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My son had a breakdown last night. He's 8. What the hell should I do here?!

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TermFromHell · 03/12/2010 14:20

First of all, this could get lengthy so my apologies in advance. I'll try to keep it brief...

My son is eight years old. I may be biased here, but he is an absolute joy; kind, friendly, sensible, funny and very intelligent (with an aptitude for the more academic subjects which is also a plus)! Many people (aside from biased friends and family) have told me this, so I am assuming it's safe to believe it to be true! It is also a complete fluke and not the result of any wondrous parenting from his dad and I (who incidentally, were both terrors growing up)! Wink He really is a little star.

I was 18 when I had him (26 now) and my young age has never appeared to be a problem for any of us. His dad and I separated when he was a baby (too young) but remain friends and his dad has him nearly every weekend. We both met new partners fairly soon after the split, who we've remained with happily ever since and who love my DS like their own. It's all he's ever known and he has a happy family life - fairly standard these days I would have thought.

It took me by surprise how well he was to do at school. His dad was sporty and I was bright (but lazy) so it was a nice surprise for both of us! He has always enjoyed school, had fun, made friends and excelled academically. When he first started in reception, he was a little shy (only child thing maybe?) and showed some mildly autistic quirks (struggled with eye contact, loud noises, etc). But since then, he's positively blossomed!!!

.....until now.

I can quite clearly make the distinction between a bright, happy-go-lucky lad leaving his year 3 class at the start of the summer holidays to the miserable, lonely, exhausted lad I have in front of me today. I have literally watched him spiral into depression since the start of the Autumn term - it has been that blatant. Basically, he is being bullied.

It's a few of the lads in his class who are responsible, although there is a blatant ringleader in the midst. There has been the usual verbal bullying; "You're mum's poor" or "You're have and ugly face" or even; "You're disgusting and germy - go away - I never want to see you again". There has also been mental torture, such as everyone running away form him, refusing to play/ share/ sit-near/ etc.

Very worryingly, there is a degree of physical bullying as well. One very dismaying incident, involved one lad holding my DS up against a wall whilst another (the ringleader) punched him repeatedly in the stomach. This nasty creature, is very sly and quite a consummate liar (I've had him round for tea in previous years, so I'm on to him). He seems to enjoy torturing my DS until my DS lashes back out and gets into trouble himself. The lead bully seems quite happy to take a punch himself if it means he can get my son into trouble. My DS has told me of incidents where the bully has pinched, poked and punched him away from the teachers gaze. My DS is pretty patient and has described to me how he goes red in the face with anger and embarrassment and tries to close his eyes and screw up his face in an attempt not to hit the other child back. Eventually the other child will push and push until my DS snaps and clocks him one. My son is very tall, but quite skinny. He can handle himself but doesn't really want to have to. A gentle giant some might say.

This is bad enough, but the ringleader is also very manipulative and appears to have turned the entire class against my DS. He really is a social pariah. No one will play with him now and sharing space with him is done out of duress. My son is quite naive and not at all streetwise, so he doesn't know how to handle this at all. He is quite over-affectionate and will try to smile hug people to win them over as friends. They push him off and say; "Eurgh - you've got germs - get away from me"! He has even gotten into trouble with the staff for annoying people with his hugging. Something is very wrong here.

I don't even blame the bullies though really. No. The weak link here is the teacher. She seems to have it in for my son and that in turn has given the kids permission to have a go at him as well. She singles him out and embarrasses him. I was unimpressed with her the first time I met her (end of Sept). Prior to my son telling me about the bullying, she was complaining about his distractedness, fidgeting and over-affection. Fair enough. I was perfectly polite and co-operative - I always have been as I believe parents and teachers should be working together to help children. I asked her a simple question (if she would keep her eyes peeled for any 'behind-the-scenes' stuff that might be happening that could be effecting him). She quite defensively interrupted me twice as if if I was attacking her teaching. I wasn't, and made sure I repeated my request calmly. She also said his fidgeting made him and 'irritant' - even though he didn't mean to be. Weird. And not pleasant.

