Can they stoop any lower? Surely this is inhuman?

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From The Washington Post

The book description doesn’t match what you said. The book you mention sounds interesting though!

I'm cynical. They could always fashion a couple of lengths of timber into a shape that would approximate him standing up to reduce any impact upon the firing squad of shooting a bloke in a wheelchair. That'll probably get the viewing figures up.

bet some would prefer the wood set on fire, too.

They are probably just hoping to get the modern Left to vote for them, and wave the American flag in the streets.

' lose it' ..kill someone. And yes, more chance of being a victim than a perpetrator...but there is no coming back from the death penalty. Like a PP said ...chances are negligible of courts getting things wrong but a bit sad if YOU happen to be the 'neglible 'and get to face capital punishment

Prisoners executed by firing squad in the USA are killed sitting down.

I feel extremely confident that none of my family would 'lose it' and murder another human being, yes. Do you not? That's a little worrisome.

Personally, I don't think spending 25+ years in prison and then being executed is that much worse than spending 25+ years in prison. But as I said, I'm not legally in favour of the death penalty. I just think the 'what if you or your family member was falsely accused' argument is a bit of a stretch.

It’s that the state needs to be a moderating force to keep society ordered and safe. Rolling up
your sleeves and getting all in with the absolute worst of humanity and getting down to their level is frightening and unsettling for everyone. If the state do this what else will they do? And that’s the underlying message by publicising it.

Today a murderer tomorrow people they don’t agree with? It’s the bigger picture as to why it’s so repellent.

Numerous examples of people being falsely accused throughout history . Good to see that you are confident enough in the future that it will never happen in your family. Would love to know how you can predict the future like that.

Numerous examples of people being struck by lightning too, but I'm not really fretting about that, either.

Your mixing up justice with retribution and revenge. Our judicial system has to adhere to laws that have governed and shaped our lives for centuries to ensure a fair and thorough trial. They uphold that law on our behalf, and pass sentence on those who have broken the laws of society. If the upholders of law were to choose to punish using murder, then they are holding themselves above the law they advocate and protect.

But wouldn’t that apply to keeping someone a prisoner too. If a member of the public were to lock someone up, and keep someone a prisoner, they would be charged with a crime.

Is the state wrong to imprison somebody, because it would be a crime the ordinary citizen did the same?

There must be some law allowing for the death penalty in the US states which still carry it out. Whether that is for good or bad is a different thing.

Agree with you that they will stoop lower. I follow Mary Trump's YouTube channel. As I'm sure you know she's Trump's neice, a clinical psychologist and as different from her uncle as sunshine is from sewage. Her view is that there will always be a worst with Trump, that there are no limits to his depravity. She does not diagnose him because of course no responsible clinician diagnoses people they have not assessed. She has great insight into the family dynamics that created him and the utter horror that such a profoundly damaged and dangerou man is in charge of the most powerful country in the world

people are locked up by the state following a trial where all the evidence is considered by the prosecution and the defence and then a jury deliberate. Sentencing is passed according to the sentencing guidelines and often after the judge has read sentencing reports, heard victim impact statements and the defendant has had a psychiatric evaluation. I don't think the average member of the public who might chose to confine someone in their shed or cellar would be following the same process!

Oh dear....

You say 'oh dear', but I'm quite certain I'll make it to the end of my life without being falsely accused of a crime. I'm sorry for you if that's something you worry about.

No, its just the " it'll never happen to me " attitude. Keep going with that confidence ...and good luck ...and especially walking across open fields when there is lightening ...even though, as you say, there is a good chance you won't get hit by it !

Once again the focus has been taken away from the disastrous war with Iran and the cost the to country which is billions of dollars while the cost of living is increasing

the death sentence itself is barbaric but overwhelmingly supported in the US to then have it streamed it is bloody thirsty and uncivilised a path the country is heady down with increased speed

I feel sorry for the those in America that despair of what is happening to their country and what shall be left behind once this administration is voted out

the death sentence itself is barbaric but overwhelmingly supported in the US

There are many states where it is not accepted. So civilisation still lingers.

Remember this is a federal sentence though - on behalf of the whole country.

I remain amused at the proponents of executions for failing to grasp the asymmetry of their position. Because if you do not execute someone today. you have "lost" nothing. You could execute them tomorrow. But if you execute them today, then tomorrow you have nothing to do.

So, I could be wrong, but I suspect there was a trial for this man, or/and there is some provision for the death penalty in the sentencing guidelines vis a vis that trial? Is it being argued he did not in fact murder 13 people, or that he was falsely convicted?

The post I was replying to stated something along the lines that the state is acting above the law by executing somebody. I was merely giving my tuppence worth that there might be provision for the state to do something the ordinary citizen could not do. Otherwise, I’d imagine there would be an appeal.

I was using the comparison of somebody imprisoning another person, and the state also imprisoning somebody. One is not above the law, as the law allows for it. Same with killing somebody, it would seem (in certain states and countries).

To muddy the waters, this specific case was actually a court martial under military regulations.

I follow her , she is insightful and not 1 bit frightened of Trump , unlike his "minions" and nothing he does shocks her.

This man admitted to his crime as well so there's not going to be an innocent life taken

It’s not about his guilt. He had no right to take their lives because morally none of us has the right. Yes he’s a terrible human but not a danger to the public in jail . it’s not an us or him situation, it’s not in his best interest which are the only reasonable excuses for ending life. Revenge is the very worst reason.

Her tax is instead paying for the legal team(s) of murderers who spend decades on death row as well as feed and shelter them. It costs far more to execute someone (in the US at lest) than life imprisonment.

Don't people who get life also get appeals?