AIBU to think that some parents loose sight of what is acceptable behaviour?

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Just been to Pizzahut for what should have been an afternoon treat but spoiled by other parents lack of control of their kids. My two DDs (3 and 6) are not perfect, but we have just been confronted in Pizzahut by one child, about 5 having a total meltdown, which happens I know we have all been there, BUT the parents let this meltdown go in in full volume for 40 minutes!!! I have ignored my child when a tantrum has been in full play, but not in a restaurant where other people (AND PARENTS) are trying to relax or at least eat in some kind of peace. Its not as if there was only one adult, but there was four of them, after 30 minutes the people at the next table just left!! Then to add insult to injury, the next table along with a 'toddler' got out their potty and put it under the table and put their daughter on it in full view of everyone!! I know that potty training can be difficult but Pizzahut have toilets and large ones big enough for someone to sit on a potty in. Quite honestly after this afternoon I can understand why people who have no children sometimes quite frankly look on some parents as some kind of alien species dragged up through the dark ages!! OK feel a bit better now I got that off my chest

Hairy, you said "What's the big deal" about something unhygenic. You also compared something completely unacceptable to even the laxest of us to a spelling error. I find bad grammar and punctuation irritating, but it's hardly in the same league as the potty thing is it?

I think i would have walked out without paying had that been me

DS had a strop in JL cafe/restaurant last week, i was alone with two kids, i was strict and did not give in and ignored his whinging, but concious of other people i was very much aware i would have to leave if he didnt stop and prepped my elder dd for that eventuality. As it happened he calmed in five to eight minutes which was just pushing my barrier of acceptable, but i would have left having already paid (with dds food packed as best i could)

The potty thing is beyond disgusting, i have been potty training this week so am very mmuch aware of the challenges involved, but have been teaching my son to wash his hands after toiletting

Except there is a disagreement about whether a toddler peeing in a potty under a table is actually unhygeinic.

I just think this is getting way out of hand - it's your opinion what's in the same league as what, and clearly our opinions differ.

I was trying to make the point that there is stuff we all find irritating (and those comments were aimed at the tantrum stuff more than the weeing stuff).

I can see I'm in a minority of one here, that's absolutely fine with me, I am just stating an opinion.

But please, people, don't start hurling personal insults and patronising comments at me!

OP YANBU both those behaviours really unacceptable - especially the potty gross!!!
suprised someone is arguing in favour of that. if the child is potty trained surely they could be taken to the loo, especially if 4 adults are with them there is no excuse. if they are not able to make it to the toilet in time from their restaurant seat, which would take all of about 2 min then maybe they should be still in a nappy? i dont think a potty under the table is the answer, it is vile

as for the tantrum probably would have been better to take him outside or something to calm down?

The tantrumming parents should have left and asked for th pizza to be taken away (have seen this happen before).

The people who's kid was on the loo under the table should have been kicked out.

And you need to go to nicer restaurants

HT I find your grammar and spelling irritating.
I think allowing a child to use a potty under a table in a restaurant is unacceptable.

I'm still chortling at someone cricising another poster's grammar and then using "who's" instead of "whose". [arf]

Nowhere in the normal world is using a potty in a restaurant or not removing a tantrumming child acceptable.

Any typos courtesy of Apple

hairy

if a onimal owner allowed their pet to pee in a resturant they would be forced to leave.

If the owner of a resturant was found to have animal excrement on their premises it would be closed down.

I see no difference in animal to human pee.

Oh and where I used to live the owner of the local chip shop hit a man that urinated up the side of his counter.

Imo part of potty training is getting them to the toilet in time. This is what I did with DD. Told her where the potty was, made it clear this was where poo and wee went and carried on from there. Never would have allowed her to go at the dinner table! If breaking wind loudly at the table is considered bad form, I think shitting is too!

"Except there is a disagreement about whether a toddler peeing in a potty under a table is actually unhygeinic. "

Carrying a full potty across a restaurant full of trip hazards and people eating is disgusting and utterly stupid. Damn right it's unhygienic if they were to trip.

emptyshell Sat 06-Nov-10 19:36:46
I'd have gritted my teeth and endured the meltdown because other diners never have any rights when kids are in the equation

Sorry but I disagree,I know all kids have tantrums and mine have had their fair share of them over the years but to let a tantrum go on for 40 mins without taking them out is totally unacceptable in my opinion.To say that other diners have no rights because it is a kid (posters words not mine}shows a total disregard of other people.