A few weeks later, it was parents evening. By this point, my son had told me he was being bullied and I had made an appointment with the deputy head later that same night to familiarise my self with the school's policy and ask what could be done. His class teacher was then overly complimentary and keen on my son! She had no choice but to compliment his school work (which is to a high standard anyway) but she seemed far more focused on his personality. I felt like she was paying me lip service. "Oh he's so great - he's one of my favourites actually! The other day, I had to tell him off for something and he looked so sad, I was heartbroken for the rest of the day. I can't bear it if he's off with me - he and I have a special bond", etc, etc... (even if that was true, get a bloody grip woman)! I wondered if she was saying all this stuff because she was paranoid about me possibly complaining about her to the deputy head later (I wasn't going to and didn't) or whether she says it to every parent? Who knows?! Later that night the deputy head was very helpful and promised to speak to the boys involved in the bullying and look out for DS's well being.

Except things went from bad to worse.

One particularly heartbreaking incident was quite recently. The children all went to the theatre as a day trip. I asked DS if he had enjoyed, which he said he had. I said to him; "who did you sit next to on the coach?!" and he replied; "No one". I said; "what do you mean? On the way there or on the way back?" "Both" he answered. It transpired that he had also been separated from the rest of the class during the show as well, sitting only next to a teacher with the class on the other side. In other words, his teachers had quite clearly either just left him on his own or blatantly separated him. Had he done anything wrong or naughty? No. This has been confirmed by staff.

When I spoke to the deputy head about this she said; "how does your DS feel about this?" to which I replied he had been matter-of-fact about it. She agreed that it was awful that he just accepted that he would always be left out. She mentioned the words 'class scapegoat' and started talking about moving him to another class in the year (it's a big school, with four form entry). I politely suggested that perhaps some of the bullies should be separated. She said she understood that but, to think of a large portion of the children in my DS's current class as a "lost cause" and that my DS would never quite fit in with them as they as rude, brash and rough - something my over-sensitive DS struggles with. She said even if she put the ringleader in another class, there are many kids in his current class cut from similar cloth and willing to fill said ringleaders shoes. And that basically, my DS needs "a bunch of nerds to hang around with" (I actually agree) and that there is a class with a vacancy coming up that has some nicer, more mature lads in it. Fine. Sounds good. Up to DS in the end though.

Meanwhile, his dad (working nights at the mo) phoned the school to confirm what was happening. It sounds like the deputy head had a very different conversation with him than she did with me, giving his dad pointers to share with DS on how to be less of an annoyance and how to make friends. If that's how the school feels, then fine but at least keep the message consistent between the two parents FFS!!!

Just yesterday, came the final straw for me. I went to pick my son up from school (yes, it is amazingly still open!) and he beamed when he saw me as he was coming out the door. I thought to myself; great - he looks like he's had a good day! He went over to his teacher and said "I see my mum" so that he could get permission to go. Teacher looked at me coldly and turned back to my DS and started having a real go at him - wagging her finger in his face and everything. This was in front of his fellow students, the others parents at the school and HIS OWN MOTHER!!! I was just about to go up and ask what the problem was when he ran over to me all deflated. I asked him was there a problem and did we have to go and speak to his teacher and what did he do wrong. He said no and we were free to go and that he would tell me the problem on the way to the car. So we left. After what happened next, I now really regret not marching up to the bitch and saying; "Do you really think it's wise to humiliate a child so publicly? How do you like it back?!" Angry

(As it turns out, DS had called one of the girls a 'loser' after she had snatched a school pencil off of him (that he had admittedly sucked the top of) and called him 'germy and disgusting'. Not nice of him (and I told him so) but he got the full blame - nothing on the female child. His teacher in the playground had said to him; "stop irritating people with your behaviour and try to get along with people.)

