AIBU to think that some parents loose sight of what is acceptable behaviour?

[caspered]

Just been to Pizzahut for what should have been an afternoon treat but spoiled by other parents lack of control of their kids. My two DDs (3 and 6) are not perfect, but we have just been confronted in Pizzahut by one child, about 5 having a total meltdown, which happens I know we have all been there, BUT the parents let this meltdown go in in full volume for 40 minutes!!! I have ignored my child when a tantrum has been in full play, but not in a restaurant where other people (AND PARENTS) are trying to relax or at least eat in some kind of peace. Its not as if there was only one adult, but there was four of them, after 30 minutes the people at the next table just left!! Then to add insult to injury, the next table along with a 'toddler' got out their potty and put it under the table and put their daughter on it in full view of everyone!! I know that potty training can be difficult but Pizzahut have toilets and large ones big enough for someone to sit on a potty in. Quite honestly after this afternoon I can understand why people who have no children sometimes quite frankly look on some parents as some kind of alien species dragged up through the dark ages!! OK feel a bit better now I got that off my chest

restaurants - and

But part of the reason we teach our children to use a potty is to socialise their behaviour. Yes, I do think it's not a catastrophe if a child has an accident and wets themselves and it gets on the floor. That is life. But to actively teach a child that it's fine to sit in a social place and urinate and defectate, well imo that's poor parenting. I bet the adults concerned also feel it's fine for them to piss up against walls in public cause if ya gotta go ya gotta go!

"It is not unhygeinic if it's then disposed of properly."

by walking it through a restaurant full of people eating????????.........not to mention if the child actually did a crap in there.

Many a time DS3 tells me he's going to do a wee.........and does a shit as well

But there's bum wiping and stuff to deal with and all in an eating area. I don't think it can be excused really as harmless. Then the disposal - unless they have those liners that look like sanitary towels stuck to a plastic bag - the potty has to be carried across an area where other people's children are hurling themselves at balloons and shit (no pun intended ). Ice cream factory could end up with a few extra toppings!

I went to a Pizza Hut once. In my defence, we were lost on the outskirts of a busy city and the DCs were starving.

Never again. The noise level was unacceptable, the food was grim and the behaviour (of the adults as well as the children) just dreadful. No potties were in evidence but that was probably just a matter of our good luck.

Feel free to flame me for being a total and utter snob

I would have complained about both the tantrum, going on for more than a couple of minutes without someone removing the child from the premises, and the potty. What kind of disgusting louts are those parents? They need a reality check! It is not their private home, but a public resturant.

Even animals don't defecate/urinate where they eat!

If it was a single adult with several children, I can understand why the tantrum may have had to continue, but if there was more than one adult, I think I may have had a word with them, and sugested the tantrum continue in the fresh air.

Actually, I would be too scared to say anything.

Good God, I cannot believe that some posters are giving the OP a hard time.

Allowing a toddler to tantrum for that long in a public place where it is obviously going to inconvenience fellow diners is absolutely out of order. If I had been in that position, I would have left pronto.

The potty behaviour leaves me gobsmacked. Who on earth thinks this behaviour is actually acceptable?

Ditto mistletoekisses. If one of my two ever had a tantrum in a restaurant or cafe, they would have to go outside until they calmed down. It worked a treat.

And using the potty where people are eating? I'm sorry, but that is appalling.

I'd have complained about the potty thing. I don't care if it's Pizza Hut, Macdonalds, The Ritz or the highly badly named Best In Town kebab shop up the road... poo/wee and food don't mix. Mix them in your own house all you want, but I'd rather not have a side order of toddler widdle with my super supreme thank you.

I'd have gritted my teeth and endured the meltdown because other diners never have any rights when kids are in the equation - but the potty being used in the dining area would have made me go nuts.

