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My son had a breakdown last night. He's 8. What the hell should I do here?!

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TermFromHell · 03/12/2010 14:20

First of all, this could get lengthy so my apologies in advance. I'll try to keep it brief...

My son is eight years old. I may be biased here, but he is an absolute joy; kind, friendly, sensible, funny and very intelligent (with an aptitude for the more academic subjects which is also a plus)! Many people (aside from biased friends and family) have told me this, so I am assuming it's safe to believe it to be true! It is also a complete fluke and not the result of any wondrous parenting from his dad and I (who incidentally, were both terrors growing up)! Wink He really is a little star.

I was 18 when I had him (26 now) and my young age has never appeared to be a problem for any of us. His dad and I separated when he was a baby (too young) but remain friends and his dad has him nearly every weekend. We both met new partners fairly soon after the split, who we've remained with happily ever since and who love my DS like their own. It's all he's ever known and he has a happy family life - fairly standard these days I would have thought.

It took me by surprise how well he was to do at school. His dad was sporty and I was bright (but lazy) so it was a nice surprise for both of us! He has always enjoyed school, had fun, made friends and excelled academically. When he first started in reception, he was a little shy (only child thing maybe?) and showed some mildly autistic quirks (struggled with eye contact, loud noises, etc). But since then, he's positively blossomed!!!

.....until now.

I can quite clearly make the distinction between a bright, happy-go-lucky lad leaving his year 3 class at the start of the summer holidays to the miserable, lonely, exhausted lad I have in front of me today. I have literally watched him spiral into depression since the start of the Autumn term - it has been that blatant. Basically, he is being bullied.

It's a few of the lads in his class who are responsible, although there is a blatant ringleader in the midst. There has been the usual verbal bullying; "You're mum's poor" or "You're have and ugly face" or even; "You're disgusting and germy - go away - I never want to see you again". There has also been mental torture, such as everyone running away form him, refusing to play/ share/ sit-near/ etc.

Very worryingly, there is a degree of physical bullying as well. One very dismaying incident, involved one lad holding my DS up against a wall whilst another (the ringleader) punched him repeatedly in the stomach. This nasty creature, is very sly and quite a consummate liar (I've had him round for tea in previous years, so I'm on to him). He seems to enjoy torturing my DS until my DS lashes back out and gets into trouble himself. The lead bully seems quite happy to take a punch himself if it means he can get my son into trouble. My DS has told me of incidents where the bully has pinched, poked and punched him away from the teachers gaze. My DS is pretty patient and has described to me how he goes red in the face with anger and embarrassment and tries to close his eyes and screw up his face in an attempt not to hit the other child back. Eventually the other child will push and push until my DS snaps and clocks him one. My son is very tall, but quite skinny. He can handle himself but doesn't really want to have to. A gentle giant some might say.

This is bad enough, but the ringleader is also very manipulative and appears to have turned the entire class against my DS. He really is a social pariah. No one will play with him now and sharing space with him is done out of duress. My son is quite naive and not at all streetwise, so he doesn't know how to handle this at all. He is quite over-affectionate and will try to smile hug people to win them over as friends. They push him off and say; "Eurgh - you've got germs - get away from me"! He has even gotten into trouble with the staff for annoying people with his hugging. Something is very wrong here.

I don't even blame the bullies though really. No. The weak link here is the teacher. She seems to have it in for my son and that in turn has given the kids permission to have a go at him as well. She singles him out and embarrasses him. I was unimpressed with her the first time I met her (end of Sept). Prior to my son telling me about the bullying, she was complaining about his distractedness, fidgeting and over-affection. Fair enough. I was perfectly polite and co-operative - I always have been as I believe parents and teachers should be working together to help children. I asked her a simple question (if she would keep her eyes peeled for any 'behind-the-scenes' stuff that might be happening that could be effecting him). She quite defensively interrupted me twice as if if I was attacking her teaching. I wasn't, and made sure I repeated my request calmly. She also said his fidgeting made him and 'irritant' - even though he didn't mean to be. Weird. And not pleasant.