When we got back to the car, DS absolutely broke down. Horrendously so. I have never, ever seen him so upset in all my life. He was saying things like; "Everybody hates me so, so much. They're making my life hell - even the girls now. They always push me over and leave me out. Everyone runs away form me I had two friends and now they run away from me too. They call me names and punch and kick me. Sometimes they pretend to punch me and stop just before my face, which is even more annoying. I do things differently to them but they always pick on me for every. little. thing. Like if I hold my pen differently or if look at them and smile, they tell me off and boss me around. My methods are different at school and they always tell me I'm doing it wrong but I get lots right too. They always think they're right and I'm crap. I'm sick of it. I even stopped hugging everyone and they still hate me. Harry hugs everyone now and no one minds it when it's him. They all snatch things off me - even when they're mine. If I get put into a group, they all say; "oh no - not DS's name*" and the teacher never tells them off. She's always telling me off though. I can't concentrate on my work because all I can think off is how to get people to like me No one is nice to me - they're all so extreme. I hate my life and I want to die." Sad

It was devastating (although I was part impressed, part horrified to hear him genuinely use the words; 'method', 'extreme' and 'crap' - quite, erm adult?!). I have seriously never been so heartbroken and had to stop myself from crying at just how broken my little man has become. He looked exhausted. He couldn't even breath, he was crying so hard. He was pleading with me to help him. He even wrote me a letter, apologising for calling that girl a loser - as if that was the big bloody problem. I'm so genuinely gutted to see this normally happy, bright little boy so nervy and despondent. This is no way for him to live. I am so angry with his teacher - why is she doing this to him? I kept him off school today - my conscience wouldn't let me send him to be looked after by this woman. I have made another appointment with the deputy head on Monday and this time, I'm going to get pissed off. Angry

I understand that the school has to put the majority of the class first. But I genuinely don't believe that my son deserves this level of malignment for "being a bit annoying". Please mumsnetters - have I got this all wrong? what the hell should I do?! Sad

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madwomanintheattic · 03/12/2010 15:02

op, you will lose all credibility if you lose it with the teacher or the ht, or anyone else. breaking down and crying in front of the ht/ chair of govs etc will help your cause as it will show your level of concern. starting a shouting match and losing your temper will be utterly counter-productive, and won't help ds or any other children in his situation.

ThatVikRinA22 · 03/12/2010 15:04

altkinmum - the op mentions autism in her opening post.

i am simply passing on my experiences as the mother of a child who happens to have aspergers but who had very similar experiences at school.

the advice would be the same from me whether her child has AS or not....the bullying is a problem and needs to be tackled and IPSEA can give advice on that.

www.ipsea.org.uk/

HecTheHallsWithBoughsOfHolly · 03/12/2010 15:05

Just get your son the hell out of there. Nothing else matters.

Joolyjoolyjoo · 03/12/2010 15:06

Your story is so sad- it must be so awful for your ds AND you Sad I've no great words of wisdom, I'm afraid, but I think I'd be leaning towards changing schools too, but not before making sure I caused as much trouble as possible for this unsupportive disgraceful school.

Really hope you get something sorted out soon

Chrysanthemum5 · 03/12/2010 15:07

What about the other class the school mentioned? Although I wonder if he would still be bullied at playtimes etc. I would certainly keep him out for the rest of the term if possible - he needs to know that you will protect him.

And I'd second the thing about activities with other children, if he has friends outside his school it will help him see he's a lovely boy that people like.

I would contact the HT to tell her/him you are keeping him out and contacting the govenors.

Just wanted to say how sorry I am.

defineme · 03/12/2010 15:07

Yes you must get the head involved at primary. My friend's dd was being bullied and after 2 meetings with the class teacher where nothing much happened, she wrote a letter detaling the bullying and referring in detail to the bullying policy and handed it to the head. The head called on her that night at home and personally apologised to her dd. The bully has been dealt with and it's over.

I do think a change of class is worth a try unless your ds is not up to it?

defineme · 03/12/2010 15:10

Agree-I have gained extra concern when I've (unintentionally)welled up at meetings, but getting cross/abusive never helps. I do think a quiet word with the teacher after he's moved is fine-no need to be abusive, but you can be blunt.

Tolalola · 03/12/2010 15:10

Ugh this thread is just so so asd. Please take him out of school. Don't make him go back there. You need to protect him.

LBsmum · 03/12/2010 15:11

Would second the idea of re-writing your post and sending to head and governors.

Any right-minded person, let alone those involved in promoting the well being of children, would be horrified by your son's situation.

follow up with an urgent meeting with the head

kettlecrisps · 03/12/2010 15:12

I'd move him too as the school in general doesn't sound very supportive or friendly environment and you son sounds a sensitive boy that needs both. I'd make lots of appointments with other schools and their heads and sit down and have a good chat about the school and how they could help your son.

