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Crisis What Crisis? The One You Start To Wish You'd Stockpiled Like Your Crazy Friend? Continuation thread (3)

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RedToothBrush · 22/10/2026 10:05

Previous threads
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5576816-aibu-to-think-my-friend-is-overdoing-emergency-stockpiling?page=1
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5585259-crisis-what-crisis-is-my-friend-over-doing-the-stockpiling-and-am-i-too-continuation-thread-2?page=1

Continuation of the AIBU to think my friend is overdoing emergency stockpiling thread for discussion about the government advice to stockpile for an imminent emergency and what the heck that emergency might actually be.

Spoiler: it's more of a perfect storm of lots of factors coming together to potentially form one great clusterfuck from economic woes, global energy shortages (mainly diesel), potential food shortages, war and madmen to crazy weather patterns rather than a clear identifiable singular thread.
This is a practical thread and a bit of a handhold thread to make sense of events and how they may affect you. This is not an end of the world thread.

Remember an emergency can range from a temporary unexpected event to a much longer crisis but the underlying principles generally stay the same.

This is the official government information and advice, if you want further details on what the actual recommendations are:
https://prepare.campaign.gov.uk/get-prepared-for-emergencies/

ROUGH STATUS REPORT (as of 9am 22nd Oct - please note this isn't fully comprehensive, and is moving FAST)
Civil Unrest reported in:
France, Italy, Greece, Belgium, Albania, Indonesia - multi reasons, but largely due to economic pressures and the cost of living
Spain has had problems but these have temporarily stopped, probably due to significant weather related issues due to the Dana effect
More protests planned for this coming weekend
High Alert in the Middle East:
Netanyahu now committed to regime change in Iran, as he believes they are developing a nuke.
The US has pulled all Embassy Staff from Saudi Arabia and is hoping no one notices that they've ordered personal and families across the Gulf home and then seem to have lied that they have.
The Emir of Qatar has stated at their equivalent of the annual King's Speech at the Opening of Parliament that war was coming and to prepare for the worst scenarios. US pulling planes out of Qatar.
The Egyptian PM has warned the country of severe crisis ahead - given the nature of the country this is related to their alliance with Saudi Arabia and their reliance on the Suez Canal which the Yemeni rebels now control access to and their exposure to famine
Iran is saying if there is another attack, the gloves are off and they'll try and wipe out the middle east oil industry as they go down, as well as hitting critical civilian infrastructure.
Much movement / noise is similar to run up to the first US attacks this year. Debate over whether the attack will come before the Israeli Election or the US Midterms - possibly within 72hours - latest mood music suggests potentially this weekend. Seems to be shifting to a when not if.
Israel election: 27th Oct
Prices and Shortages:
Diesel needs no real reminder - we need it for haulage, mass transportation and farming, we are screwed without it. Fuel Emergency declarations in West Virgina, Kentucky, Michigan, Maryland, Arizona, Nebraska and Texas - typically allowing limited dyed diesel use for ag or commercial vehicles. Illinois and Missouri have also allowed by not under emergency orders. Less reported is the fertiliser shortage and knock on effect, poor yields this year and the effect of El Nino on next years, sulphur export bans and the blockade on Ukrainian and Russian wheat exports which are particularly crucial in feeding North Africa and the Middle East. This is liable to have significant impact on the UK with 6% rises in food already expected next year (and there's every reason to believe this will be higher especially with civil unrest all over the place). Reports of aviation fuel running low in some parts of Europe with emergency supplies (which can't last forever) being used.
El Nino:
See above about farming and also think of disasters - like the ones Spain is facing with flooding. Storm Austin is incoming and there is a weather warning for the South of England with power outages and flooding possible today/tomorrow.
The Internet:
PHP is 70% of the internet. Its got compromised so it can pretty much all be hacked. This is VERY BAD (in capital letters). Many websites offline whilst this is sorted including multiple government ones around the world.
Just AI generally - everything from putting everyone out of work to just hacking and killing us all. No Biggie.
Trump and the Mid Terms:
Trump is firmly losing his marbles. He's defected to Russia, can't stop rambling about men's arses, is waving at non-existent people, his team are known to be considering ways to impose martial law, he's getting heckled at Trump rallies by his own supporters, 83% of all voters think the biggest problem in the US now isn't the cost of living crisis but government corruption. He's being called a traitor by some of his fellow Reds. Mid Terms look a disaster and Trump probably won't accept them. He's reversing bills that Congress passed weeks ago by executive order.
Mid-Terms: 3rd Nov
Ukraine and Russia:
Ukraine facing massive problems still cos Elon has got the ump. Starlink isn't working at face enough speeds. They've bombed a shedload of Data Centres in Russia. This has killed off the Russian Internet and many Trump/Musk supporters in the process (one way or another) which screws up Twitter (and its value) for them. Ukraine is getting blamed for diesel shortages cos they refuse to stop hitting Russian refineries even though it has no choice now its been cut off by the US. Zelenskyy now says Trump isn't an ally. Trump wants Zelensky gone and thinks Putin is being reasonable and Ukraine doesn't want peace. Germany states it would have activated Art5 if the confirmed Russian sabotage attack on Liepzig had been successful.
Russia is apparently planning to step up its sabotage campaign in Europe after having successfully sunk a few boats in EU waters (Romania / Bulgaria - these sinkings have been in both international waters off the coast AND within their official territorial waters).
Economy:
Lots of debt. Much concern over the implications of this particularly with regards to AI and state debt in the US, UK, France and Japan (but not restricted to). Much money put into gold by China. Background of this bad given the approach of potentially multiple crisis.
France Moody's credit review: Due tomorrow 23rd Oct - expected to be not good especially in the current political climate in France
UK Budget: 28th October