A few weeks later, it was parents evening. By this point, my son had told me he was being bullied and I had made an appointment with the deputy head later that same night to familiarise my self with the school's policy and ask what could be done. His class teacher was then overly complimentary and keen on my son! She had no choice but to compliment his school work (which is to a high standard anyway) but she seemed far more focused on his personality. I felt like she was paying me lip service. "Oh he's so great - he's one of my favourites actually! The other day, I had to tell him off for something and he looked so sad, I was heartbroken for the rest of the day. I can't bear it if he's off with me - he and I have a special bond", etc, etc... (even if that was true, get a bloody grip woman)! I wondered if she was saying all this stuff because she was paranoid about me possibly complaining about her to the deputy head later (I wasn't going to and didn't) or whether she says it to every parent? Who knows?! Later that night the deputy head was very helpful and promised to speak to the boys involved in the bullying and look out for DS's well being.

Except things went from bad to worse.

One particularly heartbreaking incident was quite recently. The children all went to the theatre as a day trip. I asked DS if he had enjoyed, which he said he had. I said to him; "who did you sit next to on the coach?!" and he replied; "No one". I said; "what do you mean? On the way there or on the way back?" "Both" he answered. It transpired that he had also been separated from the rest of the class during the show as well, sitting only next to a teacher with the class on the other side. In other words, his teachers had quite clearly either just left him on his own or blatantly separated him. Had he done anything wrong or naughty? No. This has been confirmed by staff.

When I spoke to the deputy head about this she said; "how does your DS feel about this?" to which I replied he had been matter-of-fact about it. She agreed that it was awful that he just accepted that he would always be left out. She mentioned the words 'class scapegoat' and started talking about moving him to another class in the year (it's a big school, with four form entry). I politely suggested that perhaps some of the bullies should be separated. She said she understood that but, to think of a large portion of the children in my DS's current class as a "lost cause" and that my DS would never quite fit in with them as they as rude, brash and rough - something my over-sensitive DS struggles with. She said even if she put the ringleader in another class, there are many kids in his current class cut from similar cloth and willing to fill said ringleaders shoes. And that basically, my DS needs "a bunch of nerds to hang around with" (I actually agree) and that there is a class with a vacancy coming up that has some nicer, more mature lads in it. Fine. Sounds good. Up to DS in the end though.

Meanwhile, his dad (working nights at the mo) phoned the school to confirm what was happening. It sounds like the deputy head had a very different conversation with him than she did with me, giving his dad pointers to share with DS on how to be less of an annoyance and how to make friends. If that's how the school feels, then fine but at least keep the message consistent between the two parents FFS!!!

Just yesterday, came the final straw for me. I went to pick my son up from school (yes, it is amazingly still open!) and he beamed when he saw me as he was coming out the door. I thought to myself; great - he looks like he's had a good day! He went over to his teacher and said "I see my mum" so that he could get permission to go. Teacher looked at me coldly and turned back to my DS and started having a real go at him - wagging her finger in his face and everything. This was in front of his fellow students, the others parents at the school and HIS OWN MOTHER!!! I was just about to go up and ask what the problem was when he ran over to me all deflated. I asked him was there a problem and did we have to go and speak to his teacher and what did he do wrong. He said no and we were free to go and that he would tell me the problem on the way to the car. So we left. After what happened next, I now really regret not marching up to the bitch and saying; "Do you really think it's wise to humiliate a child so publicly? How do you like it back?!" Angry

(As it turns out, DS had called one of the girls a 'loser' after she had snatched a school pencil off of him (that he had admittedly sucked the top of) and called him 'germy and disgusting'. Not nice of him (and I told him so) but he got the full blame - nothing on the female child. His teacher in the playground had said to him; "stop irritating people with your behaviour and try to get along with people.)