Also I would write a formal complaint letter to head/governors and anyone else relevant.

Also perhaps start a thread about tips for his behaviour. I think around this age children are becoming a bit more aware and perhaps know they are repeating certain behaviours that are annoying other people but don't have the intellect yet to work out a different way of behaving. This in itself can make the child unhappy - my son started expressing frustration about his own behaviour around this age.

I know my son went through similar problems and we did a lot of I guess role play. I'd advised him to observe the behaviour of children at school that were considered popular/well behaved and see if we could practice it. It did really help him. He'd been a real fidget/constantly commenting on what the teacher said and managed to change it.

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ThatVikRinA22 · 03/12/2010 15:14

changing schools is not always the answer - i found that out aswell.

if your son has a sensory disorder then that would be classed as a special educational need. phone IPSEA.

my son went to 2 schools throughout his primary years. in the end, the school he ended up at was worse than the one he left, but it did mean he went to a small catholic secondary school, which suited his needs better. A school is as good as its headteacher. and the HT was a man who was stuck in the dark ages where special needs were concerned. 8 professional people told him exactly how to make life easier for both themselves and my son, and it was wasted. i went to the governers and the LEA. they understand tribunals because that costs them money and they have to start listening then...i went through hell with my boy. i never knew what to do - leave him in school, home educate, move schools, fight the school, i just went round and round in circles because i didnt dare push it.

be a squeaky wheel. and phone ipsea. they will at least help you decide what to do next.

schoolsecretary · 03/12/2010 15:15

The problem seems to be the teacher, becuase if I read your post right, he was a happy little boy in year three, so if the class has not be re-organised then the only new factor is the teacher! and if the teacher is so blatantly anti your DS then the children will take their lead from her.

I had a similar situation with my DS in year 3,small school one form entry, always happy loving school. enter NQT male teacher and the year went to hell.... I spent more time at the school complaining about the teacher than I had spent in the previous 4 years. On a number of occassions I would arrive to collect, to be met with "can I have a word?" X has been disruptive, messing, annoying everyone else! But DS would say "sir said I was stupid, and then some of the girls did and when I told them to stop he told me off",

I arrived at school one afternoon to find teacher on the yard, no sign of DS, I asked one of his friends where he was and he said "in there crying". I went into the classroom to find son in the corner of the room in floods of tears... and a group of the class witches standing over him telling him he shouldn't have done that , it was wrong. I chased them and asked what was wrong. It turned out DS had been told by the teacher to pick up the pencils, that someone else had spilt, off the floor under the desk. Whilst he was down their teacher told class to put their chairs under the desks, basically trapping DS under the desk. He pushed one of the chairs out of the way to get out and pushed it against one of the witches, the teacher had told him off for hurting her and her mates had rounded on DS. Teacher had then dismissed the class and was on the yard gabbing to parents, whilst son was being verbally abused by these girls.Shock

I went on to the yard, and yelled at the teacher in front of everyone I told him he was a useless waste of space and that he would never work with children again if I had anyting to do with it Shock.(not normally what I would advise or condone).

Sorry that's a bit rambling but son had a year from hell with lots of nasty comments from other kids.All caused by the teacher. Year 4 they had a very senior teacher whom they had had in reception and year 2 and son went back to being a popular happy little boy with a core group of good friends.

I hope you get your DS sorted. If changing school is what it takes then do it. I never considered that but I had great faith in the head and other staff, plus DD was in Reception so would have meant distrupting her.

FingandJeffing · 03/12/2010 15:17

Try to move him to another school as soon as possible. Your poor little guy.

Try to get hold of a book called the 'Unwritten rules of friendship' The victimisation of your son by the children and the teacher are not his fault but you will need to work on his confidence and social skills as they will have taken lots of knocks over the last term. A new hobby might be good too.

I would complain to the governors too about your sons terrible treatment.

coatgate · 03/12/2010 15:17

Your poor, poor son. Lots of great advice on here - only you can know if there is a school that would suit him more in your locality.

But I would say that something should be done about the teacher. She sounds quite deranged. And the change in your son began immediately he went into her class. Not sure what you can do, but I would certainly want to see her brought to book.