They are all interconnected and one or many could tip us into abject chaos. Or not. The risks here are sky high. Of what? Take your pick.

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RedToothBrush · 22/10/2026 13:33

SkyNews
BREAKING: 32 government services offline and four partially unavailable, according to a minister adressing the House of Lords.

PHP.

OP posts:
Sunshineandrainbow · 22/10/2026 14:04

OneElatedBiscuit · 22/10/2026 12:48

New Torch and battery radio ordered

Some torches have twenty percent off with light20 code at Argos

Thanks for this, was just looking for some battery lights and bit of a minefield!

Rubydobydo · 22/10/2026 14:18

Wopple · 22/10/2026 12:53

I think if it gets to the point everyone is wishing they had 6 months of food just to survive then the country is pretty much in apocalypse type times.

My thought to if we did need 6 months of supplies. I think I’d rather be dead as life would be horrendously difficult. My DGcn can eat my stock.

FindingMeno · 22/10/2026 14:24

Charging powerbanks ready for the storm.
Not in one of the likely worse affected areas but no point having this stuff if its not ready just in case.

RedToothBrush · 22/10/2026 14:37

I fucking DESPAIR at the BBC

This is the BBC's live thread on the PHP breach.

'On it their Cyber Correspondent Joe Tidy states
He didn't know PHP existed until yesterday morning '

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/ckgel5xp2xv9t

See the screenshot, if you are struggling to find the article in the feed.

It's 100% genuine.

And whilst I appreciate it's old tech, given 70% of the cyber internet runs on it and you come across many websites ending in php, I'm actually disgusted.

This is a level of knowledge fair below a basic minimum for this job, which should be by nature technical and understand technology. Particularly given how cyber crime aka hacking is such an important part of the job.

It's like a geography teacher saying "I'd never heard of China until today"

Crisis What Crisis? The One You Start To Wish You'd Stockpiled Like Your Crazy Friend? Continuation thread (3)
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ringsnthings · 22/10/2026 14:45

'On it their Cyber Correspondent Joe Tidy states
He didn't know PHP existed until yesterday morning '

Honestly my flabber is truly gasted at that!!

NoisyStreet · 22/10/2026 14:51

Thank you for the continuation of the threads. On the back of @RedToothBrush comments at end of last one I did one extra shop and included some items for other family members. I am particularly concerned for the pregnant one and bought calpol and other baby bits because I remember the panic in 2020 when parents couldn't get milk/calpol. And plenty of water.

Lots of tinned soup too.

I'm tempted to take notes from this thread in case mumsnet goes down. I've downloaded the thread too. Does anyone know what can happen to downloaded books on kindle? Under what circumstances would they 'disappear'?

