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Children getting changed in front of the opposite sex for PE-age 8 and 9

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Ayerightyouare · 03/08/2010 22:25

I am new to posting,not lurking,and after a fab glass or two of Spar 2 bottles for £7.50 am off and running dear children at their grans for a sleepover,ahem
My children,boy age 8,and girl age 9,expressed extreme anxiety over the "changing for PE arrangements"...ie the girls had to get changed in front of the boys and vice versa,in the same classroom.
I saw the headteacher about this before the end of last term,and, to the point, was told that "Well,Mrs insert name,you are the only parent who has brought this up,I like children to be children,innocent,there is no problem,we don't have the staff to supervise 2 different sex groups,there is no problem,the children are okay with it,and you are welcome in to come and see them change in front of each other"
I told her about some of the,for want of a better word,pornographic things that I had heard children of this age speak about.
I do not agree with her,for the sole reason that my children have told me that they do not like this.And,I will not come in as a stranger and watch children changing when I know my own children's feelings on the matter.I explained that children in the school system are not going to go against their teacher when they know that they have no choice in the matter.
I really felt patronised TBH.
Now,in the last week,I have had an example of "creative writing" left on my kitchen table by a 10 yr old girl.I have lots of my children's friends around,and they often do "arts and crafts" at the kitchen table.
Here is what she wrote:

"My Daughter's name, you are a dick head, you suck dick, eat shit, you fancy name of boy,and have sex withname of other boy every night.
name of other boy has cheesy nipples and you suck them every night.Just to tell you how do you know boys name has cheesy nipples do you suck them, got it, you suck other boys name dick don't you? "
I mean,come on,this is a 10 year old girl.It is not her fault,she is just showing what that age group has been exposed to via the media.Her Mum is very very strict.
When the school term commences,I am making an appt with the headmistress and basically demanding that she allows children to retain their dignity when getting changed.I have spoken to my daughter regarding this piece of creative writing,she has just turned 9,and she is very uncomfortable about getting changed in front of boys considering what she has now been exposed to."Sucking Dicks" indeed. Am I being Unreasonable ?

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PixieOnaLeaf · 03/08/2010 23:00

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scottishmummy · 03/08/2010 23:02

im inclined to take pisss piss out all the self editing........

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ParanoidTwit · 03/08/2010 23:04

YANBU AND FRANKLY SURPRISED THAT MANY THINK YOU ARE!

I remember even at the age of 7 feeling very uncomfortable changing in front of boys. I think once kids get into Y3 they should change seperately. At the private schools my kids go to and where my friends have kids they have always had seperate changing facilities from reception.

The point is that if a child feels uncomfortable then they should not be made to change in front of the opposite sex.

Some have mentioned that it stopped when they got their period but many girls are now wearing bras at 9 because puberty is starting much earlier - do you think they should get changed in front of a boy whilst wearing a bra?

StormyWeather · 03/08/2010 23:05

No they didn't Pixie. Must check with my daughter and daughter-in-law what happens these days - their children go to the same school.

scottishmummy · 03/08/2010 23:05

haha good i didnt say plooooooooooop then

Haliborange · 03/08/2010 23:05

I don't know about the rest and don't have the energy to read it, but I do know that at 9 I would not have been happy to get changed in front of boys. I distinctly remember being quite shy about getting changed in an all-girls changing room at that age.

StormyWeather · 03/08/2010 23:07

scottishmummy are you taking the piss out of my self-editing? Is there a reason you want to do that? Have I done you harm in some way?

scottishmummy · 03/08/2010 23:07

its the twitchy indignant post,hysterical flavour.cant really get the jist for all the other distractions

scurryfunge · 03/08/2010 23:07

OP, you are talking shite.

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StormyWeather · 03/08/2010 23:09

You lot really are a lot of bitches. Someone comes on with a concern, and all she gets is abuse.

Stuff your pathetic forum, I'm outta here.

SirBoobAlot · 03/08/2010 23:10

Paranoid I was wearing a bra aged nine. I was also shaving my arms and legs. And yes, I felt self concious, but I was more bothered by the girls than the boys. Should I have been allowed a private changed room? Or should I have had to - shock horror - got on with, because I would have to change communally for the next seven years?

scurryfunge · 03/08/2010 23:10

Hardly a genuine concern. Byeee

SirBoobAlot · 03/08/2010 23:11

Stormy, I take it you don't venture onto AIBU often..?

scottishmummy · 03/08/2010 23:11

bitches?thats supposed to make us contrite? get a grip

ParanoidTwit · 03/08/2010 23:17

SirBoobAlot if there are seperate changing rooms then the developed girls would not need to be singled out and sent off elsewhere.

And it's not about you it's about girls feeling uncomfortable. They get all this paedo chat about not letting anyone make you feel uncomfortable and then are confused because they feel uncomfortable but are not listened too!

Ayerightyouare · 03/08/2010 23:19

My daughter,age 9,won't get changed in front of her brother,age 8 (bedroom doors slamming,and shouts of "Mum,get him OUT of my room" ) so why should they be expected to get changed in front of the opposite sex in school? Especially now that my daughter has been exposed to all that stuff about in the "creative writing" re sucking dicks etc bt the 10 yr old?

I am a bit frigged at the initial dismissive responses to my post,though maybe i was assumed to be a troll because of the stuff in the creative writing by the 10 yr old.

I bet the headmistress wouldn't get changed in a mixed sex group.Why should my kids have to if they feel uncomfortable.
Ach,Feck it,I am going to stick up for them.

Thanks for your opinions,will contribute to other threads.

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ParanoidTwit · 03/08/2010 23:21

I would challenge it with the LEA if you get nowhere. There is no way a child should find school intimidating and uncomfortable especially when it comes to peronal matters. I imagine if you escalated it they would sort something out immediately.

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SirBoobAlot · 03/08/2010 23:22

So you expect schools to have individual changing rooms for each pupil? Average state secondary class is 30, classes normally double up for PE... So you expect about 70 cubicles, giving that there may be slightly over the average?

As for primary school, I'm not even going to justify that with an answer, because frankly, its nuts.

scurryfunge · 03/08/2010 23:23

There are paedophiles in your home OP.....arrrgggghhh!!!

ffs