When we got back to the car, DS absolutely broke down. Horrendously so. I have never, ever seen him so upset in all my life. He was saying things like; "Everybody hates me so, so much. They're making my life hell - even the girls now. They always push me over and leave me out. Everyone runs away form me I had two friends and now they run away from me too. They call me names and punch and kick me. Sometimes they pretend to punch me and stop just before my face, which is even more annoying. I do things differently to them but they always pick on me for every. little. thing. Like if I hold my pen differently or if look at them and smile, they tell me off and boss me around. My methods are different at school and they always tell me I'm doing it wrong but I get lots right too. They always think they're right and I'm crap. I'm sick of it. I even stopped hugging everyone and they still hate me. Harry hugs everyone now and no one minds it when it's him. They all snatch things off me - even when they're mine. If I get put into a group, they all say; "oh no - not DS's name*" and the teacher never tells them off. She's always telling me off though. I can't concentrate on my work because all I can think off is how to get people to like me No one is nice to me - they're all so extreme. I hate my life and I want to die." Sad

It was devastating (although I was part impressed, part horrified to hear him genuinely use the words; 'method', 'extreme' and 'crap' - quite, erm adult?!). I have seriously never been so heartbroken and had to stop myself from crying at just how broken my little man has become. He looked exhausted. He couldn't even breath, he was crying so hard. He was pleading with me to help him. He even wrote me a letter, apologising for calling that girl a loser - as if that was the big bloody problem. I'm so genuinely gutted to see this normally happy, bright little boy so nervy and despondent. This is no way for him to live. I am so angry with his teacher - why is she doing this to him? I kept him off school today - my conscience wouldn't let me send him to be looked after by this woman. I have made another appointment with the deputy head on Monday and this time, I'm going to get pissed off. Angry

I understand that the school has to put the majority of the class first. But I genuinely don't believe that my son deserves this level of malignment for "being a bit annoying". Please mumsnetters - have I got this all wrong? what the hell should I do?! Sad

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classydiva · 03/12/2010 14:43

You need to change his school and you need to do it now.

He cried out for help before, you went to the school and the situation is getting worse.

If that was my son I wouldn't let him go back there.

Stuff like this results in borderline personality disorders later on, seriously as a sufferer you don't want that.

This could affect him forever if you don't do something about it.

Get him out of that school and send him somewhere else. Make sure you put in writing in the strongest terms how your son is being treated and bullied in part by the teacher too.

Please, I beg you, help your son.

posey · 03/12/2010 14:44

You have tried to sort this out with the school. They have completely failed you and your ds. He sounds an absolute darling.
Put him in another school. Don't send him back there to have his self-esteem, his spirit, crushed.
I am truly disgusted at this terrible behaviour on the part of the teacher. If it were my ds (same age), I would never return to the school.

constantlytired · 03/12/2010 14:44

Your 8 year old son says he wants to die, i think that is more than serious enough to warrant taking your DS out of this school Sad ... The kids will keep bullying as they know they can get away with it...my best wishes to you both, please let us know how you get on..xx

ChickensHaveNoMercyForTurkeys · 03/12/2010 14:44

New school. ASAP.

dracschick · 03/12/2010 14:44

Ive been where you are.

My son was bullied by his teacher,it was proven- I might be able to help you? inbox me if you like or you can ask me anything on here.

curlymama · 03/12/2010 14:46

Do you have any other schools nearby OP?

I would agree that taking him to the GP might be a good idea. At the very least it may show him that there are adults outside his home that care about his welfare and that he can trust.

When you get him into a new school, make an appointment to see his class teacher and the head teacher, tell them what has happened and ask for an assesment from and Educational Psycologist.

LBsmum · 03/12/2010 14:46

What a sad story, really feel for you and DS

The scale of the bullying seems such that I can't see how its not apparant to the teachers, you seriously need to address this directly with the school head.

My instinct is to say change schools, for a fresh start but don't know if this is just runnning away and potentially counter productive for your son

Hope you see some improvements soon

Thingiebob · 03/12/2010 14:47

Oh you poor things. Your son's mental health and happiness is paramount. Take him out of this school if at all possible. Even if it is just temporarily and I second the other poster who suggested getting advice from a bullying charity.

Complain to the governors about the teacher. She sounds severely unprofessional.

HeroWantage · 03/12/2010 14:47

I am so sad for your lovely little boy. Change schools now, and make sure that you tell him that you know that he's wonderful, that it won't always be like this; it will change, you will change it together, and he will have some good friends one day.

