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Wedding gift etiquette

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petal2008 · 22/09/2010 16:41

We have been invited to a friend's fourth (!) wedding.

Along with the invitation was a poem basically saying don't buy a gift as we have got everything we need - we want the money to go on holiday.

Surely it's up to us to ask if there is a wedding list and be told "actually we haven't got one but a voucher or the cash would be nice".

My DH says I'm being too sensitive as would be spending money on a gift anyway so we I won't have to worry about going out to buy anything. I know all this is true but feel a bit pissed off about it.

I've got a special birthday this year but won't invite people to my party saying don't bother about the present but I'll have the money.

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Porcelain · 23/09/2010 14:02

YABabitU.

I'm in the process of sorting out my wedding replies (which includes ringing about 25% of the guests who didn't bother to tell us either way, some of which I knew were intending to turn up). There are 80 guests on the list. I don't hae the time with a newborn to care for(nor do my parents) to take 80 phone calls/emails/letters from people wanting to know about lists, so we are letting them know with the wedding timing/instructions.

Lists are the norm for weddings nowadays, being coy about it only causes lots of confusion. Lists for other occasions like birthdays can be a bit presumptious.

I was going to do the money thing, as we genuinely don't want tat for the house. We are in the midst of throwing out a load of clutter, we don't want any more! I would rather people not bother spending their hard-earned than gie something that is going to take up space we carefully sorted out or end up in the loft. I did think of asking for money or gift cards for the decorating we are doing, but as I know people are so offended by the mention of money (why? they don't need to gift anything at all, they can choose how much, it's not like they are getting mugged). In the end I made a gift list mostly from B&Q, with hight st ouchers as an option too.

(sorry for mad typos, I am still missing a key...)

Kathleen123 · 23/09/2010 14:11

It doesnt bother me what people ask for.

When I got married I had a list, I hope this didnt offend anyone. I wanted to make sure all the gifts were useful, and didnt end up with three toasters. And yes the gift list fell out of the envelope, with the invitation. Blush

When I've been to weddings and there has been no wedding list, if the couple are good friends, I have bought them gifts (often a painting or even an atlas), as I like to think I know what they'll like, and its something personal from me. If I dont know them so well, I've bought John Lewis vouchers.

I have also given money, when requested.

I recently went to a second wedding (a widow), she said if we wanted to get her a gift could it be a charity donation. I loved this request, and also bought her and her husband a small present.

I would not dream of going to a wedding and not taking a gift, even if they've said no gifts. Many people are spending over £200 a head on the wedding, its a pleasure to share in their day, and I always want to get them a gift, to start married lift together.

LadyBaiter · 23/09/2010 14:26

agreed expatinscotland - hence why we didn't put anything about gifts on the invite. Actually I found it a bit irritating that after replying money/euros (honeymoon spends) to one guests request for a gift idea I was told, "oh, but we wanted to get you something sentimental". Well do that then! Why did you ask?! Confused

lazycow007 · 23/09/2010 14:26

When i got married (years ago now) we had a list and it wasn't deemed rude or bad ettiquette then. We struggled to find things to put on it that were reasonable (as most of our friends were young like us and only just finished studying etc) but we got everything we asked for plus some thoughtful unasked for gifts too.
At my moms 60th she asked for charitable donations only if you wanted to and no-one knew who had or who hadn't given. We are a card loving family and love a card with a thoughtful message inside as that means more.
We also had two weddings to go to this year, one had a list - which i bought from the other didn't state anything so we asked and they said oh please don't buy us anything - we donated to our friends College.

At one wedding which was a second one, again they didn't want anything so i bought them a "Happy Wedding Day" fushcia which will grow with their love in the garden forever (hopefully) and that was very well received.

bean612 · 23/09/2010 14:33

expat, are people actually 'demanding' money or 'dictating' what you give them, though? I don't know the exact wording of the OP's friend's poem, so I could be wrong, but I doubt it actually stated that guests MUST give money. These requests, whether they be poems or a more bald statement of 'We would like money towards our honeymoon rather than material gifts' are surely just that - requests. Clumsily/crassly worded, maybe, but how are they different to a wedding list (which you've said you don't mind)? What is a wedding list if not a list of 'demands', which 'dictates' to invited guests what they should give? (This is not how I feel about wedding lists, btw, but you see what I'm trying to say?)

PerfectDromedary · 23/09/2010 14:35

I always get really embarrassed when I read these things - when I got married, my husband and I genuinely didn't want presents. Honestly. We'd been living together for five years and bought pretty much everything we could want for a flat.

