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DSD abortion thread part II

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GivesHeadlessHorseman · 26/10/2010 21:05

carry on ladies....

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Scaredandalone · 28/10/2010 12:41

3thumbedwitch I wasn't eating my food when the lipstick party was brought up Grin I am only joking nothing puts me off my food Grin

Discowife · 28/10/2010 12:42

DinahRod thanks!

capricorn76 · 28/10/2010 12:43

Herpes can be transmitted from the mouth to the genitals. My DH has oral herpes/cold sores and he had oral sex with an ex and gave her genital herpes. He didn't realise he was at the beginning of a cold sore. She has to go to hospital, she was in so much pain apparently.

In all honesty I didn't know you could catch std's if you gave a man a blow job without a condom until I was in my mid-20s and someone told me. I thought flavoured condoms were just for fun. I know I sound like an idiot!

thesecondcoming · 28/10/2010 12:43

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dontdisstheteens · 28/10/2010 12:43

Sorry I posted really off topic OP.

I just wanted to add that I think you have done everything you possibly can. It is most unfair of anyone to expect you to take care of another baby, it really is a rock and a hard place. I feel for you so much. I have a friend in a similar siltation, it is her daughter and the daughter has decided to keep the baby. This impacts on my friend's plans for the next few years in a major way and she is also finding it hard. She wants to support her daughter, but does not want to care for a baby.

Wish there was an easy answer for both of you. x

SoloBlackWidowSpidersWebSite · 28/10/2010 12:50

I'm pretty sure the OP wont mind these issues being discussed here on this thread. Really, it's an eye opener for me a lot of us. It's an important line of discussion that we need to have with our Dc's and although I do touch on sex convo's with my 12yo, I need to do more I think. This thread has highlighted that.

DinahRod · 28/10/2010 13:01

Teach boys and part of their sex ed is that they are equally responsible for preventing pregnancy and that every time they have sex pg is a possibility. They are told that even if a girl is/says she is on the pill the pill can fail/not be taken so they need to use protection too. If they father a baby they will be paying out 25% of their earnings for at least 18 yrs - and have responsibility for bringing up a child. They also get a strong message on 'no meaning no' whilst having sex. They are all great kids but it's an eye opener for them - they know the mechanics but not negotiating relationships.

TorturesInAHalfHell · 28/10/2010 13:05

I don't think that anything in this story suggests an audience - did it for a dare to prove it to others just implies to me that there was teasing about the previous sex, someone said oh her, she'd never, and they ran off behind the sheds to "prove" it to the rest, coming back giggling. Not that the other teenagers stood around watching.

It's a shame that the "proof" wasn't a condom though. If proof needed to be involved.

DinahRod · 28/10/2010 13:06

Sorry that wasn't clear - that a partner can say no at any point, even when having sex...boys were surprise/alarmed to learn in those circs they could be accused of rape.

dontdisstheteens · 28/10/2010 13:07

I think I might have neglected relationships and focused on practical issues. I need to think about this.

QuintessentialShadows · 28/10/2010 13:13

Spidookly and Solo At the point where he chose to ejaculate inside his classmate, they both had a choice.

And that is my point. At whatever happens later he has NO choice.

It is a very thought provoking thread. I dont think anybody reading this thread will let their children enter teenagedom without a bucket full of condoms, and with information hammered into them well in advance.

DialMforMother · 28/10/2010 13:19

I know that this is something of a side issue and I know that it was briefly discussed on the thead but the school needs to know about the trip. There's no grey area on this; it's a child protection issue and the school needs to look at its procedures. It may be that they allowed inexperienced staff to lead am activity or that the teachers just weren't doing what they should have been.

You will have to let someone at the school know anyway whatever is decided so I would suggest that you speak directly to the head and ask him/her to inform relevant pastoral staff of your dsd's situation and then raise the issue of the trip and ask that it be looked at discreetly.

foreverastudent · 28/10/2010 13:19

Condoms aren't going to stop babies if they are lying in a drawer, though. How many parents are comfortable with encouraging teenagers to carry them on them at all times? Most adult women aren't comfortable with this.

The problem with condoms is that they require pre-planning. I get the impression that most teenage sex is spontaneous.

spidookly · 28/10/2010 13:29

"It may be that they allowed inexperienced staff to lead am activity or that the teachers just weren't doing what they should have been."

Or it may be that they did everything they should have and that 2 teenagers sneaked off and had sex.

I agree the school should be told.

spidookly · 28/10/2010 13:33

Quint

"At whatever happens later he has NO choice."

