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My son had a breakdown last night. He's 8. What the hell should I do here?!

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TermFromHell · 03/12/2010 14:20

First of all, this could get lengthy so my apologies in advance. I'll try to keep it brief...

My son is eight years old. I may be biased here, but he is an absolute joy; kind, friendly, sensible, funny and very intelligent (with an aptitude for the more academic subjects which is also a plus)! Many people (aside from biased friends and family) have told me this, so I am assuming it's safe to believe it to be true! It is also a complete fluke and not the result of any wondrous parenting from his dad and I (who incidentally, were both terrors growing up)! Wink He really is a little star.

I was 18 when I had him (26 now) and my young age has never appeared to be a problem for any of us. His dad and I separated when he was a baby (too young) but remain friends and his dad has him nearly every weekend. We both met new partners fairly soon after the split, who we've remained with happily ever since and who love my DS like their own. It's all he's ever known and he has a happy family life - fairly standard these days I would have thought.

It took me by surprise how well he was to do at school. His dad was sporty and I was bright (but lazy) so it was a nice surprise for both of us! He has always enjoyed school, had fun, made friends and excelled academically. When he first started in reception, he was a little shy (only child thing maybe?) and showed some mildly autistic quirks (struggled with eye contact, loud noises, etc). But since then, he's positively blossomed!!!

.....until now.

I can quite clearly make the distinction between a bright, happy-go-lucky lad leaving his year 3 class at the start of the summer holidays to the miserable, lonely, exhausted lad I have in front of me today. I have literally watched him spiral into depression since the start of the Autumn term - it has been that blatant. Basically, he is being bullied.

It's a few of the lads in his class who are responsible, although there is a blatant ringleader in the midst. There has been the usual verbal bullying; "You're mum's poor" or "You're have and ugly face" or even; "You're disgusting and germy - go away - I never want to see you again". There has also been mental torture, such as everyone running away form him, refusing to play/ share/ sit-near/ etc.

Very worryingly, there is a degree of physical bullying as well. One very dismaying incident, involved one lad holding my DS up against a wall whilst another (the ringleader) punched him repeatedly in the stomach. This nasty creature, is very sly and quite a consummate liar (I've had him round for tea in previous years, so I'm on to him). He seems to enjoy torturing my DS until my DS lashes back out and gets into trouble himself. The lead bully seems quite happy to take a punch himself if it means he can get my son into trouble. My DS has told me of incidents where the bully has pinched, poked and punched him away from the teachers gaze. My DS is pretty patient and has described to me how he goes red in the face with anger and embarrassment and tries to close his eyes and screw up his face in an attempt not to hit the other child back. Eventually the other child will push and push until my DS snaps and clocks him one. My son is very tall, but quite skinny. He can handle himself but doesn't really want to have to. A gentle giant some might say.

This is bad enough, but the ringleader is also very manipulative and appears to have turned the entire class against my DS. He really is a social pariah. No one will play with him now and sharing space with him is done out of duress. My son is quite naive and not at all streetwise, so he doesn't know how to handle this at all. He is quite over-affectionate and will try to smile hug people to win them over as friends. They push him off and say; "Eurgh - you've got germs - get away from me"! He has even gotten into trouble with the staff for annoying people with his hugging. Something is very wrong here.

I don't even blame the bullies though really. No. The weak link here is the teacher. She seems to have it in for my son and that in turn has given the kids permission to have a go at him as well. She singles him out and embarrasses him. I was unimpressed with her the first time I met her (end of Sept). Prior to my son telling me about the bullying, she was complaining about his distractedness, fidgeting and over-affection. Fair enough. I was perfectly polite and co-operative - I always have been as I believe parents and teachers should be working together to help children. I asked her a simple question (if she would keep her eyes peeled for any 'behind-the-scenes' stuff that might be happening that could be effecting him). She quite defensively interrupted me twice as if if I was attacking her teaching. I wasn't, and made sure I repeated my request calmly. She also said his fidgeting made him and 'irritant' - even though he didn't mean to be. Weird. And not pleasant.

