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Relations between China and the UK

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LittleFingerStrength · 14/03/2023 12:30

If there is a thread on this already I apologise.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11857821/China-warns-AUKUS-deal-going-dangerous-path.html

There has been talk for a very long time, so it's no surprise. I understand we will be at war with them in possibly 18 plus months.

I gather we obtain a lot of pharma drugs from India.

I don't know a great deal about trade with China and who they can control trade with us if at war.

I understand they are in BRICS so those countries loyalty is likely to China.

What can be done on a personal level to deal with the potential changes in trade?

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Igotjelly · 22/03/2023 14:14

"Trauma like CSA can cause personality disorders, the personality disordered can then be used as a army." - I'm sorry what? As a CSA survivor this is frankly offensive.

LittleFingerStrength · 22/03/2023 14:24

The movement is enforced through strategies of shaming and moral posturing. It is presented as kind, tolerant and progressive, based on the principles of acceptance and inclusion. Any opposition or questioning is decried as phobic, bigoted, discriminatory and exclusionary. It employs a range of defamatory labels to prevent debate and silence criticism.

https://www.transgendertrend.com/identity-politics-sex-education-schools/

Those that enabled wokery won't be tolerated by BRICS nation leaders, they don't like it anymore than the silent majority in the west do. People will trip over each other (fear and reprisals at the bullies) to tell an invading force that takes control who bullied woke nonsense in the staff room and HR department or which social media mods enabled this and along with the kneelers and those who like glue, they will be made an example of. The totalitarian in the west will meet a whole new type of totalitarianism.

You think people are cowards now towards the woke, the west will piss their pants if we lose the war and we likely will in my opinion. I see NHS and education staff too weak to stand up to rediclious ideologies, they won't stand a chance against BRICS nations in a war.

There has been a 900% increase in Chinese entering the USA. I noticed that Iceland has had a sharp rise in asylum applications and the result has been their MPs have voted to remove benefits from those whose applications have not been upheld. Where will those people who made unsuccessful asylum applications go? They will be undocumented I assume arriving elsewhere, so there will be no paper trail to see why they were refused in Iceland.

Identity politics and sex education in schools - Transgender Trend

Reviewing sex education in schools is not enough without tackling the gender identity ideology that lies beneath it.

https://www.transgendertrend.com/identity-politics-sex-education-schools

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Igotjelly · 22/03/2023 14:41

Provide all the links you like (nice to see at least some that aren't from the Daily Mail) but what you're inferring is that those of us 'damaged' by the trauma of CSA are/will be used as an army which is honestly just bullshit and, as I said above, offensive.

And I'm not even sure where to start on your latest anti-woke rant.......

SquirrelNapkin · 22/03/2023 14:49

You seem very admiring of BRICS and the way that Russia and China treat the "woke" and particular members of society, OP

Ttwinkletoes · 22/03/2023 14:59

China needs the west as much as we need them - we buy all their stuff and keep their economy going!

Sadly we have handed all manufacturing to their cheaper economy.

I think we could do a China embargo. We have had to get used to high energy prices, shortages of veg, we could stop buying Chinese crap. Unfortunately they also make iPhones and other vital stuff.

Boris’ raucous squakus about the Aukus caucus - brill speech.

LittleFingerStrength · 22/03/2023 15:39

SquirrelNapkin · 22/03/2023 14:49

You seem very admiring of BRICS and the way that Russia and China treat the "woke" and particular members of society, OP

I am watching SWIFT not do well with the woke ESG banks that have collapsed , BRICKS is outside of that system. I am observing the world around me.

I really am fed up of people attributing things to others they never said, it's really disingenuous.

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LittleFingerStrength · 22/03/2023 15:44

Ttwinkletoes · 22/03/2023 14:59

China needs the west as much as we need them - we buy all their stuff and keep their economy going!

Sadly we have handed all manufacturing to their cheaper economy.

I think we could do a China embargo. We have had to get used to high energy prices, shortages of veg, we could stop buying Chinese crap. Unfortunately they also make iPhones and other vital stuff.

Boris’ raucous squakus about the Aukus caucus - brill speech.

China, Russia and others have changed how they do business since 2020.

