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Crisis What Crisis? The One You Start To Wish You'd Stockpiled Like Your Crazy Friend? Continuation thread (3)

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RedToothBrush · 22/10/2026 10:05

Previous threads
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5576816-aibu-to-think-my-friend-is-overdoing-emergency-stockpiling?page=1
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5585259-crisis-what-crisis-is-my-friend-over-doing-the-stockpiling-and-am-i-too-continuation-thread-2?page=1

Continuation of the AIBU to think my friend is overdoing emergency stockpiling thread for discussion about the government advice to stockpile for an imminent emergency and what the heck that emergency might actually be.

Spoiler: it's more of a perfect storm of lots of factors coming together to potentially form one great clusterfuck from economic woes, global energy shortages (mainly diesel), potential food shortages, war and madmen to crazy weather patterns rather than a clear identifiable singular thread.
This is a practical thread and a bit of a handhold thread to make sense of events and how they may affect you. This is not an end of the world thread.

Remember an emergency can range from a temporary unexpected event to a much longer crisis but the underlying principles generally stay the same.

This is the official government information and advice, if you want further details on what the actual recommendations are:
https://prepare.campaign.gov.uk/get-prepared-for-emergencies/

ROUGH STATUS REPORT (as of 9am 22nd Oct - please note this isn't fully comprehensive, and is moving FAST)
Civil Unrest reported in:
France, Italy, Greece, Belgium, Albania, Indonesia - multi reasons, but largely due to economic pressures and the cost of living
Spain has had problems but these have temporarily stopped, probably due to significant weather related issues due to the Dana effect
More protests planned for this coming weekend
High Alert in the Middle East:
Netanyahu now committed to regime change in Iran, as he believes they are developing a nuke.
The US has pulled all Embassy Staff from Saudi Arabia and is hoping no one notices that they've ordered personal and families across the Gulf home and then seem to have lied that they have.
The Emir of Qatar has stated at their equivalent of the annual King's Speech at the Opening of Parliament that war was coming and to prepare for the worst scenarios. US pulling planes out of Qatar.
The Egyptian PM has warned the country of severe crisis ahead - given the nature of the country this is related to their alliance with Saudi Arabia and their reliance on the Suez Canal which the Yemeni rebels now control access to and their exposure to famine
Iran is saying if there is another attack, the gloves are off and they'll try and wipe out the middle east oil industry as they go down, as well as hitting critical civilian infrastructure.
Much movement / noise is similar to run up to the first US attacks this year. Debate over whether the attack will come before the Israeli Election or the US Midterms - possibly within 72hours - latest mood music suggests potentially this weekend. Seems to be shifting to a when not if.
Israel election: 27th Oct
Prices and Shortages:
Diesel needs no real reminder - we need it for haulage, mass transportation and farming, we are screwed without it. Fuel Emergency declarations in West Virgina, Kentucky, Michigan, Maryland, Arizona, Nebraska and Texas - typically allowing limited dyed diesel use for ag or commercial vehicles. Illinois and Missouri have also allowed by not under emergency orders. Less reported is the fertiliser shortage and knock on effect, poor yields this year and the effect of El Nino on next years, sulphur export bans and the blockade on Ukrainian and Russian wheat exports which are particularly crucial in feeding North Africa and the Middle East. This is liable to have significant impact on the UK with 6% rises in food already expected next year (and there's every reason to believe this will be higher especially with civil unrest all over the place). Reports of aviation fuel running low in some parts of Europe with emergency supplies (which can't last forever) being used.
El Nino:
See above about farming and also think of disasters - like the ones Spain is facing with flooding. Storm Austin is incoming and there is a weather warning for the South of England with power outages and flooding possible today/tomorrow.
The Internet:
PHP is 70% of the internet. Its got compromised so it can pretty much all be hacked. This is VERY BAD (in capital letters). Many websites offline whilst this is sorted including multiple government ones around the world.
Just AI generally - everything from putting everyone out of work to just hacking and killing us all. No Biggie.
Trump and the Mid Terms:
Trump is firmly losing his marbles. He's defected to Russia, can't stop rambling about men's arses, is waving at non-existent people, his team are known to be considering ways to impose martial law, he's getting heckled at Trump rallies by his own supporters, 83% of all voters think the biggest problem in the US now isn't the cost of living crisis but government corruption. He's being called a traitor by some of his fellow Reds. Mid Terms look a disaster and Trump probably won't accept them. He's reversing bills that Congress passed weeks ago by executive order.
Mid-Terms: 3rd Nov
Ukraine and Russia:
Ukraine facing massive problems still cos Elon has got the ump. Starlink isn't working at face enough speeds. They've bombed a shedload of Data Centres in Russia. This has killed off the Russian Internet and many Trump/Musk supporters in the process (one way or another) which screws up Twitter (and its value) for them. Ukraine is getting blamed for diesel shortages cos they refuse to stop hitting Russian refineries even though it has no choice now its been cut off by the US. Zelenskyy now says Trump isn't an ally. Trump wants Zelensky gone and thinks Putin is being reasonable and Ukraine doesn't want peace. Germany states it would have activated Art5 if the confirmed Russian sabotage attack on Liepzig had been successful.
Russia is apparently planning to step up its sabotage campaign in Europe after having successfully sunk a few boats in EU waters (Romania / Bulgaria - these sinkings have been in both international waters off the coast AND within their official territorial waters).
Economy:
Lots of debt. Much concern over the implications of this particularly with regards to AI and state debt in the US, UK, France and Japan (but not restricted to). Much money put into gold by China. Background of this bad given the approach of potentially multiple crisis.
France Moody's credit review: Due tomorrow 23rd Oct - expected to be not good especially in the current political climate in France
UK Budget: 28th October