A few weeks later, it was parents evening. By this point, my son had told me he was being bullied and I had made an appointment with the deputy head later that same night to familiarise my self with the school's policy and ask what could be done. His class teacher was then overly complimentary and keen on my son! She had no choice but to compliment his school work (which is to a high standard anyway) but she seemed far more focused on his personality. I felt like she was paying me lip service. "Oh he's so great - he's one of my favourites actually! The other day, I had to tell him off for something and he looked so sad, I was heartbroken for the rest of the day. I can't bear it if he's off with me - he and I have a special bond", etc, etc... (even if that was true, get a bloody grip woman)! I wondered if she was saying all this stuff because she was paranoid about me possibly complaining about her to the deputy head later (I wasn't going to and didn't) or whether she says it to every parent? Who knows?! Later that night the deputy head was very helpful and promised to speak to the boys involved in the bullying and look out for DS's well being.

Except things went from bad to worse.

One particularly heartbreaking incident was quite recently. The children all went to the theatre as a day trip. I asked DS if he had enjoyed, which he said he had. I said to him; "who did you sit next to on the coach?!" and he replied; "No one". I said; "what do you mean? On the way there or on the way back?" "Both" he answered. It transpired that he had also been separated from the rest of the class during the show as well, sitting only next to a teacher with the class on the other side. In other words, his teachers had quite clearly either just left him on his own or blatantly separated him. Had he done anything wrong or naughty? No. This has been confirmed by staff.

When I spoke to the deputy head about this she said; "how does your DS feel about this?" to which I replied he had been matter-of-fact about it. She agreed that it was awful that he just accepted that he would always be left out. She mentioned the words 'class scapegoat' and started talking about moving him to another class in the year (it's a big school, with four form entry). I politely suggested that perhaps some of the bullies should be separated. She said she understood that but, to think of a large portion of the children in my DS's current class as a "lost cause" and that my DS would never quite fit in with them as they as rude, brash and rough - something my over-sensitive DS struggles with. She said even if she put the ringleader in another class, there are many kids in his current class cut from similar cloth and willing to fill said ringleaders shoes. And that basically, my DS needs "a bunch of nerds to hang around with" (I actually agree) and that there is a class with a vacancy coming up that has some nicer, more mature lads in it. Fine. Sounds good. Up to DS in the end though.

Meanwhile, his dad (working nights at the mo) phoned the school to confirm what was happening. It sounds like the deputy head had a very different conversation with him than she did with me, giving his dad pointers to share with DS on how to be less of an annoyance and how to make friends. If that's how the school feels, then fine but at least keep the message consistent between the two parents FFS!!!

Just yesterday, came the final straw for me. I went to pick my son up from school (yes, it is amazingly still open!) and he beamed when he saw me as he was coming out the door. I thought to myself; great - he looks like he's had a good day! He went over to his teacher and said "I see my mum" so that he could get permission to go. Teacher looked at me coldly and turned back to my DS and started having a real go at him - wagging her finger in his face and everything. This was in front of his fellow students, the others parents at the school and HIS OWN MOTHER!!! I was just about to go up and ask what the problem was when he ran over to me all deflated. I asked him was there a problem and did we have to go and speak to his teacher and what did he do wrong. He said no and we were free to go and that he would tell me the problem on the way to the car. So we left. After what happened next, I now really regret not marching up to the bitch and saying; "Do you really think it's wise to humiliate a child so publicly? How do you like it back?!" Angry

(As it turns out, DS had called one of the girls a 'loser' after she had snatched a school pencil off of him (that he had admittedly sucked the top of) and called him 'germy and disgusting'. Not nice of him (and I told him so) but he got the full blame - nothing on the female child. His teacher in the playground had said to him; "stop irritating people with your behaviour and try to get along with people.)