Write a letter to the management and complain - at least it means if they try to pop in for a number one or two again the staff might intervene and point them in the direction of the loos.

well after having my grammar and spelling critised.....(hmm) wasn't going to respond back, but to those who think I was being unreasonable about the tantrum, it was more about the fact that four adults thought it was acceptable for this to go on for so long and not attempted to bring about some calm. Yes my dds have both thrown maddies at some time in public, but when I have been with another 'responsible adult' I have taken my dd outside to calm them down. BTW if my spelling or grammar upset you TUFF! Read a different posting

The tantrum is a bit of a difficult one to call. If they've just started their meal, it's hard to just up & leave.
Using the potty. Totally unacceptable. It's disgusting & unhygienic
Hairy traingle, I assume you let your kids pee anywhere & you use a bucket when you're at home. Lovely.

you assume wrong hystericalmum I'm just saying (as I've said before on this thread) it's really not as big a deal as it has been made out to be.

caspered if other people's parenting upsets you - TUFF!

oh dear ht

Mistletoekisses, Hairytriangle aparently thinks that a toddler pissing in an eating area is acceptable. I'm sure she wouldn't mind me putting the potty down under her table while she was eating... at that really.

the whole point was that they were NOT parenting!

in your opinion.

The child actually did a poo?...

a parent can get up and take the potty to the toilet area

If thats the case that is really unacceptable, who wants to smell a hot turd whilst eating????

and few minute tantrum ok...45 minute tantrum ffs!! don't tell me its not affecting others around them...have some consideration for others..

obviously these opinions are expressed without a deep knowledge of parents circumstances and or parental experience...

Its sounds like a lack of consideration for others imo...

Disagree about the difficult to leave if you have just started a meal. Why is it difficult? If they play up, you pay and you leave. How else do you expect a child to learn how to behave in public?

Take them out before desert and they will remember that their behaviour meant they didnt get their treat.

This is exactly why some children behave so appallingly in public.

For goodness sake, read my posts you will see that

1. I have not said it's acceptable, that I condone it or that I'd allow it myself
2. I've said that we all find stuff annoying, that's life

People of any age or size pissing in the middle of somewhere I'm eating upsets me (unless it's in a nappy). That's not at all socially acceptable or hygenic.

There are limits as to what you can expect other people to tolerate - grizling kids, tantrums - fine, I'm meant to be the rabid-child-hating resident cow down here but even I won't object there (although I appreciate attempts being made to calm said apocalyptic tantrrum)... but excrement in the middle of a restaurant?! No.

Sorry but if you have a potty in your dining room at home - fine, you make the choice that that's ok, it's only you and yours you're affecting. I choose NOT to eat in my bathroom, I don't want to be eating near urine or faeces - but someone hoiking a potty out in the middle of a restaurant removes that choice from every other single diner in that place and it's bloody laziness when the OP said the toilets in question were large enough to easily have a potty on the floor and be used in there. You can bang on about rights all you want - but what happened to the rights of every other diner in there to eat their meal in a hygenic environment?

Parent how the fuck you want - but when it's starting to have a detrimental impact upon the rest of the world, when it's forcing them to eat their food next to someone having a piss... that's not tolerance, that's taking the... well.. sorry... piss (the bit that wasn't already in the potty).

And hurling personal insults at the OP ain't on sweetie.

Oh and then the potty full of pee is going to have to be disposed of - so you've got an open container full of urine being carried past everyone else's food - even before you consider the chance of spillage that's a completely fucking disgusting proposition.

YANBU. I too have been faced with my DC's tantrums and while ignoring them often works, there is a time and a place for this technique. Letting them rave on while other people eat is not a good time for that. Whether you're in Pizza Hut or Claridges.

Bit at the potty business. Have never done that myself although have taken DD to a quiet corner of beach with the potty to do her thing (loos were across a road and we wouldn't have made it in time).

I once worked in Next on the fitting rooms and noticed a really foul stench coming from one cubicle. Some lovely person had changed a pooey nappy in there and left it,unbagged and not even wrapped up properly, on the floor. Wouldn't mind, but we had a spotless babychanging room in that branch. Some peoples' parenting astounds me!