But our parents on both sides said, oh, but people will want to know what to give you. And we didn't want anything. So we set up a honeymoon gift fund which we didn't expect anyone to contribute to, but that we let people know was there. And we made the bad don't want presents, your presence is enough pun. And it makes me really sad to think that people out there thought that we were demanding money with menaces for a place at the wedding.

Shodan · 23/09/2010 14:42

I must admit I'm a bit confused as to what constitutes a 'demand' for a gift or money.

I can appreciate those invitations that have thos awful poems in might be seen as tacky, but really, is it really seen as a demand? Never mind a small card with details of a gift list that is included with, but not attached to, the invitation, along with details of how to get to the wedding, where you might stay should you require overnight accommodation.

Surely, if you accept that an invitation is only that, not an order that must be obeyed, then anything that comes in the same envelope is merely a request, not a demand?

Or have I just been lucky enough not to receive any invitations or gift list details that might be perceived as grabby demands?

tiredfeet · 23/09/2010 14:54

I do think the politest thing is to simply not mention gifts at all with the invites. We didn't mention gifts at all on ours, so that people wouldn't feel it was expected (it really wasn't). We had a small list set up for people who enquired, but even when they enquired we said they didn't need to feel obliged to pick from the list. We got some wonderful presents we would never have thought of, but for those who wanted to pick something we needed the list was there to make things less stressful.

I am not at all keen on being asked for cash from people, it makes it all feel a bit joyless really. But I am much much more fed up with people who don't send out thank you cards afterwards, and in my experience only one of the couples whose wedding I attended and who asked for cash sent out thank you notes.

curlymama · 23/09/2010 14:56

It sounds like a demand when couples use a poem, or just shove a wedding list at JL card in the invites because they haven't bothered to do that along with saying something like 'we don't expect presents, please don't feel obliged, we just want you to share our day, however if you want ideas we would really appreciate....'

If you don't put in that little polite sentence or two, it does sound very much like you expect, and feel you should get, something.

I know most couples can be pretty safe in the knowledge that most of their guests will want to give gifts, but that's not the point. It's like using the word 'please', not entirely neccessary, but polite and impoortant to most people none the less.

minipie · 23/09/2010 14:57

thanks for all the gift ideas for my (gift list less) friends!

current options are a lovely meal, foodie hamper/picnic stuff (with receipt in case anyone else has got them picnic kit), wine, maybe tickets for something (but then you have the date problem...)

tothesea I looove those posters... may get one myself actually... not sure if they'd like them though, and I wouldn't want to make them feel they had to display it if they don't like it IYSWIM.

anyway, will bugger off now and not hijack the thread any more!

Shodan · 23/09/2010 14:57

'At Asian weddings it's traditional for guests to pin money on the bride and groom, so really, what's the difference?'

The difference is that this is not Asia.

You'd never see this backlash in a Latin American wedding, either.

But this isn't Latin America.

Go marry a Greek and have your wedding in Greece then.

expat - I can't help but feel that this is straying into rather dangerous territory. We are, as a nation, supposed to be - or at least moving towards being- a multi-cultural society. Many, many British people are also Asian/Latin American/Greek/other - are you saying that they should not keep their own traditions? Or that they may, but only in their 'own' country?

And if not, then you must accept that they are also, by definition, British traditions and therefore not as unacceptable as you maintain.

ChippingIn · 23/09/2010 14:59

FreeButtonBee - congratulations - I hope you have a lovely day :) MN is good in so many ways, but it can make you paranoid about things you wouldn't have even thought about before!! Stop reading about weddings - yours is sorted and will be lovely :)

EmptyShell - the more of your posts I read, the more I like you, the more I like you, the more upset I am getting at the problems you have had!! It's not fair, not at all, and I really hope that you can be a Mum, one way or another - you will be great x

expatinscotland · 23/09/2010 15:40

'expat - I can't help but feel that this is straying into rather dangerous territory. We are, as a nation, supposed to be - or at least moving towards being- a multi-cultural society. Many, many British people are also Asian/Latin American/Greek/other - are you saying that they should not keep their own traditions? Or that they may, but only in their 'own' country?'

Oh please! Don't try to turn this into some sort of quasi-racist means to sway your argument, that people who don't agree are racist.

Because Britain does have its own society as well, its own values and such.

And in its tradition it's not polite to put a statement in invites that you want money as gifts.

Your classic English wedding also tends to be very different in set up than in many other cultures, with the whole thing split up, the marriage in the morning or early afternoon, followed by some guests being invited to some sort of 'breakfast' and then the B-listers to an 'evening do'. Being Latina, I'd never heard of that before because most Latino ceremonies involve a Mass, at or near evening followed immediately by a reception and no such thing as some people invited to one thing and some to another.