When we got back to the car, DS absolutely broke down. Horrendously so. I have never, ever seen him so upset in all my life. He was saying things like; "Everybody hates me so, so much. They're making my life hell - even the girls now. They always push me over and leave me out. Everyone runs away form me I had two friends and now they run away from me too. They call me names and punch and kick me. Sometimes they pretend to punch me and stop just before my face, which is even more annoying. I do things differently to them but they always pick on me for every. little. thing. Like if I hold my pen differently or if look at them and smile, they tell me off and boss me around. My methods are different at school and they always tell me I'm doing it wrong but I get lots right too. They always think they're right and I'm crap. I'm sick of it. I even stopped hugging everyone and they still hate me. Harry hugs everyone now and no one minds it when it's him. They all snatch things off me - even when they're mine. If I get put into a group, they all say; "oh no - not DS's name*" and the teacher never tells them off. She's always telling me off though. I can't concentrate on my work because all I can think off is how to get people to like me No one is nice to me - they're all so extreme. I hate my life and I want to die." Sad

It was devastating (although I was part impressed, part horrified to hear him genuinely use the words; 'method', 'extreme' and 'crap' - quite, erm adult?!). I have seriously never been so heartbroken and had to stop myself from crying at just how broken my little man has become. He looked exhausted. He couldn't even breath, he was crying so hard. He was pleading with me to help him. He even wrote me a letter, apologising for calling that girl a loser - as if that was the big bloody problem. I'm so genuinely gutted to see this normally happy, bright little boy so nervy and despondent. This is no way for him to live. I am so angry with his teacher - why is she doing this to him? I kept him off school today - my conscience wouldn't let me send him to be looked after by this woman. I have made another appointment with the deputy head on Monday and this time, I'm going to get pissed off. Angry

I understand that the school has to put the majority of the class first. But I genuinely don't believe that my son deserves this level of malignment for "being a bit annoying". Please mumsnetters - have I got this all wrong? what the hell should I do?! Sad

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NestaFiesta · 03/12/2010 16:07

Such a sad post and I feel for your DS Termfromhell.

IMO the teacher should be suspended and you should make a very loud noise about this. If this is how the school deals with bullying then they are failing in their duty of care and could potentially contribute to long term psychological damage.

Your DS thankfully has a secure family that loves him and that will be a massive help. Keep him off school and tell the Governers, The LEA, Ofsted, the Head, everyone. Don't stop until this changes. Its appalling and frightening that even an adult contributed to his bullying. They should be ashamed.

Oh and go to another school, of course.

LLKH · 03/12/2010 16:14

I have been that 8 year old. Your post is almost word for word what I went through. Developing early, and being an undiagnosed dyspraxic didn't help either.

My parents tried, but this was a small "progressive" school (teachers called by their first names and that) and kids were supposed to be allowed to express themselves. This was a good fit for some, but not for me. As we were new to the area, it took my parents a while to find a new school for me and they didn't manage until I was 12 which meant that every day for 4 years I was bullied. And it does have knock-on effects.

I resisted furiously the change in schools, but my first day at my new school, I couldn't believe how much more relaxed I felt simply by people being polite. I remember telling my mum at the end of the day "I had a really good day. People were nice to me".

So, I would say definitely try to switch your son into a different school and good for you for listening to him. The lesson that his parents are on his side will stay with him.

abenstille · 03/12/2010 16:15

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IHeartKingThistle · 03/12/2010 16:17

This is so sad, no child should have to go through this.

I am utterly Shock at the attitude of the HT - saying that with a few of the boys it was a 'lost cause'. That's just appalling - I know as a teacher how hard bullying is to stamp out and how you can't force them to get on or even ignore each other, but you NEVER, EVER stop trying or just accept that cruelty is going to happen. I send 16 year olds out of my set 4 class regularly for being mean to others - if nothing else they need the very clear message that it just isn't acceptable. We don't all have to like each other but FGS we can all be pleasant and civil and NO-ONE has the right to make your DS feel like he's got to accept his life being like this. I am steaming Angry on your and your ds's behalf.