MrsYamadasnoggedSanta · 03/12/2010 14:47

Your poor boy, that's horrendous. I wouldn't take him back to school until this was sorted, actually I wouldn't take him back at all. It doesn't sound like anyone there has done anything to prevent these children bullying your son. That teacher should be sacked.

Miggsie · 03/12/2010 14:48

This is truly dreadful and yes, I agree, if you can move your son, do so.

However, your post is excellent, rewrte it slightly and send it to the governors and the LEA. Raise concerns about the teacher condoning bullying with the LEA as well as the head and the governors.

The fact you and your DH are being told different stories is bad as well, I have experienced similar situations where I was basically ignored but when DH got involved everyone changed their tune. You and your DH, and perhaps DS father (have I read this correctly? He has dad plus step dad in his life?) all of you should go in and go through every incident and ask the teachers to explain themselves. I would also document and record this conversation where possible. JUst ask them to explain themselves and wait all day if necessary to get a decent answer. Don't get angry, just put your points and ask for clarification.

The school has failed in duty of care
The school has told two parents 2 different things
The teacher has exhibited bullying behaviour in front of a great many people
The school seems not actually to be bothered hen an issue is raised

Anice · 03/12/2010 14:52

scare that teacher.... she should not have treated him that way. Clearly she needs guidance on how to behave so let her know that she will have you to deal with if she bullies your son again, not your little boy.

But mainly just move school. The school has handled it so badly that this reputation your son has gained will stick with him whichever class, so you need a fresh start for him.

Poor little man. Do what you can to reassure him that the whole world is not like this one school.

amijee · 03/12/2010 14:52

I'm not sure changing schools is the answer - especially as we only have one side of the story and not the one of the school's.

I do agree that your poor DS needs to see a GP and also the school nurse. And if I were in your shoes, I would try and show a united front with your ex DP and organise various meetings with the head teacher and LEA.

If all fails, then I guess changing school would be last resort.

mumbar · 03/12/2010 14:53

Your poor DS Sad

Have had a simlilar experience with my DS so can empathse a little - although yours is beyond disgrace. Sad and Angry.

I agree that your DS needs a fresh start. I would be looking for a school that will involve a SENCo from the start.

It may be your DS has some sort of ASD (aspergers maybe?) but it doesn't mean he cannot and shouldn't be allowed to fit in. FFS a teacher saying he's irritating, DS yr R teacher said this about him to which I replied a teacher without any compassion or understanding for children is irritating to a parent so we'd have to agree to disagree on that one. Wink.

FWIW re the pencil incident I personally think calling someone a loser isn't as bad as physically snatching something from a child - and don't worry about the chewing my DS still does this too, apparently its some kind of stimulation thing.

I really want to come to you and your DS and hug you both very unmumsnetely. And as for trying to get his father to effectivly 'man him up'.....who the feck do they think they are. Angry.

Keep in touch on here and let us know how it goes.

Marne · 03/12/2010 14:56

How Sad for both of you, i really feel for you, i have a dd1(almost 7) who has Aspergers and often gets treated badly at school (by other children), she goes to a very small school (80 children) and the staff are good with her and try to team her up with other children. Dd1 often has breakdowns and it breaks my heart to hear her say 'no one likes me' and 'i have no friends' Sad.

What your ds is going through is unexceptable, the school sounds like a night-mare, they are singling your ds out which will only make things worse with the bullies. Your ds needs support and reasurance, his self esteem must be so lo Sad.

If you can (like others have said), i would take him out, school breaks up for christmas in 2 weeks, take him out now, enjoy christmas and then decide what to do next.

defineme · 03/12/2010 14:57

I would not send him back to the class-paramount is that he sees that you will protect him-because if not you then who?

Bullet point what you've written and make a lot of copies. Hand it out at the school meeting. Go and see your gp-emergency appointment today? Give it to gp too and describe son's 'breakdown'.

It's up to you -do you feel a change of class could sort it (this class and teacher is beyond hope)? If so then accept that -it must be immediate he's not to go back in other class as of now, but would breaks/lunch be ok with new class?

