; and poor you.

He needs a fresh start. Take him out of school from tomorrow; and look round for somewhere else. I am appalled by the extent of staff complicity in the bullying.

coolbeans · 03/12/2010 15:51

Oh your poor little boy - it actually brought tears to my eyes to think of him being treated so appallingly in a school setting.

Get him out of there. He sounds like a bright, smart kid. Let him stay at home and learn there, until you can find a school that better fits his needs.

It must be heartbreaking for you to see this happening to your boy. Get a bit of power back, complain to the head, to the LEA, to the Governers. They really need to not get away with this!

Best of luck.

tomhardyismydh · 03/12/2010 15:51

take him out of the school imediatly.

It does sound that some of his ways are a little imature in a way but no fucking wonder. he is never going to thrive in this environment with a fucking discrace of a teaher and I would tell her that aswell If I where you. think you should also go to the GP and find out about councelling to help your son build his self esteeme up aswell. He needs to go to different school. does he have any friends in other local schools?

I could just cry for him.

chinam · 03/12/2010 15:54

Agree with all the others that he needs a fresh start. Best of luck with whatever you decide to do.

whiteliesaregoodlies · 03/12/2010 15:54

Ok have read the op but not all the answers as am on my phone ....

I couldve written your post a year ago. My 8 year old ds is kind, clever and sensitive - a bit of a worrier, an old head on young shoulders. After numerous incidents in reception and years 1 and 2 the last straw was when a boy walked up behind him - while I was holding his hand - and pushed him face down to the floor. If they are prepared to do that in front of a parent what the hell was going on behind my back?

We changed schools. I worried endlessly that we would make him feel he was running away, that it was his fault . He came out of his first day at the new school smiling, and hasn't stopped since.

No more scratches on his face, no bruises or pinch marks on his arms, no lying awake at 9 o clock scared to go to sleep. My only regret was trusting the school for so long telling me it would all be sorted out.

I could cry for your ds, I really could. What chance does he have if the teacher is a bully?

ThatVikRinA22 · 03/12/2010 15:55

throughout the 3 schools my DS went to, the bullying continued. kids pick up on difference, but some schools are way better at dealing with the bullying than others.

im really hoping some of the parents on the SN section of the board see the link and pop over to offer some practical advice.

i can only reiterate what i said about IPSEA - i have put a link on to their site on an earlier post. They have a wealth of information and experience and can advise you practically about what to do next.

i really must go and get some work done now...i should be home working! instead im on here!
good luck op, please explore your options. (and one thing i would not advise at this stage is the papers...you want the school to cooperate with you, you may well have to get heavy but do it the right way - use the rights and powers that are available to you in the right way - please phone IPSEA)

tomhardyismydh · 03/12/2010 15:55

elspeth I think OP was outraged at how teacher demeanded and humilated her son wiith the way she waved her finger in his face, this bullying and threatening and is not required when telling a child his responce was not approprite. IMHO, though his response was approprite.

Southwestwhippet · 03/12/2010 15:55

I 100% think you are doing the right thing in taking him out of school and personally i would be doing everything I could to make sure he never had to go back.

I was very badly bullied at secondary school for being 'wierd' and I will never forget my mum's fury when she phoned up to try and deal with it and was given some 'hints and tips' for me on how I could be more likeable. Angry Shock. If the school are blaming your son for being bullied, they are utterly failing in their duty of care towards him IMO.

Poor little boy, my heart goes out to him Sad Sad

Mishy1234 · 03/12/2010 15:58

That's horrendous whiteliesaregoodies. What did you do?

I have to say I would find it hard under those circumstances not to do something...

earwicga · 03/12/2010 15:58

Lordy! Your poor poor child.

If it was me I would take him out of the school alltogether. I'm glad you are keeping him off at the moment. Nobody deserves to be treated like this.

Make sure you write to the and /Ofsted/Estyn to make sure this is put on record. I would also make a complaint to the GTC, or equiv if you don't live in England.

What hideous bastards the teaching staff involved are!

madangelhaironchristmasday · 03/12/2010 15:59

Oh poor ds :(
My dd was bullied but the school were great and proactive about working with her, us and the bullies and it stopped. This is how a school should be.

Ask to speak to the governors and ask for the Anti Bullying Policy. This should set out what the school does in such instances.

I am so sad for your ds. You sound like a lovely mum who will fight for him and with you on his side he'll be fine. Xmas Smile

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