Is his Year 3 teacher still at the school? Surely he/she is appalled by this?

Best of luck x

spikeycow · 03/12/2010 16:20

I can't add anything to what anyone else has said. I would ask you and others not to bring class and sink estates into it. That has nothing whatsoever to do with it. It's not "amazing" that you live in a well to do area and this is going on, severe bullying also occurs in private schools. Completely unnecessary

Casserole · 03/12/2010 16:22

Get your son OUT of that school.
He has asked you for help. He's crying out for it.
Please don't send him back on Monday. Give him an extended Christmas break.

In the meantime, put everything in writing to the Head and the Governors, and copy in the Director of Children, Schools and Families at your LA. Say that if an alternative place is not found for your son for the start of the new term you will instigate a Judicial Review.

Do not lose it with anyone; but be firm. Give dates, times and factual details of events, and make it very explicitly clear the effect the bullying is having on your family, but especially your son. Get your GP to back you up in writing, and any other professional you have a relationship with.

But do not, do NOT, send him back.

abenstille · 03/12/2010 16:24

Sorry, my first post just neede to test it was working.
My heart goes out to you. Im a primary school teacher and i fear that keeping your son at that school will not really work. The bullies seem to have persuaded the other nicer children that your ds is not a person to befriend. So moving your son into a parallel class only helps him out in lesson time. What about breaks, lunch, assemblies, trips, productions... Seems to me the problem has gone on too long/got too big. Id move him to a new school.
Try to think about what the bullies have been saying. Where do you think "poor" and "germy" have come from. Children are very sensative I think to haircuts and school coats/bags, things that a parent sometimes overlooks. Look at what the other kids wear and check that your son does not look like a misfit. One eg of this is my dp was moved from a grammer schoo, to a comp in the 70's and was sent with a briefcase (wtf?)- was obviously bullied for not fitting in. Im not trying to say you or your ds have done anything wrong btw just want a new start for hime to have optimum chance of sucess.
Talk to him also about hugging, who he should hug and when etc. It could be an indicator that he's not picking up on the subtle social norms.
Good luck, at least he has a brilliant mum

racmac · 03/12/2010 16:29

I havent read the whole thread - i just wanted to reply.

I would take him out of school immediately - de register him and HE him for a while - fix him with lots of care and love and then maybe next year think about returning him to a different school - absolutely do not accept this treatment of your son

HansieMom · 03/12/2010 16:37

I haven't read all five pages, and I almost did not read your entire first post as it was so gut wrenching.

I am sure many of the respondants have given you good advice, and they are nearer your age, I'm a grandmother.

But what I did want to say is that I think you should share your first message with your former husband, as you are so complementary of him. You two present an example of what parenting can be like after a split.

MrsMooo · 03/12/2010 16:38

I think you need to put your post into the form of a written complaint to both the head, and the board of Goveners.

In it clearly state you want a written response and plan of action from them on how they intend to tackle this.

I agree with others that taking him out and finding an alternative school is best in the long term as he needs a fresh start, but in the mean time you need them to tackle what is going on now, whilst you seek alternative arrangements for him

Good luck to you, I have no idea how you've not lost it with his teacher and I hope the situation improves quickly

verytellytubby · 03/12/2010 16:40

I couldn't actually read your whole post as I've got an 8 year old DD and I found it so distressing.

I definitely would move schools. I'd have a meeting with the headteacher on Monday and withdraw him for the rest of the term.

The teacher sounds a disgrace. I so feel for you. What a horrible situation.