Make it obvious that you have copies of this letter at the meeting.
Don't get emotional/bogged down with attacking the teacher-you need to sort out your son's move.

If you are not happy then he neeeds to move schools-I don't know how you do this but I know people do it.

The hope I have is trhat your ds was happy up to now-so with a different teacher and away from main bully perhapsd he'll be back to his old self.

After you've sorted it out feel free to go and tell the teacher that blaming a child for being irritating whilst he's being bullied on her watch shoukld make her feel very very ashamed and that she needs some serious retraining.

takethatlady · 03/12/2010 14:57

Oh my goodness this is so disgusting.

I really feel for you that you felt you had to tell us what a lovely boy your son is - because the school have made you feel like you have to justify that. The fact is that it is NEVER the bullied person's fault that they are being bullied.

My DH is a secondary school teacher and the minute he sees any kind of cruel behaviour he immediately clamps down on it. He tells his classes that they have to support each other and look after each other no matter what. It's not that they have to like each other, but that EVEN IF one child finds another child annoying/irritating THAT IS NOT AN EXCUSE to treat them with cruelty or rudeness.

Not that I'm saying your son is annoying or irritating - I'm sure he's not (he's 8, FGS!) - but that even if other kids do find him annoying that is NO EXCUSE for the teacher to CONDONE BULLYING. That's what these teachers are doing.

The fact that when that teacher was sucking up to you she said he was 'one of her favourites' just shows what an idiot she is - teachers should not be favouritising any children or choosing which ones they do and don't like and treating them differently. It is not their job to forge bonds with some children over others. It IS part of their job to ensure there is fairness and kindness in the classroom.

Bullying is never acceptable and this school is absolutely disgusting. If you can't move your son (and I hope you can) you need to threaten the school with telling the LEA, the local media, Citizen's Advice, Ofsted and any other organisation you can possibly think of about their negligent and disgraceful attitude to bullying.

I really hope you and your son get through this and I'm so glad he has such a supportive mum.

ThatVikRinA22 · 03/12/2010 14:57

your post could have been written by me 10 years ago. my son (now 19) was diagnosed with Aspergers (and dyslexia at 16!! he got to 16 with that being dx! he still got a B at GCSE) but like yours is very able, just did things differently.

his primary school years were very much in the same vein as your describing for your son. i will give you the benefit of my advice - and advice which i wish i had followed myself.

the teachers at DS school were the same, they blamed him for the bullying, he was referred to an ed psyche who blamed me, and told me to throw a party for him, no one turned up. that was the last time i ever listened to their crap - i went on instinct. i went down the route of getting a formal dx so i could ram it back in their faces, and they could no longer blame the parenting...but each to their own on that score. it helped DS, and it helped me. but the school although they accepted the dx, did nothing to help ds, i went in with leaflets, books, things on circle time and mentoring, they didnt give a stuff. it was their way or no way.

i removed my son from school, but i always stopped short of pushing it any further which i now bitterely regret. after many many meetings he went back, but because i hadnt pushed it to its limits - ie - taken them to tribunal - nothing much changed.

regardless of whether or not your son has any underlying condition, the bullying needs tackling but i would say that with a school that accepts it so easily you could be fighting a losing battle, but you could try and take them to task. there are quite a few telephone advice lines out there that will give you your options, i used IPSEA.

in the end though - i found out - your on your own. if your tenacious and a squeaky wheel you win. if your not, you dont.

things gradually improved throughout DS school life, and secondary school, although difficult, the school was tiny and the staff understood him at least, until at college he actually made friends.

he passed his GCSEs with flying colours. he is doing a degree now, with a fantastic little part time job computer programming (he taught himself to programme at age 12), his boss loves him, (he is taking DS to las vegas gadget show in january) and he is happy. things DO improve - but dont do what i did. dont be afraid to make some bloody noise and bring these ignorant idiots to book. find out your options and follow through with your threats, speak softly and carry a big stick.

i feel for you, i really do. x

Lonnie · 03/12/2010 14:57

New school and complaint to old school about teachers lack of pastorial care bullying and I would throw in a complaint about the different info given to you and his dad too.

