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sincerestwonders · Today 13:43

Any one else feel like this but I dunno why my life has been just so hard lately for me and my 17 1/2 year old daughter. Last year I felt completely different, this year I feel burnt out and just bored and unmotivated. I have a guy who keeps coming in and out my life he works abroad so he isnt a stable presence but I feel stuck and dunno if any of you have similar life experience or advice as that would be so useful.
My daughter has not been to school since age 8. I chose not to keep her in school because of some of the things we encountered in her school such as staff pinning kids down in isolation rooms as a punishment and like harming "bad" kids by restraining them in the classroom, which I did not want my young daughter to see or felt was appropriate.
She has been home educated since then. At the minute she has 2 gcses, a 9 in Spanish and 8 in computing/ICT. Her maths and english skills are quite subpar to be honest. She is a good speller, yet struggles with reading long books and guessing the "intention" of authors which is what a lot of GCSE is about. Her maths is reasonable and probably key stage 3 level, not the best but GCSE math standards are so high these days. In the last year she has done a cookery course, several language courses, business administration basics and we were asked to do an art course which she bloody hates and has no artistic talent really but we are 3/5 of the way through that and she just cant think of ideas and hates it and obviously wishes she was doing something else. The obvious thing to do next is driving, but the theory test I dont quite know how to study for it seen as I havent driven since I was in my 20s cos we live in an urban area where we can bus walk everywhere. The other thing I struggle with is deciding on the gold DOFE program. She has done it for 18 months, did all sections and loved the volunteering element. Its done all bits except the Expedition, and honestly how is a weeks walking, eating garbage and carrying a 20kg bag up a mountain useful to the development of a young person? This isnt the 1940s. We originally did this with a dofe open award center. She attended 2 training days. On the first one she was assigned to a team of 5 other girls, all of whom were friends from that posh arse Hills Road college in Cambridge. They ignored and excluded my already friendless daughter and walked ahead. My daughter is 5ft 4 70kg and is not unfit, she does swimming and dance, but no way can she walk 20 miles a day like they suggested with a back breaking Army bergen. The idiots said the expedition was to take place in summer. Considering the heatwaves we have had its a recipe for sun stroke, burns and nausea. On the second day she asked whether she could have a parent see her at a particular point of the day or night as she is high anxiety and gets sick when away overnight from parents she can stay at nanas house without us but it seems being away at night without parents presence is traumatic for her. She went to mendip activity center last year and being away led to panic attacks and a drinking episode. They said no,okay, but I dont think they care about her needs. The food is another troubling element. They suggested eating those gross ration pack boil in a bag meals. My daughter wont eat them preferring fresh foods, and wouldnt eat any with meat in them due to concern of quality. She would have to handle bottle gas, flames, putting up a tent, no contact even a mobile phone with parents, possible injury, carrying own excrement, managing herself miles from anywhere at 17 YEARS OLD what is this SAS basic training? We had her walk 10ks every week, every time her feet would begin to blister and bleed she has size 3 feet for context with the bag on so I decided to leave that centre and look at these expensive private expeditions on canoes but she wont do that either. This has led to a lot of arguments with me and her dad who the dad says stop pushing and she has done enough already. The final issue is she obviously doesnt want to go to uni next year but she just cant think of what job/career to do and seems to have lost interest in anything. Sorry to rant but any help or suggestions would be appreciated.

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PenelopePinkerton · Today 19:37

sincerestwonders · Today 17:24

Yes, I have a 15 year old. At 17 he will take 2 gcses in subjects he enjoys and we will see about maths and english

So you’ve stunted the development of two children. wow

Lordofmyflies · Today 19:38

It seems as though you are focusing on the 'niceities' and extracurricular rather than concentrating on get your DD a decent, rigorous education. DofE means bollocks compared to getting GCSEs in maths and English. It is hard being a parent but I strongly believe the best thing you can do is get your daughter back into education. Get those GCSEs and learn to socialise

cantthinkofagoodusername2026 · Today 19:40

sincerestwonders · Today 17:13

She volunteers twice a week. Its sort of a job but its mostly 40 something adults. Its sad but a lot of her peers reject her and she just cant have the same life as them i guess they want her to be the outsider. When we tried this dofe gold group she was made fun of for her crooked teeth bodyweight and having no piercings. Thats the snob bit of those girls bullying her. I wish she had 1 or 2 good friends

I very much doubt that these people at her volunteer job 'want her to be the outsider'. My guess is that due to her poor social skills, she finds it very difficult to fit in. It's a lot to expect the other adults to accommodate her if she isn't trying to fit in. Unfortunately it is not going to get any easier for her - she needs to get out and try to develop some social skills, or an apprenticeship will be out of her reach.