MsKalo · 03/12/2010 16:48

Please don't let the teacher get away with this or in fact the school. They need to be reported and punished. Get your son out of that school! I know what you mean about living in a 'nice' area - I have found (ironically) that many of the kids are precocious, spoilt little brats who have no concept of how to treat others or behave! Good luck and make them pay!

bubbleymummy · 03/12/2010 16:49

So sad to read what your DS has been through. I think you should pull him out of school - last day of term for him should be today! Look into a new school for him but in the meantime could you HE? Use the opportunity to rebuild his confidence and join some new clubs where he can make new friends. Martial arts maybe or some kind of team sport where there would be a bit of camaraderie?

AbbyLou · 03/12/2010 16:50

Your OP made me cry. It is so sad. Your poor little boy. He sounds such a sweetheart. I am a teacher and I hate the bad publicity evil witches like your ds teacher give the profession. She sounds terrible. I would be very upset if I thought any child in my care ever felt anything even close to hoe he feels. I have been teaching for 12 years and at Parents Evening this year, for the first time ever, I had a parent tell me their child didn't like me Sad. I was devastated. She said her dd had given no reason, she just wasn't happy at school. I have worked really hard with that girl and seem to have turned things around by giving her special jobs, responsibilities etc. I have bent over backwards for her because I felt so upset that she felt like that. I can't believe a teacher would treat a child the wat she has treated yours. Get him out of the school for definite. You are doing the right thing keeping him at home. It shows him you are doing something and that will help him feel you are on his side. If you don't get a positive response from your meeting on Monday I would contact Ofsted as well as the Governors. They are big into safeguarding at the moment and that school are not keeping your ds safe. A school can fail an Ofsted inspection now on Safeguarding issues alone and this incident could cause serious harm to the school in the eyes of Ofsted. Not the be all and end all of course from your point of view but the school should take it seriously. I really hope you get some answers. Fwiw I would definitely look at a new school with a more nurturing perspective. In the meantime, do loads of lovely things with him like baking, craft etc to cheer him up.

LovestheChaos · 03/12/2010 16:55

OMG god that school sounds horrible. It sounds like you have such a gorgeous child. That teacher is a bitch. Is there not some organisation that you can report them too?

Bastards.

LovestheChaos · 03/12/2010 16:57

Oh and second the notion about pulling him out of school.

QuickLookBusy · 03/12/2010 17:10

Term I just wanted to say whatever you do you must have at the forefront of your mind and you must remnd your DS, that he was very happy and a "little star" until only 3 months ago.

Something has obviouly happened within the last 3 months to change your DS. i.e. his bitch of a teacher.

If he thrived at this school before I personally think I would at least meet with the head, talk about what she intends to do about your DSs sudden unhappiness, and dare I say it meet with the other year teachers to see if there is one who you and your DS would be happy with. I would also insist that his teacher from last year was involved, he was happy in her class and she will know him very well.

I only say this as I think it is a shame for him to move when you and DS were very happy before. Obviously if you do not have positive vibes and a grovelling appology from the teacher and head about your DSs treatment I would go elsewhere.

Good Luck x

TheArsenicCupCake · 03/12/2010 17:12

Haven't read the whole thread.. But did read the too familiar OP.

My advice.. Ring school on Monday say he will not be in.. Then write a letter to the head..CC in the chair of govenors... Ask them to respond in writing.
In the letter you state the words.. Duty of care.. Every child matters... Mental and emotional and physical harm being caused to your child. And ask them for bullying, behavioural policies .. And for a copy of their complaints procedure.
Make a formal complaint about the teacher.. And ask what they intend to do about it and to ensure ds's saftey.
( basically you need a paper trail).
Then call the LEA and you can also talk to parent partnership ( some are good some are bad).
Then look for another school.. If you can't find one straight away.. Tell the lea you expect them to provide an alternative educational solution until your son can be placed in a setting of education where his saftey is not at risk and his is not being harmed.

In the mean time if your ds has asd traits get a referal to a developmental peadriation(sp)..

MrsNonSmoker · 03/12/2010 17:21

A couple of years ago, I was you and my DD1 was your DS same age. I decided to move schools. Some of it has been successful, some not so. Most people still think I am completely mad. I often thought I should have fought it, gone through the whole complaints process to the ombudsman. Reading your post made me realise why I didn't; just move him.