Even though I'm of Mexican extraction, and over there mostly it's cash gifts, my American family has embraced the wedding gift list trend entirely. When in Rome and all that. It's a very multicultural society there.

It's a non sequitur that someone who finds it impolite to put money requests in an invite is racists and not multicultural.

But that's neither here nor there.

If you're Asian or Irish or what have you than everyone in your family already knows it's not boxed gifts. You don't need a tacky poem in a card.

And anytime you make it clear in an invite that you expect money as a gift and nothing else, then it's a demand.

I completely agree with TiredFeet.

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bean612 · 23/09/2010 15:45

But it isn't. It's 'IF you want to give something, this is what we'd like'. It isn't 'Give us money. End of story.'

expatinscotland · 23/09/2010 15:47

End of? No, IF you want to give us something then money = either money, or nothing.

So no other gift is acceptable.

Tacky beyond belief.

expatinscotland · 23/09/2010 15:50

The ILs were invited to a 'no boxed gifts' wedding.

But they didn't get it, being of the older generation.

MIL took the stick blender or summat out of its box, wrapped it in tissue paper and put in a gift bag.

:o

bean612 · 23/09/2010 15:51

expat - So give nothing, in that case. And no one is saying anything about acceptable or not acceptable. Aren't they just saying what they'd prefer? Are they actually going to throw non-cash gifts away? I don't understand why you think people are telling you what to do. It is an option. They are asking. It's you who chooses to see it as a command.

TennisFan · 23/09/2010 15:54

We couldn't afford a honeymoon when we got married 14 yrs ago - had no savings and just starting out.
Also, had no wedding list - but got some lovely gifts, which we were grateful for.
Can't believe that some people are getting their guests and friends to pay for their honeymoon, just shows you how naive i am.

bean612 · 23/09/2010 15:58

TennisFan - so you were grateful for your gifts, but you wouldn't have been grateful if collectively, your friends and family had helped to give you a nice holiday? Hmm

I don't get this, really I don't. I'm off before my blood pressure gets any higher.

[wanders off, scratching head in puzzlement...]

expatinscotland · 23/09/2010 15:59

'Are they actually going to throw non-cash gifts away?'

Lots of posts here saying they charity shopped or binned non-cashg gifts.

And I've already stated, ad nauseum, that I decline invites with cash requests in them excepting two instances when we couldn't get out of going.

And also that 9 times out of 10 I give cash as a gift.

I did buy my sister a sofa, though. I knew she wanted it. She had been living at home and just out of university, same as her spouse, and they were buying a house together.

She had a wedding list, though. No tacky arse poem in the invite or 'we want cash'.

So I got her the sofa.

bean612 · 23/09/2010 16:06

'And I've already stated, ad nauseam, that I decline invites with cash requests in them excepting two instances when we couldn't get out of going.'

I know you have. I'm not sure what this is in response to. But on that topic, are you saying that they are requests, not demands, then?

What would you do (and this is a genuine question) if someone you were very close to and very fond of sent a 'cash request/demand' with their wedding invite? Would you really boycott the wedding?

Right, I really am going now.

Lizkin · 23/09/2010 16:11

In Holland (where I live) people are very pragmatic, and asking for cash for a wedding is quite acceptable. Took me a bit of getting used to, as a native Brit, but I don't have a problem with it.

In some cultures it's the done thing to pin cash to the bride's outfit instead of buying a gift. Surely it doesn't really matter as long as you give in some way?

At our wedding we asked people who wanted to give to choose a gift from a list we wrote, but then on the day to give cash, because the wedding was in the UK and we couldn't transport everything to the Netherlands (we had pretty big things on the list, like bookcases/hoover etc). After the day we sent photos of each gift we bought to the people who had chosen them. Most people seemed ok with this idea - no idea though if anyone chose not to come because of it (I'd be pretty sad if that were the case though).

expatinscotland · 23/09/2010 16:13

I put 'request' in quotation marks because it's a demand to me. It reads: cash or nothing, no other gift is acceptable.

If it were someone close to me, I'd tell them I was not comfortable with their 'request'.

Thankfully, I don't know many such grabby, rude people.

Bye now. Hope you raise enough cash for a honeymoon.

Maybe have a wedding car wash and rope the guests into washing cars to top up the fund.

After all, if people really care about you, they'll do whatever you want in honour of your big day.

Onetoomanycornettos · 23/09/2010 16:17

For a fourth wedding, they should be paying you to attend.

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