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Habanera · 03/12/2010 15:21

could you consider home ed even for a while?

definitely I would look at other schools, but I would take him straight out if you can and have him assessed for any proiblems like ASD.

Four forms is enormous isn't it? What a terrible school.

ThatVikRinA22 · 03/12/2010 15:21

OP - why not try posting in the special needs part of the site - you could do with Wet Augusts advice....she is fantastic. she took on her LEA and won with knobs on, and there are some fab posters with the type of expertise you could do with.

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tigitigi · 03/12/2010 15:24

My heart breaks for you and your little boy. I had teachers like this when I was a kid and I really feel for him.

I would speak to the governors and possibly your county councillor as well (county council is responsible for schools). May be worth talking to his teacher from last year tog et some perspective on this as well from her point of view as she knows your kid very well.

Checked with DH who is a teacher - when things have been allowed to get to this far it is difficult to rectify (even when the teachers have a will) and another class or even school might have to be the answer.

Don't loose it with the teacher but do keep a written record of every encounter, evening and a diary of your son after school - what he says how he feels etc.

Make sure that as far as possible from now on you meet with the school to discuss this with either your ex, DH or his other half present - you all know/love your kid and you will need support with the school and ensure that they are sending a consistent message.

I hope this sorts out soon - no little kid should feel like this.

ThatVikRinA22 · 03/12/2010 15:26

ive linked this thread to special needs -education

so many people on there have been through the same things and im sure their experiences could help here. hope you dont mind OP

SummerRain · 03/12/2010 15:28

Even if you do move him to a different school (which i wholeheartedly agree is the best option) I think you still need to bring the matter to the head teacher and the LEA... they need to be aware of the massive staff failings in the school.

My ds1 is a bit different too, he's currently being assessed for dyspraxia and although the teacher has struggled to understand his quirks, and there were initial hiccups in relation to his fidgeting and disorganisation, once his areas of difficulty were explained to her she made every effort to adjust the way she deals with him in class appropriately and the other children accept him as is, he's hilariously popular actually considering he's not massively pushed on playing with other children.

It does sound like the parents of the children involved could have encouraged this behaviour judging by the way they react to you. Take heart though... that's not the norm either, a new school could bring new friendships for you too. I'm 26 and have 3 children, we live in a little rural village where neither dp nor myself are locals and apart from myself and a handful of other mothers at the school the vast majority of parents are in their 30's, 40's and even 50's and 60's in the case of a few dads. In my social circle of school mums I'm the youngest by 6 years and several of my close mummy friends are in their 40's. I'm pierced, tattooed and a young mum and they accept me as i come and made every effort to get to know me and include me in their plans when we moved here.

I'm so sorry for your little boy having to endure such cruelty, and for you having to watch him suffer. Take the excellent advice on this thread and get him the hell out of that school and cause an almighty fuss as to my you did so while you're at it!

Ormirian · 03/12/2010 15:28

Oh god Sad Poor lad.

geekygiraffe · 03/12/2010 15:28

Change schools. I went to two primary schools - one from age 5 to 8 where I was bullied, although nothing as disgusting as what's happening to your boy. It still affects me now (I'm 32!!).
Changed schools at 8 and I blossomed - absolutely loved school, had friends, etc.
Good luck X

TermFromHell · 03/12/2010 15:30

I to think a smaller school that's big on pastoral care would be more suited to his needs. I will really have to look into moving schools as an option. But first, I think I will keep him home for the rest of the term (only two weeks now) - maybe get the GP to sign him off with stress (don't know how that works, so will have to ask him). During this time, I will be speaking to anybody and everybody high up in that school and will be trying to stay calm!!!

He's visiting his dad this weekend, so I will talk to him about how serious things have gotten, ExDP only came round on Weds night and by yesterday things had got even worse! He's gonna be like; "how the bloody hell has this kicked off in one day?!" Confused DS's dad was more keen on DS staying put and working through the problem but once he hears about the teacher's latest stunt, he may well be all for a move. Hopefully his working hours will permit him to come with us to school next week.....

I have to pop to the shops to get some bits, but will be back a little later on - hopefully with some updates. In fact, I will keep you updated every step, as you have all been so kind. Thanks again everyone.

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