MN is quite happy to let innacurate thread titles be posted that could promote discrimination against disabled children and their famillies

[wasuup3000]

Title say's it all.

I agree with coalition. I don't think saying 'ADHD is overdiagosed' in in itself offensive unless the OP is suggesting the condition doesn't exist. I'm not saying I agree with that statement as I wouldn't begin to know where to access the information needed to either back it up or disprove it.

However, it's a valid opinion especially if the OP is actually interested in hearing all sides of the story.

Saying a disabled person should just get changed in the loo though is thoughtless and offensive. It's similar to saying BF mothers should feed their child in the toilet. I wouldn't want to get changed in the toilet so why would anyone think that just having a disability means you'll accept it? It's just disrespectful.

well, maybe some of the people who generally feel supportive will look thropugh and post on some sn threads more often, as a result of this.

pointy

I don't know about anyone else . I don't expect a whole group of posters to do anything.
But i regularly get involved on benefit bashing threads, threads about issues that strike me as unfiar.

I don't see that as something I shouldn't do because I am not on benefits. I don't assume I shouldn't involve myself just because there are many here who are on benefits who can speak up well for each other.

in fact I don't see them as being different from any other part of the board, even if that is the only time we post in common.

Perhaps that is part of the problem.
I don't think 'benefits recipients have it covered, what has that got to do with me'. Yet 'SN is not my issue , why should I comment' seems to be a held view.

FWIW I am not spoiling for a fight. I am just expressing my observations
I suspect some of us are seen as being self sufficient and able to repel offensive posters because we do respond. But we are being made to feel vulnerable all day in real life. It becomes something you just do

Maybe consider SN threads showing up in active convos again?
I do remember it changing and why but maybe time to reconsider?

x-posted pointy

I htink that is what this thread is about, pointydog.

It's a thread saying we are fed up with the attitude towards disablist posts and posters.

MOst of the anti-SN threads are reported, several times, by us. And the answer that comes back? Let the thread stand, it's a good education.

That certainly doesn't always happen with the racist threads, and the homophobic threads.

especially deliberatley started trolling threads.

they vanish, never to be seen again.

but the Sn ones stay.

why is that?

I saw the adhd thread title and mentally categorised it as some ridiculous antagonistic thread. I could imagine comments like 'in my day, we just had the Odd Children and that was good enough for us'.

I couldn't be arsed with ridiculous antagonism. But I do realise taht sort of thread must be beyond wearisome for posters who try to put forward a sensible case.

It should be possible to ignore shit stirring OPs. But when it is your child I guess it is hard amd then is it gets worse than that. It becomes ADHD is made up by people who cannot be arsed to parent properly and who do it for the benefits.
Having a child with SN is an experience hard to get through without a huge dollop of irrational guilt and these OPs play into that.

If you have spent all day with people tutting at you , trying to find strategies that help, respite, just find a way through the day - it must be hard to see that and not feel desolate.

And when the only people who come to defend you are those who are in the same boat it can feel like the OP ( and the fucking twats who always see that type oftitle and pile in for a bit of fun )is thinking what everyone you just saw in the street was just thinking

I think pointy is right about why perhaps people don't post on SN threads, to me it seems like a subject other peple will know much more about so I wouldn't have anything useful to add.

I take the point though about challenging prejudice.

But on that ridiculous ADHD thread, almost everyone disagrees with the OP as far as I can see and there were many comments.

I wonder if part of the problem about SN is that it is such a catch all term that covers children like my nephew who is physically fairly normal but has Aspergers to children like my friend's DD who has very severe CP and it's very difficult for her to communicate, let alone move much more than her eyes without huge effort.

There is no parity between their conditions whatsoever and yet they are lumped together as if you could draw parallels between them.

I haven't opened that thread though - the title's too full of ignorance

I reported the ADHD thread and got a "it's not illegal what he's saying" kind of response which I think is bollocks.They have pulled other threads for less in the past.

Can I just say Jabba.. you didn't word it badly at all. I understand what you are saying.

YABU re ADHD thread- The poster was playing devil's advocate, which is emphasised by the fact that the thread title contained a question mark.
The idea of mumsnet is to give advice, exchange ideas etc. Not all posters will agree with every point made and there are some unsavoury characters with bigoted views
but i feel that it is important that these views are expressed in order that they be challenged by those with personal experience.

forehead. Actually , if you read the thread - the OP was being a smug, patronising cock monkey who was getting off on goading many posters.

And the fact that anyone can defend his position is breathtaking. And actually proves the whole thrust of this thread

Agree wholeheartedly Pag

On the ADHD thread the poster is engaging and arguing not just throwing insults. So I would want it to stand. But no one is obliged to engage with them.

There have been threads on homophobia and racism that have been allowed to stand and had long discussions. The ones where someone chucks out a racist/homophobic comment and then doesn't back it up do get pulled - as their is no debate their - it's pointless offensiveness.

"But on that ridiculous ADHD thread, almost everyone disagrees with the OP as far as I can see and there were many comments."

Yes, but it is STILL THERE. Racist or homophobic comments wouldn't be.

"I reported the ADHD thread and got a "it's not illegal what he's saying" kind of response which I think is bollocks.They have pulled other threads for less in the past."

Thank you. Every report of this kind is appreciated, it really is. But therein lies the problem, the rights of the disabled (apart from in the workplace) are largely not protected in law. However, just because it's legal does it make it morally acceptable?

I don't know if anyone has noticed but this is not just one person from the SN boards that has been offended, there are a hell of a lot of us, and yet mnhq still sees fit to ignore the issue because it's 'not illegal'.

I don't think any one of us wants to stifle debate. A question such as "AIBU to wonder if ADHD is being over diagnosed" is very different to not acknowledging that it exists in any way, shape or form and I don't consider that at all offensive.

Just PLEASE... if mnhq are going to ignore us... PLEASE just think that there is a real life person that is being referred to in these comments. Look at your child, would you like your child to be referred to in this manner? Would you want a key part of them as a whole person denied existence?

I have no problem with comments made from not knowing, but I very much do have a problem with downright disablism which I consider is being allowed to flourish on this board.

I remmeber there were THREE threads on homophobia running at once. I know because I started 'OI! Homophobes over here!' which was a thread about a thread about a thread which ran for a week.

Pagwatch the poster may have
been an idiot, i am not defending the views of this person,( i have a niece who is sn), but i STIL believe that these views should be aired in order that people such as yourself can challenge these them.
Unfortunately , there are some so called rational individuals who agree with the views held by the poster and that is why it is important that these issues are discussed.

Sorry-STILL

How many times should we challenge this?
Over and over and over and over, all at considerable distress to us.

THESE ARE OUR BABIES THEY ARE DENIGRATING.

sadly imo it seems people are so caught in the worry that they might not "lear" something or worse still be stopped from saying something that they don't give a shit that a whole part of mn is being hurt,
remember everyone is only a car crash away from a wheelchair.
it can happen to anyone, bet if it was your loved one you would feel differently.

learn someone stole the n

It's not just our pet issue. This is our kids' lives they are getting off on commenting on.