Sanctions have caused a lot if pain for me due to inflation as have woke ideologies.

The whole boundaries things seems really inconsistent. Borders in Ukraine matter and not elsewhere. Boundaries for sacred castes of people and their feelings seem to matter more to some and others feelings don't seem to matter at all.

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LittleFingerStrength · 22/03/2023 16:08

US Secretary of State Antony Blinken has been speaking during a senate sub-committee hearing in the US.

He has told senators that China's political and material support for Russia goes against US interests, although he has seen no evidence that Beijing is supplying lethal weapons for Russia to use in the war in Ukraine.

Mr Blinken was speaking after Chinese president Xi Jinping's visit to Moscow earlier this week.

He said: "The stakes in Ukraine go well beyond Ukraine... I think it has a profound impact in Asia, for example."

China is looking at what happens in Ukraine "very carefully" and will draw lessons from how the world "stands up to Russian aggression", he added.

Russia's invasion has led to fears that China will feel emboldened to make a move on Taiwan, which it sees as Chinese territory.

Mr Blinken added: "I think if China’s looking at this – and they are looking at it very carefully – they will draw lessons for how the world comes together, or doesn’t, to stand up to this aggression."

If Russia was allowed to attack its neighbour with impunity, it would "open a Pandora's box" and lead to a "world of conflict", he said.

Unfortunately nobody has written on this thread what vulnerable people should do to make life as easy as possible during this potential period of change, shame.

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LittleFingerStrength · 22/03/2023 16:27

JUSTIN BRONK, a research fellow at London's Royal United Services Institute...

...Xi Jinping arrived in Moscow ready to take full advantage of Russia’s weakness; he extracted numerous promises from Putin on trade relations, long-term oil and gas infrastructure construction to supply Chinese needs at bargain prices, and other forms of ‘cooperation’ on terms that are heavily favourable to China...

...Against the Taliban in Afghanistan or Iranian-backed militias in Iraq, the fundamental question defining when the wars would end was when the US, UK and other allies would accept that they couldn’t win, and agree the messy and unpleasant concessions required to obtain a deal with the enemy for an end to the fighting...

...The solution to both factors is simple, but politically unwelcome: European nations including the UK must commit now to major investment in factory capacity and bulk orders for military vehicles, spares and above all ammunition. This will be hard at a time when there are so many demands on government spending, although such investment would be mostly spent in our own countries creating skilled jobs...

Handy that there is going to be all that extra free childcare and training for the over 50s and disabled.

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SerendipityJane · 22/03/2023 16:35

Handy that there is going to be all that extra free childcare and training for the over 50s and disabled.

You credit the UK with far too much foresight and political capacity to plan that far ahead. As we've seen, our leaders struggle to plan tomorrows lunch. The idea they could somehow reverse 50 years policy in 1 is laughable.

Southwestten · 22/03/2023 17:01

The old boss will be like the new boss, exploitative, hypocritical, corrupt and personality disordered

Sorry I don’t understand this - do you mean boss of UK or China or elsewhere?
Also, what is CSA? I tried to google it without success.

Igotjelly · 22/03/2023 17:03

Southwestten · 22/03/2023 17:01

The old boss will be like the new boss, exploitative, hypocritical, corrupt and personality disordered

Sorry I don’t understand this - do you mean boss of UK or China or elsewhere?
Also, what is CSA? I tried to google it without success.

Child sexual abuse.

LittleFingerStrength · 22/03/2023 17:03

...Experts say that China and Russia’s inclination to build their alignment against the US – and a world order more suited to their own more autocratic agendas – was driving the meeting, not interest in resolving the conflict in Ukraine.

As Xi left the Kremlin following a state dinner on Tuesday evening with Putin, his parting message reiterated his view that global power dynamics are shifting.

“Together, we should push forward these changes that have not happened for 100 years. Take care,” he said during a goodbye handshake with Putin, alluding to what Xi sees as an era where the West is fading and China is ascendant.

In their joint statement, the two authoritarian leaders called for promoting a “multipolar world” – a buzzword for a system not led by so-called Western values and rules, and pledged to work together to “safeguard the international system,” and the United Nations – where the two have a track record of blocking motions, including against actors like North Korea.

