AIBU to think that some parents loose sight of what is acceptable behaviour?

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Just been to Pizzahut for what should have been an afternoon treat but spoiled by other parents lack of control of their kids. My two DDs (3 and 6) are not perfect, but we have just been confronted in Pizzahut by one child, about 5 having a total meltdown, which happens I know we have all been there, BUT the parents let this meltdown go in in full volume for 40 minutes!!! I have ignored my child when a tantrum has been in full play, but not in a restaurant where other people (AND PARENTS) are trying to relax or at least eat in some kind of peace. Its not as if there was only one adult, but there was four of them, after 30 minutes the people at the next table just left!! Then to add insult to injury, the next table along with a 'toddler' got out their potty and put it under the table and put their daughter on it in full view of everyone!! I know that potty training can be difficult but Pizzahut have toilets and large ones big enough for someone to sit on a potty in. Quite honestly after this afternoon I can understand why people who have no children sometimes quite frankly look on some parents as some kind of alien species dragged up through the dark ages!! OK feel a bit better now I got that off my chest

Just read this thread

Hairytriangle "Christ, a toddler peeing under the table in a potty is hardly disgusting behaviour!"

Erm, kid's arse out, weeing under a restaurant table is FOUL. Wonder what they wiped its bum on? eyes paper tablecloth with suspicion

YABU, I am fed up of society acting like children and mothers are some sort of irritating thorn in the side.
Do you think they wanted their child to scream for 40 minutes? Don't you think that inside the mother wished for a short moment they were a childless businesswoman sitting in front of a laptop in a classy brassiere ???
Jeez, if other mothers think like the OP there's no hope.

Let's just keep women parents indoors until they've a) stopped breastfeeding b) finished toilet training c) their children are like adults

"Don't you think that inside the mother wished for a short moment they were a childless businesswoman sitting in front of a laptop in a classy brassiere ???"

Best. Typo. Ever.

Sakura - I have every sympathy for a parent when their child is having a tantrum (I have a 2 year old who plays up from time to time) The point is that it is unacceptable to allow it to continue for 40 mins in a restaurant without taking some sort of action (ie, taking the child away to calm down) Are you saying that it was ok for the parent to allow their child to carry on screaming for such a length of time?

Sakura no one is saying that parents should stay home far from it!..but have some friggin consideration...

if your child wants to banshee have the dencency to do something about it...if they want to piss take them to the toilet..not that hard

Leaving a child to tantrum for 40 mins isn't fair on the child. They need and help to move on from the situation, and the adults with the child should have done that.

My DC have had some whopping tantrums in their time, and had I left them they would have carried on until they fell asleep through exhaustion.

I agree with LynetteScavo at 22:05:06.

Oh, and I think the potty thing is so extraordinary that there must have been extenuating circumstances. Surely?

I've never been to Pizza Hut...I certainly will not bother now.

YANBU

Okay, SGM's scenario does sound pretty bad and definitely parents should intervene if their child is being bratty/so tired they're crying and being left in a chair.

But there are other times when the general public are just intolerant of parents in general, especially mothers out and about on their own IME. Kids do have temper tantrums/do ridiculous things and sometimes the parents are too tired to do anything but sit there. Hard to tell whether the OP is BU from posts on the internet.

"I went to a Pizza Hut once. In my defence, we were lost on the outskirts of a busy city and the DCs were starving."

Only on Mumsnet.

It's a shame that Cath Kidson doesn't do restaurants I suppose.

Oh it is crap food and crap service and generally expensive, did i mention crap.
I'd have gone to MacDonalds at least you don't have to wait.

This thread reminds me of the Mnetter who posted a disgruntled AIBU because she had taken her toddler to toddler group, h e needed a wee urgently and she gave him one of the toddler drinking cups to pee in. I think another Mum had expressed her disapproval - and the Mnetter was outraged cos she had thrown the pee down the sink and rinsed the cup under the tap and everything! Blimey, she got short shrift on here I can tell you.

So Hairytingle, taking your philosophy to its logical conclusion, shall we never bother to even mention anything that annoys/irritates us in life, let alone complain about it?

Surely people complaining about things that annoy/irritate them is part of life too, is it not?

Get over it love. No one normal thinks it's appropriate to let a child shit/pee in a potty under a table in a restaurant. Maybe at home it's up to you what you do, and maybe at your local mother and toddler morning it might even be considered acceptable too but in public in restaurants, no. Not ever, not under any circumstances.

If your child doesn't wear nappies any longer and it needs to use to the toilet you take it to the nearest one. As a rule, in restaurants they tend to be pretty close at hand.

I'm not sure where you live, or what your cultural practicies or proclivities are but where I come from it's called socialising your children into civilised society.

yuck@the potty def unacceptable in any eating establishment. have sympathy for the parent(s) of meltdown 5 year old though. perhaps they have a hidden disability such as autism .my 3 year ds does and it can make life very isolating and difficult.

Anyone else wanting to go take a pee under Sakura's table? I mean in the interests of tolerance and respect it HAS to be ok for her to eat surrounded by excrement.

the child wasn't peeing under other peoples' tables. And I'm not saying it's ideal for a child to pee under a table (although plenty of people are more than happy to allow a mother to breastfeed in a stinking public toilet, so that's blatant hypocrisy).

I'm guessing there were extenuating circumstances with the potty -that's the default line of thinking, surely? The parents should have planned their day out better, but I'm sure they weren't enjoying themselves either.

They were going to have to carry a potty full of urine through a dining area where other members of the public were eating, food was being carried to tables - and other people hadn't paid for the priviledge of watching some random kid's piss being carted around one foot away from their pizza!

Sorry - but fuck tolerance and respect where that's concerned - that's one silly bitch self-entitled can't-be-arsed to consider anyone else on the planet mother giving every other one a bad name. Want to know why people cringe when they see a family sit at the table next to them on a meal? Want to know why people visibly grimace when a child gets sat next to them on a long plane/train journey? It's because of incidents like pottygate. It's disgusting, it's selfish, it's lazy, it's unsanitary, it's probably putting the livelihood of the restaurant owner at risk if environmental health came by while this was going on... and it's just utterly utterly utterly inconsiderate.

And even TRYING to drag breastfeeding into this to rally some support when everyone tells you you're being an idiot is just blatant grasping at straws.

So, Sakura - would you be happy to pay £13 to eat a pizza with my turd on the floor 2 feet away from you?

"Snobbishness and conditioning" to think it's vile to allow a child to use a potty under a restaurant table when there are toilets a few feet away?

How revolting must a person be to think that it's acceptable to do this? You have either lost all sense of perspective or you grew up in a barn.

As for the tantrum, yes we've all been there, but 40 minutes of it? Out of consideration for other people and the child it would be better to leave.