*is feeling very childish at thought of Mr Tumble-style trip and carrying potty full of piss..

woooahhh....wooooaaahh...aahhhhhrrghghgh!!!

I've never allowed my DD to sit on the potty in a restaurant but potty training her has been very tricky and the potty has had to go almost everywhere for months. She's just starting to improve. Even in car parks I've plonked her on the potty and then tipped it down the drain after. She rarely ever poo's in it actually, just wee's. I'm now feeling terribly paranoid and wondering what other eitquettes I'm breaking. But I'd never allow her to sit on one in a restuarant, no. I'd rush her to the loo. I really like the portable potty though, now that one doesn't even need taking to a toilet to empty. Anyway I digress.

I'd be mortified if my child threw an enormous tantrum for 40 minutes, I'd ask them to put the food in a box and take it home and the child I think.

I actually think you may all be being a bit harsh on Hairy. This is an AIBU thread, so there was a questioned being asked which Hairy answered. Bunch of meanies....

I don't think that there was mention of pooing was there???

We are talking Pizza Hut, yes?

Actually, her opening post was insulting the OP so not really answering the question, no.

YANBU.

Probably the same people who leave soiled nappies on beaches. Yuck.

Hairy, however, has made the thread far more interesting to read, than if everyone had agreed with the OP. I have to say I don't think the the OP is BU. But, I think that Pizza Hut is a sh*t establishment anyway, and wouldn't expect to enjoy a visit!

Teaandcakeplease - don't worry about it, use it where you need to - I'm sure when you can get to a 'bathroom' you do - nothing wrong with a carpark!

There was no need for the child to use the potty near the other diners - they were being incredibly rude.

The tantrum - 5 minutes acceptable, 40 minutes no way either take the food home or one of the 4 adults take the child outside... 40 minutes...I would have taken the bloody child outside for them!!

Isn't Pizza Hut's latest ad campaign (it's something like - 'where families can be families') basically saying 'Can't control your kids? We'll turn a blind eye.' in which case YANBU to be but maybe YABU to be surprised?

Not sure your grammar is either here or there tbh but people in glass houses should probably preview message innit? :)

IMO Using a potty in a car park is fine Teaandcakeplease - especially if you're tipping it down a drain or using a Potette (we have one of those - it was fab when DS was training :) ) It's not like you're leaving it for anyone to stand in.

Using a potty under a table in a restaurant is vile though just because it's right where people are eating! It's not that hard for one adult to take a child and their potty to a toilet and do the deed where it's meant to be done! (A Potette Plus even converts to a mini seat for a big toilet and is great for public loos.) Sounds like they were just being lazy.

I'm shocked that anyone would try to argue that pissing (and, in my experience, shitting, even when we've been told they don't need that) in a public eating area, where there are adequate facilities, is acceptable

In what way is the carrying of a dirty potty into the loos afterward hygenic or respectful of the people and staff around you?! Apart from anything it makes logistical sense to take the little one into the toilets and clean up in there?

How did the toddler get dry and the parent wash their hands afterwards?

then again, i've seen someone change their baby's nappy on a restaurant table before - yes, we complained, and WE were the unreasonable ones

revolting and unneccesary imho. no fault of the toddler, but bad mum and dad imho.

Hairytriangle - are you bonkers? Of course it is completely unhygienic to use a potty in a restaurant - I can't believe you think it is no big deal. And as regards children having tantrums - yes, it happens, and usually not a lot you can do about it, but to continue sitting in a restaurant for a considerable length of time whilst your child plays up is, in my opinion, unacceptable. If my 2 year old daughter was acting in such a way I would take her away to calm down.
I can't believe what some people consider to be acceptable behaviour!

HT, pissing and shitting in a restaurant is not irritating, its offensive, there is a world of difference.

My DS1 used to have the mother of all tantrums. But I'D never allow one to go on for 40 mins out of the house without removing him from the situation.

And. IMO, a child who can't make it to the toilet should

a) Be in nappies
or
b) Not be going out to restaurants