Alexander Korolev, an international relations expert at the University of New South Wales in Australia, said the joint statement showed an “overall convergence of Chinese and Russian world views and approaches to many international issues.”...

Russia and China pledged to “further deepen military mutual trust,” citing strengthening their military exchanges and cooperation and regularly organizing joint maritime and aerial patrols...

Russia has grown increasingly reliant on China as both an import market and an exporter of electronics after being slapped with sweeping sanctions.

The partners appeared poised to expand what has already been a surge in energy trade over the past year as Europe cut its reliance on Russia’s key resource.

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Southwestten · 22/03/2023 17:12

Thank you Igot

Southwestten · 22/03/2023 18:52

But no. If people want to move there go for it though.

MarshaBradyo is it easy for non-nationals to move to China? Or get jobs once there?
I know people go there to study but can they stay there indefinitely?

Embelline · 22/03/2023 20:28

This thread makes me feel really stupid! I can see there are some good points but there are quite a lot of other points that I can’t see how they link up. I think I need more sleep tbh.

interesting about body language @LittleFingerStrength what did you observe? To me they both look similar in body language but like I said, I need more sleep!

LittleFingerStrength · 22/03/2023 20:38

I look at the world in a neurodivergent way as that's how my brain works.

Neurotypicals are often used to being spoon fed links and reports. I amsoery you are expecting this thread and me to be held to the standard of a university Prof when I am not one?

There is a 'right think woke thread' elsewhere on Mumsnet where there isn't much mental challenge required. I have never posted there, though they had plenty to say about me there, and do seem to like coming here and getting the rage at me for not following their preferred format.

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LittleFingerStrength · 22/03/2023 20:56

I have been told in this thread something along the lines of...

The government knows more than you.

And

The government has zero foresight.

I have gotten to a point in life where I have noted I have good foresight. I didn't always act in it when young for various reasons and this thread is about helping vulnerable people have a little more comfort in what is likely to come by getting things that help and mitigate difficulties.

I am a bit understandable defensive now as there were people trying to get me deleted and set me up on this thread and another, because I don't part share their woke myopic sycophants world view.

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Bananabreadandcupofcoffeethanks · 23/03/2023 04:05

Those that enabled wokery won't be tolerated by BRICS nation leaders, they don't like it anymore than the silent majority in the west do. People will trip over each other (fear and reprisals at the bullies) to tell an invading force that takes control who bullied woke nonsense in the staff room and HR department or which social media mods enabled this and along with the kneelers and those who like glue, they will be made an example of. The totalitarian in the west will meet a whole new type of totalitarianism.

You sound like you are actively looking forward to this invasion you're gleefully predicting Hmm

Igotjelly · 23/03/2023 07:16

Really interesting analysis of the Xi visit to Moscow on yesterday's Ukraine the Latest podcast (dare I say it Francis could even have been deemed to be positive....) In summary the view is that for all the pomp and ceremony it was really a great deal of fluff and nothingness, and essentially, as we've been saying, has just reiterated that Russia is the junior partner and little more than an energy supplier at this stage. Even the much vaunted multiple agreements that were going to be signed are a big load of nothing, other than the agreement on the Siberian pipeline.

Igotjelly · 23/03/2023 07:16

Sorry wrong thread.

Embelline · 23/03/2023 08:36

@LittleFingerStrength why so aggressive when all I’m doing is asking a question? I said there were some good points but apparently this is expecting you to be held to a university professor standard?! I’m sorry, what?!

I asked what your observations were. Sharing an observation that you’d already commented on so therefore drawn attention to - ie the fact you had observations - is hardly some kind of form of higher intelligence unfairly expected of you.

Embelline · 23/03/2023 08:36

@Igotjelly i know you posted that in the wrong thread but that podcast sounds really interesting, thank you.

Igotjelly · 23/03/2023 08:50

Embelline · 23/03/2023 08:36

@Igotjelly i know you posted that in the wrong thread but that podcast sounds really interesting, thank you.

It is good, on every weekday. Also if you’re interested in anything China related the Sinica podcast is really good.

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