They are all interconnected and one or many could tip us into abject chaos. Or not. The risks here are sky high. Of what? Take your pick.

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CrispyK · Today 08:23

Jeez reading about the amount of stuff some people are buying…. You’re not supposed to try and buy everything all at once!
It will create shortages.
It will increase prices.
It may lead to rationing.

GentleSheep · Today 08:43

CrispyK · Today 08:23

Jeez reading about the amount of stuff some people are buying…. You’re not supposed to try and buy everything all at once!
It will create shortages.
It will increase prices.
It may lead to rationing.

People buy more than 3 days' worth of food/drink before Christmas every year! It didn't do any of the above.

SnowflakesandSlippers · Today 08:49

GentleSheep · Today 08:43

People buy more than 3 days' worth of food/drink before Christmas every year! It didn't do any of the above.

I was thinking about Christmas. We start adding a few treat items with each shop from the start of October. This means that if we have a prolonged powercut, or similar, between now and Christmas we shall be obliged to enjoy some of those a bit early.

PreparationPreventsPPP · Today 08:50

@GentleSheep my DH is obsessed with marmelade ! He loves it !
So that is good news for us but I've just heard on good morning that these measures will.save someone 40p a week !

GentleSheep · Today 09:13

PreparationPreventsPPP · Today 08:50

@GentleSheep my DH is obsessed with marmelade ! He loves it !
So that is good news for us but I've just heard on good morning that these measures will.save someone 40p a week !

I love it too but like St Dalfour 'orange fruit spread' which IS marmalade for all intents and purposes but I think the sugar content is too low for it to be called 'marmalade' so perhaps won't be included!

NoisyStreet · Today 09:20

If there is a steady upswing in purchasing, it will be reflected in the amount being delivered to supermarkets I think, so I think the drip feed approach has been quite successful in that regard.

RedToothBrush · Today 09:27

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqly3v5vz4kko

A 24-year-old man has been charged with assisting a foreign intelligence service over last month's incident near RAF Fairford.

Mohmed Abdulkarim and another man, Nouman Essghir, 24, who has been charged with entering a prohibited place for a purpose prejudicial to the UK, will appear at Westminster Magistrates' Court later.

Another man, a 25-year-old UK-Iranian national, has been released without charge, counter-terror police have said.

Man looking in a police car at RAF Fairford

Two men charged under National Security Act after RAF Fairford incident

Two men have been charged with national security offences after an incident near RAF Fairford last month, the Crown Prosecution Service has said.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqly3v5vz4kko

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RedToothBrush · Today 09:28

Newsnight has found some retailers have seen large increases in sales after the Defence Secretary urged people to stock up last week:

Radios +160% (Robert Dyas)
Torches +284% (Maplin)
Tinned goods +40% (Iceland)

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Lalgarh · Today 09:36

I had a wind up radio from way back but the aerial is broken, and now, where once 2 minutes winding gave you 30 minutes play the dynamo is kaput

Legoandloldolls · Today 09:51

Lalgarh · Today 09:36

I had a wind up radio from way back but the aerial is broken, and now, where once 2 minutes winding gave you 30 minutes play the dynamo is kaput

That's why I checked my power banks and replaced three last month. A few have lost significant capacity. But they was quite old. I also replaced most of my head torches as they had "wondered" off.

All of this was much cheaper to replace last month. I think im going to stock check once a year but im not sure when the best time is for camping stuff? End of summer maybe? Camping sales?

I bought a handheld fan in the hight of summer for £11. Then end of September for £2.50 in the sales. Stocked them for next years prep too.

Maybe we need to do a dry run?

Seasidewalker · Today 09:52

It amuses me how resistant the English* are to the idea that they might have a few days food in hand for any reason (not just zombie apocalypse) 🤷‍♀️. We haven't been food shopping for 11 days and we don't need to go now. I get that we are fortunate to have freezer space but we don't have a huge kitchen with lots of storage.

