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Labour isn't Working - Thread 42

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Nuthatch26 · 11/10/2026 16:35

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government. 💙☕️

We're gearing up for the Burnham budget. 😬

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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SapphireCasino · Yesterday 14:10

justasking111 · Yesterday 13:57

If a poorly educated Raynor getting the better of Mahmood then she's not up for the job imo

That’s not really what’s happening, though

Mahmood suggested stuff which frankly I think she doesn’t believe in, and the party certainly doesn’t believe in, and AR is pushing back on that.

(It may be that SM believes what she’s saying, but she will counteract it by making a more official scheme which will allow everyone in)

Regardless, neither of them have any intention of amending policy on immigration - at least not in a way that reduces it.

I’m actually quite surprised that they would disagree over it. Because their underlying beliefs are probably exactly the same.

Dinnerontheterrace · Yesterday 14:17

I think you are right Saphire.

Dinnerontheterrace · Yesterday 14:23

Madeline Grant, always amusing:

https://archive.ph/neHJM

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about this subject:

Nuthatch26 · Yesterday 14:26

ImNotAsCooperativeAsYouMightWantAWomanToBe · Yesterday 10:53

Made me laugh...

😂

The Burnham cartoons are getting better by the day.

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Nuthatch26 · Yesterday 14:27

Dragonscaledaisy · Yesterday 13:55

Well, I'm a lurker - Kemi all the way for me right now. I think she's doing a fantastic job. I'm watching with glee as Burnham digs himself into an ever deeper hole.

Welcome 😊

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Dragonscaledaisy · Yesterday 14:29

Nuthatch26 · Yesterday 14:27

Welcome 😊

Thank you. Much appreciated. 😊

justasking111 · Yesterday 14:29

I hope we're not faced with this

Labour isn't Working - Thread 42
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Nuthatch26 · Yesterday 14:31

BooHissScarySeason · Yesterday 13:56

I don’t think telling people they’re thinking incorrectly, need educating, are being manipulated by bots and are in an existential fight for democracy is working. Tbh I do feel Kemi is right that people are tired of hubris. It didn’t work for Trump and I doubt it’ll win back many labour voters either.

So true. Its having the opposite effect if anything.

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Nuthatch26 · Yesterday 14:33

SapphireCasino · Yesterday 14:10

That’s not really what’s happening, though

Mahmood suggested stuff which frankly I think she doesn’t believe in, and the party certainly doesn’t believe in, and AR is pushing back on that.

(It may be that SM believes what she’s saying, but she will counteract it by making a more official scheme which will allow everyone in)

Regardless, neither of them have any intention of amending policy on immigration - at least not in a way that reduces it.

I’m actually quite surprised that they would disagree over it. Because their underlying beliefs are probably exactly the same.

Edited

Yep, you were right about Mahmood.

I ignored the initial red flags and believed her for a while. Not anymore.

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Neverstopwondering · Yesterday 14:40

They were taught to argue that it is a “racist narrative” to claim migrants “put strain on underfunded services” and that worries about “bogus” asylum seekers must be undermined, with a nod to Antonio Gramsci, the Communist theorist. Above all, they were told: “How accurate these stories are is less important than the power of their narrative.”

So everything people have said about the far left doing anything to control the narrative has been proven to be true in this one course alone

Nuthatch26 · Yesterday 14:42

Dinnerontheterrace · Yesterday 14:23

Madeline Grant, always amusing:

https://archive.ph/neHJM

Oh this is fab. She's nailed Burnham and Davey is this piece.

Loved reading that, thank you. Had me giggling through my coffee break. 😂

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Nuthatch26 · Yesterday 14:43

justasking111 · Yesterday 14:29

I hope we're not faced with this

Oh God, no thanks!

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Nuthatch26 · Yesterday 14:46

Neverstopwondering · Yesterday 14:40

They were taught to argue that it is a “racist narrative” to claim migrants “put strain on underfunded services” and that worries about “bogus” asylum seekers must be undermined, with a nod to Antonio Gramsci, the Communist theorist. Above all, they were told: “How accurate these stories are is less important than the power of their narrative.”

So everything people have said about the far left doing anything to control the narrative has been proven to be true in this one course alone

Yep. Jaw dropping stuff.

Can't they just all move to Cuba and live their communist dream over there? Leave us in peace.

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Neverstopwondering · Yesterday 14:48

Always remember their are still far left antisemitic politicians in the Labour Party. Yes they cleaned up their act to some extent but that was mostly the loud nutty ones. Many of the ones left very much supported and defended this guy:

https://x.com/JakeWSimons/status/2109953994135331019?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Jake Wallis Simons (@JakeWSimons) on X

This you?

https://x.com/JakeWSimons/status/2109953994135331019?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Nuthatch26 · Yesterday 14:56

Neverstopwondering · Yesterday 14:48

Always remember their are still far left antisemitic politicians in the Labour Party. Yes they cleaned up their act to some extent but that was mostly the loud nutty ones. Many of the ones left very much supported and defended this guy:

https://x.com/JakeWSimons/status/2109953994135331019?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Many of the ones left very much supported and defended this guy:
Including Burnham, and Starmer once upon a time. My deep dislike of Keir Starmer started when he was in Corbyn's shadow cabinet.

Jeez. "Our friends from Hezbollah", "our friends from Hamas". 🤢🤢🤢

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Neverstopwondering · Yesterday 15:11

Nuthatch26 · Yesterday 14:56

Many of the ones left very much supported and defended this guy:
Including Burnham, and Starmer once upon a time. My deep dislike of Keir Starmer started when he was in Corbyn's shadow cabinet.