Speaking of dad have you spoken with him if so I would reccommend the two of you chosing a new school jointly. Ensure that the new school knows of the problem and see what sort of support they have for aiding his change..

If it is a possibillity I would have thought a smaller school might be a good idea for him

harassedinhertinselpants · 03/12/2010 14:58

I agree with NordicPrincess "You need to take him out of the school and not let him go back. oh and slap the teacher."

This is one of the saddest and most consistent cases of bullying I've read in a while on hear, I could cry for you both. No child should have to go through this, and the school, teacher and dep HT are an absolute disgrace.

I would seriously be taking a child of mine out of this situation and finding a different school.

altinkum · 03/12/2010 14:59

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Ephiny · 03/12/2010 15:01

Definitely don't force him to go back there. He sounds a lovely, bright, affectionate little boy and it sounds like he would fit in fine at the right school if you can find it. He deserves to be somewhere he feels safe and happy, personally I'd consider homeschooling sooner than send him back there, though I realise that isn't practical for everyone.

My brother (who has ASD incidentally, not sure if that's relevant here) had similar experiences in a 'rough' comprehensive, both the kicking and punching plus the 'psychological' bullying - he had to leave in the end as it was just completely unbearable, a really terrible experience that still affects him many years on. The teachers were no help as they seemed to dislike him due to his slightly 'odd' manner and behaviour because of the ASD, though he was bright and eager to please. He got into a nicer school in the end, though what a shame it's always the victim not the bullies who have to have their education disrupted like this.

TermFromHell · 03/12/2010 15:02

Wow - thank you so much for the overwhelming response! I know I probably couldn't have gotten through such a trek of an OP!!! You all strongly seem to be saying the same thing though, which has to be a first on here!!!Grin

It is absolutely gutting to see the change in him and I am horrified, to put it bluntly. it really is such a marked difference in his general mood and demeanor. He is one of the younger children in the class (July b'day), so I wondered if it was typical of his age group. I now realise that his mosery has only been present from the minute he walked into that classroom.

Amazingly, I live in a rather well-to-do, middle-class area! I am the youngest mother in the class by 9 years (!) and tellingly, only about 5 of the other mum's in the class (and two of the dad's) will bother with me. That is not a new thing, and has been going on for a little while. I've experienced snootiness, snideness but most of all just general avoidance from them. One mother just outright blanked me recently when I said hello!!! (Although, that isn't personal - she's like that with other people too). I'm polite and friendly with the parents at the school, but the majority seem to be fairly precious and stuck-up. Maybe my age - they feel they can't relate? Anyway - it has never bothered me too much - I have lots of lovely friends outside of school. but now I see that my issues may have been detrimental to my son. Perhaps the other parents are even going so far as to tell their children not to go near my DS?! Maybe I'm being paranoid. Anyway, it's quite clear we don't fit in and should probably bugger off elsewhere. God - I sound so melodramatic!!!

The autism thing - he was assessed in reception by a psychologist, who said he was generally speaking, a normal child with slight quirks. I personally think he's got a little something called Sensory Seeking Disorder - which is basically means his senses are more developed and defined than ours. I don't think he can be statemented though.....

I did think about going to the head this time as well as the governors and maybe giving things a try in his new class in the new year. But such is the overwhelming response saying leave the entire school, I shall really have to think about things! But thank you all for your wonderful support. Poor kid. Sad

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abgirl · 03/12/2010 15:02

OP, definitely see the chair of governors asap - their name and contact details are a matter of public record and if they aren't on the school website then the Local Authority can supply them to you. Also the school will have a policy on bullying, get it and note the instances when the policy has not been implemented for your son.

Also agree for your son's welfare take him to GP and get him off school and out of there.

defineme · 03/12/2010 15:02

Yes Yes-school nurse good idea too and senco-ring anybody you can think of-get them to the meeting or ask for their advice.

My ds1 has aspergers and yes he can be irritating (as can his nt siblings) but he is also a delight at times and it is the schools job to see the whole child, protect him, educate him and not let him fall apart.

DS1 is in year4 and has a circle of friends and kids take turns to go to dinner with him-could the new class do that?