When we didn't have a decent sized Tesco closer (6 miles) to us probably 15 years ago and delivery charges were more expensive and slotswere difficult to get, I used to shop monthly.

  • I say English as I suspect the Scots and Welsh are often more aware of adverse weather.
GentleSheep · Today 10:17

Ooh talking of freezers, that reminds me of a tip I saw yesterday to make sure your freezer is always at max fullness (therefore stays frozen for longest if the power goes off). Use some ziplock plastic bags, fill around 2/3 full with water and pack any spaces in your freezer. These will keep your food really cold and also will provide a source of drinking water should you need it!

AndyouWILLATONE · Today 10:38

GentleSheep · Today 10:17

Ooh talking of freezers, that reminds me of a tip I saw yesterday to make sure your freezer is always at max fullness (therefore stays frozen for longest if the power goes off). Use some ziplock plastic bags, fill around 2/3 full with water and pack any spaces in your freezer. These will keep your food really cold and also will provide a source of drinking water should you need it!

Great tip thank you!

EasternStandard · Today 11:10

PreparationPreventsPPP · Today 08:50

@GentleSheep my DH is obsessed with marmelade ! He loves it !
So that is good news for us but I've just heard on good morning that these measures will.save someone 40p a week !

It’s probably more a headline filler than savings.

Clearingthedecks · Today 11:21

After reading posts here, am now feeling comforted by living within sight of two separate graveyards, and am recycling the water from my hot water bottle into a bucket to flush the toilet with - postive things!

Natsku · Today 11:29

You can't flush the toilet with a bucket if there's a powercut over a wider area that affects water supply, nothing should be going down the loo in that situation

bellinisurge · Today 11:34

@Natsku. My understanding is that you can unless you have a smart loo or sewage from your house relies on a pump to get it away from your house. Most people’s loos - happy to be corrected- rely on gravity

FindingMeno · Today 11:35

I know it's wrong of me, but I'm so infuriated by the reluctance of people to listen to the message, it makes me feel like I will still go out and shop for things if something happens, despite having a little stash, while there's still anything to be had!

bellinisurge · Today 11:48

@FindingMeno I agree. Disliking Andy Burnham (and I’m not a huge fan) is no reason to ignore sensible advice.

Natsku · Today 12:21

bellinisurge · Today 11:34

@Natsku. My understanding is that you can unless you have a smart loo or sewage from your house relies on a pump to get it away from your house. Most people’s loos - happy to be corrected- rely on gravity

The sanitation script linked in the thread explicitly says not to flush anything down the toilet as the sewerage system will not be working.

bellinisurge · Today 12:23

@natsku fair enough. Cat litter in a bucket is is then

Legoandloldolls · Today 12:25

People on MN broadly fall into three camps on this.

People who expect a storm / short term issues.

People are building bunkers for WW3 and have been since pre covid.

People who are angry that its not going to be done for them and everything is a distraction by the gov to hide a bigger picture ( which includes anything the gov has zero control over like Trump, the weather or say earthquakes).

I think its safe to find a middle line.

Also got me thinking who would want to help out the professionally outraged who's plan is to loot? Like everyone assumes they are more equipped to break in others houses. My son has two replica swords, one is blue belt in Karate. My dh has a baseball bat and we grew in in one of the most deprived areas of England and lived in London so not much we have seen first hand that England can offer so far. Lots of extended family are ex military so even worse luck trying it on with them. They know to use guns. Have seen people blown up next to them. How is some mumsnetter going to fair with a ex para who has seen recent active service? I'd rather spend £10 on 30 tins of beans..seems like a easier option.

Clearingthedecks · Today 12:27

Sorry, should have mentioned the water saved from my hot water bottle is for normal everyday flushings, not for in a crisis.

In the last hour while I was browsing on Amazon, the camping gas stove in my basket increased by £1 and the gas cartridges went out of stock.
Was able to buy a similar gas stove, estimated delivery 2 weeks to a month and for the gas cartridges, I'll get an email when available.
Looks like they all manufactured in Lyon.

ringsnthings · Today 12:30

Natsku · Today 12:21

The sanitation script linked in the thread explicitly says not to flush anything down the toilet as the sewerage system will not be working.

Really hope no-one is going to be flushing in my street!

I'm the last house at the bottom of the street in a bungalow, in a flood area. Have already been completely wiped out and lost everything previously. Don't think I could cope again.

Natsku · Today 12:38

ringsnthings · Today 12:30

Really hope no-one is going to be flushing in my street!

I'm the last house at the bottom of the street in a bungalow, in a flood area. Have already been completely wiped out and lost everything previously. Don't think I could cope again.

Really hope they don't! Sanitation advice really needs to be made clear to everyone.