Yes, it always surprises me when people express surprise at this.

It's the most obvious fact about pregnancy - men's right to any input ends after sex.

There's no other non-babaric way it could be.

It's why it amazes me to hear mother of teenage sons talking about making sure their DSs girlfriends are on the pill.

If you are not teaching your boys to take responsibility for THEIR OWN fertility, and explaining to them that their only decision is to have safe sex (or no sex) or else potentially become a father, then you are failing them.

spidookly · 28/10/2010 13:35

And safe sex means YOU KNOW FOR SURE that you are safe, i.e. that your penis is covered.

Taking somebody else's word for it is not safe, it's stupid.

SoloBlackWidowSpidersWebSite · 28/10/2010 13:37

Yes Quint, but he did have a choice, didn't he? They both did.

TessoftheDamned · 28/10/2010 13:38

Just popping in for a quick post, haven't read messages yet but will later on. Can I please ask that if this thread gets up to 1000 messages like the last one Shock could someone please start a new thread in Off the Beaten Track and let these threads die away please? Thanks - I'm very happy to keep updating but would prefer if it didn't show in Search, active convos, etc. Smile Feeling better today.

GivesHeadlessHorseman · 28/10/2010 13:39

Yes Solo, they both did. And now only one of them does. They acted equally irresponsibly, but their punishment is not equal, their choices are not equal, their rights are not equal.

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louie74 · 28/10/2010 13:41

Tess, just wanted to say that I think you're being really great in dealing with this.

I too got pregnant when I was quite young...didn't use contraception....didn't consciously want a baby but knew that I was pregnant within a couple of days. I come from a fantastically supportive family but was really pressured by my mother into having a termination which I went on to do. There seems to be a lot of pressure on you to not put pressure on your DSD and respecting her beliefs but the fact is that she's a child and there are other family members to consider.

If you asked me, I would still tell you to you face that I wanted that baby but deep down, I know that having the baby would have been the easier option short term. By that ,I mean that I didn't have to do anything, the birth and the child rearing would come later. By insisting that I wanted to keep the pregnancy, I avoided all talk of scans, D&Cs etc. Part of me couldn't bear to be examined in that way by the GP. To be brutally honest, and it's not something I have ever admitted to before, but I appreciated the attention.

In my head I've made the whole termination experience a traumatic event and use the fact of having a termination as an excuse for a lot of things but hearing you talk about your DSD reminds me a lot about me and I think it is fair of you to be quite firm with her. I am not for one minute saying that a termination wouldn't be traumatic for your DSD but please don't think that you have no right to discuss it with her. I once told my mum that I wouldn't have had a termination if it hadn't been for her but with maturity,I'm so pleased that she pushed and pushed because I realise now that at that age, it really was about the attention and not the baby. I had a badge to wear so to speak, a genuine reason for self pity but in reality, I WAS a child and the decision really wasn't mine to make but was for all the family.

I just wanted you to hear a different side to how it feels to be 'forced' into a termination. I said and did everything that your DSD did and just wanted you to know that I felt that I had to say that I wanted to continue with the pregnancy ( I did actually believe that I did because it's so conditioned into you that you're a dreadful person otherwise) and it caused my parents no end of grief. My father did the routine of 'it's a mess but your my daughter and we'll support you' because all he saw was his teenage daughter breaking her heart. My mother saw her life being repeated, the cost to her other children, and my life, not being ruined, but made so so much more difficult. I don't know that I will ever be able to dicuss this with her but I remain greatful that she had the strength to take the stance that she did and from a position of love. As she said, I might hate her for it and that was a price that she was willing to pay if it meant that I didn't have to blame myself. She was prepared to take on the entire family to protect me. Makes me realise just what being a parent really is about and it's not about taking the easy choices.

However it turns out, I wish you all the love in the world to your family.

SoloBlackWidowSpidersWebSite · 28/10/2010 13:41

Glad you are feeling brighter Tess. :)

aquamortis · 28/10/2010 13:42

Tess, so glad you are feeling better today, you have done amazingly well so far. I feel so sad for all of you; but hopeful that there can be some good outcomes, whatever happens. Your family are all very lucky to have you; good luck.

GivesHeadlessHorseman · 28/10/2010 13:45

Tess we could just do that now and get MN to block any more on this can't we?

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spilttheteaagain · 28/10/2010 13:45

louie what an incredibly moving post.

Discowife · 28/10/2010 13:45

Glad you are feeling better! any changes in circumstances then?