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OneElatedBiscuit · 22/10/2026 15:25

They like their clipart

NoisyStreet · 22/10/2026 15:25

That looks nicely straightforward. I wonder how well it will be received.

ringsnthings · 22/10/2026 15:37

Just a wee note incase anyone may have some medical conditions..you can apply to be added to a priority list for services in an emergency for Gas, Electricity and Water. Not sure how much it would help but worth a try.

HeckYeah · 22/10/2026 16:06

Checking in.

On the news the other day there was a hypothetical report released by the Federation of Swedish Farmers regarding our food security. The report calculated what would happen if all food imports suddenly just stopped. Tomatoes would be the first item to run out, specifically in December 2026. Cheese would last a bit longer, running out by March 2027.

I think the study was meant to highlight our vulnerability and the need to strengthen domestic farming, not to warn of an actual shortage though. But still.

Holeymoley28 · 22/10/2026 16:10

I clicked the be ready link and I don’t know what I was expecting but it was more than that 😅

TokyoSushi · 22/10/2026 16:12

Holeymoley28 · 22/10/2026 16:10

I clicked the be ready link and I don’t know what I was expecting but it was more than that 😅

Yes! it's a bit, erm, basic?!

HeckYeah · 22/10/2026 16:15

TokyoSushi · 22/10/2026 16:12

Yes! it's a bit, erm, basic?!

Very basic.

Here is ours if anyone is interested. But it’s not new and it’s not the first one either.

rib.msb.se/filer/pdf/31523.pdf

Holeymoley28 · 22/10/2026 16:19

And I agree why is Wes talking about it when it’s being claimed to be for wildfires and flooding.

Smells fishy.

Namechangewegovyjune26 · 22/10/2026 16:20

Sunshineandrainbow · 22/10/2026 10:23

Thanks for the new thread

I need to make a plan where to hide and keep cash safe. I have under 300 at the moment but as it grows I need a better plan.

Cash safe and safe from fire too? If anyone has any suggestions I would be grateful, thanks

You can buy a fireproof document bag. I have one with passports and important docs. You could keep cash inside?

Holeymoley28 · 22/10/2026 16:26

Our important documents are kept in the ammo locker in the gun safe. I’m sure that’s got a good fire rating. You’d hope so 😬😅

TokyoSushi · 22/10/2026 16:27

HeckYeah · 22/10/2026 16:15

Very basic.

Here is ours if anyone is interested. But it’s not new and it’s not the first one either.

rib.msb.se/filer/pdf/31523.pdf

That's more like it!

EasternStandard · 22/10/2026 16:35

Here for the updates, thanks

Rubydobydo · 22/10/2026 16:41

Holeymoley28 · 22/10/2026 16:26

Our important documents are kept in the ammo locker in the gun safe. I’m sure that’s got a good fire rating. You’d hope so 😬😅

Ditto. Ours are in another metal box inside the cabinet.
That reminds me - I must put away some deeds.

Bluelake · 22/10/2026 16:42

ringsnthings · 22/10/2026 15:37

Just a wee note incase anyone may have some medical conditions..you can apply to be added to a priority list for services in an emergency for Gas, Electricity and Water. Not sure how much it would help but worth a try.

I suspect those on the priority list would have to wait a while for any support. My Mum is on it, woke up to no power and they phoned around 11.30am suggesting she go elsewhere with power. Nothing else they could do, but tell her they were dealing with it. .

I went and got her for a few hours, but she wanted to be home to ensure heating would come on when power was back (it was close to freezing). Lighting came back on around 8.30pm, and they hadn't tried to phone back in the meantime.

Pumpup · 22/10/2026 16:52

Hi all. New here. Is there a handy list anywhere of the basic items I should have? Long life food, torch and batteries… etc.
thank you

MrsPapillon · 22/10/2026 17:05

HeckYeah · 22/10/2026 16:15

Very basic.

Here is ours if anyone is interested. But it’s not new and it’s not the first one either.

rib.msb.se/filer/pdf/31523.pdf

That’s much better than ours. If our government released that here in the UK I’m sure 50% of the population would lose their shit, which is why our lot have told us essentially to prepare for a bit of bad weather. It’s extremely patronising.

However, you only need to read the responses of some of the naysayers on these threads to see that most people in the UK have no idea that war is imminent.

OneElatedBiscuit · 22/10/2026 17:06

Most people will ignore for wildfire or floods