I am now a governor at my DDs' new school, things aren't perfect there but everyone bends over backwards to sort out problems and resolving any sort of bullying is top of their list. My DD1 is now prepared for secondary school with her self respect intact whereas before she was beaten into the ground by it all.

At this age it doesn't matter if he misses a few weeks of school. Move him.

Let us know how you get on?

CheekyWeeBauble · 03/12/2010 17:22

Poor wee thing. I really feel for him (I was bullied at school and it was a great fear of mine that any of mine would be) - and you. If he were mine, I wouldn't let him go back. Take him out now, and try to find another school with better pastoral care BUT I wouldn't let this go with the school. They need to know of this teacher's shortcomings because like you said, he was fine in Year 3. Go in with your little boy's dad to see the head and let rip tell him what you have told us here. You are a brilliant mum.

Will be thinking of you.

poobumfartbollocks · 03/12/2010 17:23

Term - I am sitting here in tears reading about your poor DS.

You could be describing my DD2 in P1 and half of P2 (age 4/5/6).

Take him out.

Today.

Don't send him back and tell them why you're not doing so. Ring the Education authorities (I'm in Northern Ireland so the set up is different here) and tell them what you've put in your OP.

Find him a nice friendly school where he will be loved and cherished for the wonderful wee boy he is.

Send him to that new school.

And then wipe the floor with the old head and teacher.

I called DD2's old head a total fuckwit dickhead to his face.

The only regret I have is that it took me so long to shift her and that I gave them so many chances.

Hugs to you and your DS. And I don't care if they're Un-MNetty Grin

whiteliesaregoodlies · 03/12/2010 17:30

Mishy1234 sorry I was doing the dcs some tea.

In reply to your question - I stood stunned as the boy concerned smirked at what he'd done. I asked if he thought that was an OK way to treat someone else. The smirk never faded. I walked out of the school with ds, phoned dh and told him we were moving schools.

spikeycow the school concerned (read my post) was a private one. One where bullying was written off as "high spirits" and where the teachers were powerless to tackle the pushy parents. You're right - bullying exists in every type of school. What sets one apart from the other is how it is dealt with.

HelenaRose · 03/12/2010 17:31

Get him out of school. Now. Don't ever take him back there; you've seen what it does to him.

I want to die
Please take his words seriously; don't ignore the danger of depression, self-harm or suicide just because he's so young. Take him to a doctor - not for meds, before I get flamed - perhaps there are places where he can get some help and counselling. He's obviously desperately unhappy.

Give that teacher hell on Monday. Angry

JamieLeeCurtis · 03/12/2010 17:38

I would also not hesitate to pull him out of this school, in this situation. Yes, there may be ways in which your DS could be helped to socialise better etc, but with the state he is in now, and the damage to his self-esteem as it is, I think that is going to be very very hard. Unfortunately, I think that once a child has learned to fear school as much as this, they are too anxious to be able to behave normally and manage problems. They can become "annoying" to other children because they simply don't know how to behave to please people.

My DS1 was bullied at this age, no-where near as badly as your DS, and it has dented his self-esteem. The school took it very seriously. He was never once scape-goated (he too is sensitive, but that is NEVER a reason to let the bullies get away with hurting other people).

I took him to CAHMS after he started to talk about killing himself. I encouraged his friendships with children out of school, and he goes to Cubs, which IME is brilliant at giving children confidence and encouraging co-operation over competitiveness.

He is now back to the happy boy he was.

I think with a fresh start and your support he will be fine. My heart goes out to you.

MrsNonSmoker · 03/12/2010 17:39

I want to die - children of this age do say these things as they have no concept of what that means, don't take it too literally, I know how it feels to hear your child say that. However, I always recommend Young Minds here www.youngminds.org.uk/ - they give telephone support to Mums in your position.

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