Jeez. "Our friends from Hezbollah", "our friends from Hamas". 🤢🤢🤢

I have seen on various threads lately people talking about Jez's old mates getting kicked out of Labour or moving to different party. That Labour cleaned the party of his stench type comments or discussions. Just wanted to remind people the Labour party was not totally cleansed. Many of the ones that had an eye on the prize are actually still there.

EasternStandard · Yesterday 15:15

Head of MI5 comments:

Sir Ken McCallum, the director-general of the Security Service, warned that revisiting the debate on the extent of Moscow’s influence over the 2016 vote risked empowering Russia.

His comments appeared to be a reference to the row that has engulfed Andy Burnham since he told the Rest is Politics podcast it was important to get “on the record” that Russia had interfered in the referendum.
The Prime Minister has since been forced to clarify his comments and insist that he respects the result of the referendum.

Sir Ken, speaking at the agency’s Thames House headquarters on Tuesday, said it was “up to us how far we allow our adversaries to divide us”.

He said: “I’m a little bit worried that [if] we all stay in this debate for another few days, the Russian trolls who didn’t appear to do all that much at various points over the years, they’ll be delighted they are front page news once again despite the comparative unimpressedness of what they do at all points along the journey.”

Neverstopwondering · Yesterday 15:35

EasternStandard · Yesterday 15:15

Head of MI5 comments:

Sir Ken McCallum, the director-general of the Security Service, warned that revisiting the debate on the extent of Moscow’s influence over the 2016 vote risked empowering Russia.

His comments appeared to be a reference to the row that has engulfed Andy Burnham since he told the Rest is Politics podcast it was important to get “on the record” that Russia had interfered in the referendum.
The Prime Minister has since been forced to clarify his comments and insist that he respects the result of the referendum.

Sir Ken, speaking at the agency’s Thames House headquarters on Tuesday, said it was “up to us how far we allow our adversaries to divide us”.

He said: “I’m a little bit worried that [if] we all stay in this debate for another few days, the Russian trolls who didn’t appear to do all that much at various points over the years, they’ll be delighted they are front page news once again despite the comparative unimpressedness of what they do at all points along the journey.”

So basically he is saying that the PM is a complete muppet

Nuthatch26 · Yesterday 16:07

EasternStandard · Yesterday 15:15

Head of MI5 comments:

Sir Ken McCallum, the director-general of the Security Service, warned that revisiting the debate on the extent of Moscow’s influence over the 2016 vote risked empowering Russia.

His comments appeared to be a reference to the row that has engulfed Andy Burnham since he told the Rest is Politics podcast it was important to get “on the record” that Russia had interfered in the referendum.
The Prime Minister has since been forced to clarify his comments and insist that he respects the result of the referendum.

Sir Ken, speaking at the agency’s Thames House headquarters on Tuesday, said it was “up to us how far we allow our adversaries to divide us”.

He said: “I’m a little bit worried that [if] we all stay in this debate for another few days, the Russian trolls who didn’t appear to do all that much at various points over the years, they’ll be delighted they are front page news once again despite the comparative unimpressedness of what they do at all points along the journey.”

He's having to tell the prime minister to stfu.

How embarrassing.

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justasking111 · Yesterday 18:36

Well no Russians offered the Welsh free bottles of vodka to vote their way obviously 😁 😁

Worrall20 · Yesterday 23:06

Dinnerontheterrace · Yesterday 14:23

Madeline Grant, always amusing:

https://archive.ph/neHJM

Brilliant, thanks 😀

SapphireCasino · Today 00:15

Neverstopwondering · Yesterday 14:40

They were taught to argue that it is a “racist narrative” to claim migrants “put strain on underfunded services” and that worries about “bogus” asylum seekers must be undermined, with a nod to Antonio Gramsci, the Communist theorist. Above all, they were told: “How accurate these stories are is less important than the power of their narrative.”

So everything people have said about the far left doing anything to control the narrative has been proven to be true in this one course alone

You know what is doubly annoying about this?

There is some really poisonous rhetoric, genuine racist rhetoric, around. I bet they’re not even acknowledging that - never mind addressing it.

Because here we are, however many years after Gordon Brown and Gillian Duffy. I don’t understand how politics systematic manages to be about 20 years behind the rest of society.

SubstandardMotelsOnTheLa · Today 08:57

There is some really poisonous rhetoric, genuine racist rhetoric, around. I bet they’re not even acknowledging that - never mind addressing it

Mahmood and Burnham both roundly condemned the nonce bonnets, tbf. So that's a start.

Nuthatch26 · Today 09:08

SubstandardMotelsOnTheLa · Today 08:57

There is some really poisonous rhetoric, genuine racist rhetoric, around. I bet they’re not even acknowledging that - never mind addressing it

Mahmood and Burnham both roundly condemned the nonce bonnets, tbf. So that's a start.

Who are you referring to here with 'nonce bonnets'?
Did Burnham or Mahmood use that term?

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Nuthatch26 · Today 09:22

I don't think Ed Davey will survive through to the next election. Very few of his MPs have come out to support him.
I wonder if 'irrelevant' Kemi will be the last leader standing?

Looking forward to PMQs today.

https://www.thetimes.com/article/3a9a052f-4176-4596-a81f-2c4b17f94fd7?shareToken=38d9615f88df32d59aed035d797c2260

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