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Bestfootforward11 · Today 19:42

The circumstances sound tough and it seems to me that you made the best decisions you could with what you knew at the time. It may be that things could have been done differently but we are where are and moving forward is the thing to focus on. I think you’ve maybe got bogged down worrying about the DoE thing and I can understand why as your DD has done a lot for it and you want her to feel the achievement in completing it. I think there’s achievement in doing all that has she so far though and the focus now needs to be exploring getting her into a college to do Maths and English and then take things from there.
Re career options:

She has quite a few hobbies: used to enjoy making her own magazines and comics, blogging, baking etc. We used to have a dog which she happily trained and walked most days. She now seems to have a passion for Languages

writing/journslism/media
baking/food business
dog walker/trainer/pet helper
she could travel and get fluent in Spanish and that might lead to some other ideas

Obviously these are things to work towards. She’s done what she can and has to continue to do things outside her comfort zone to build resilience and belief in herself.

What support is there in place to help with her anxiety? I don’t think you alone can help with that.

cantthinkofagoodusername2026 · Today 19:43

Sorry I've just read your first post again. I think it's quite naive to think that the DoE Gold award would be easy to attain. You wonder how the physical aspect could be useful to a teenager - I and many others think that sort of thing is great and helps to build resilience. I would have started with something a lot easier than the gold TBH.

BunkBedsArePeopleShelves · Today 19:43

Bestfootforward11 · Today 19:42

The circumstances sound tough and it seems to me that you made the best decisions you could with what you knew at the time. It may be that things could have been done differently but we are where are and moving forward is the thing to focus on. I think you’ve maybe got bogged down worrying about the DoE thing and I can understand why as your DD has done a lot for it and you want her to feel the achievement in completing it. I think there’s achievement in doing all that has she so far though and the focus now needs to be exploring getting her into a college to do Maths and English and then take things from there.
Re career options:

She has quite a few hobbies: used to enjoy making her own magazines and comics, blogging, baking etc. We used to have a dog which she happily trained and walked most days. She now seems to have a passion for Languages

writing/journslism/media
baking/food business
dog walker/trainer/pet helper
she could travel and get fluent in Spanish and that might lead to some other ideas

Obviously these are things to work towards. She’s done what she can and has to continue to do things outside her comfort zone to build resilience and belief in herself.

What support is there in place to help with her anxiety? I don’t think you alone can help with that.

Are you kidding? She's made absolutely terrible decisions!

Bobbieiris · Today 19:44

Sorry to comment again but OP this does make me sad as my sister is going through the same thing with her children. She has some quite serious mental health issues that she has never addressed and she has kept them so isolated from the world. They have no friends, education or experience of the world. Now my niece is going through so many doctors appointments as my sister can't understand why she couldn't deal with college after years of isolation. It's so heartbreaking as she was such a bubbly little girl. I can see her other kids going through the same thing and I worry they will never fit into the real world. It honestly makes me so so sad.
Now I'm not saying that you have mental health issues but you do sound anxious and as others have said, maybe some help for you anxieties/ worries might help and give you skills in supporting your daughter to become a bit more resilient and confident.
It does sound like you have tried very hard in your own way but it is time to cut loose and support her to face her fears. Baby steps. Get her into a little local college and start there.
Sorry I know that isn't helpful but your daughter will be fine, life is tough but you can support her through those tough times 😊

Bestfootforward11 · Today 19:45

BunkBedsArePeopleShelves · Today 19:43

Are you kidding? She's made absolutely terrible decisions!

I think it’s easy to say that when you’ve not been in someone else’s shoes. We can only get a snapshot of someone’s life in these posts. I think it’s more helpful to try give ideas to help rather than pull someone down when they are trying to work out what to do going forward.

BurnoutGP · Today 19:46

Deadleaves77 · Today 13:51

Does your daughter have SEN?

Does the OP. What an absolute mess she has made. And zero insight whatsoever.

Waffles88 · Today 19:47

Do you and the children have any support from family or friends? It seems very isolated.

rjfiih · Today 19:47

sincerestwonders · Today 17:00

She has
Grade 9 Spanish Gcse (2026)
Grade 8 ICT gcse (2026)
150hr Data entry diploma(2025)
Dofe gold 4 out of 5 parts
18 months volunteering twice a week

What happened to the French GCSE she has on your other thread?

OneShyQuail · Today 19:48

sincerestwonders · Today 14:13

Hills Road is for uni bound middle class snobs. You have to have like 8 gcses to get in.

Oh dear god.
Your poor daughter.

Its posts like this that give home education a bad name.

Teacher of nearly 20 years here, 8 of which as head if department at an AP. There are plenty of alternatives to mainstream school. Children thrive with us. Your daughter probably would have

OneShyQuail · Today 19:52

sincerestwonders · Today 14:15

Ceciliamars
Look at it from her pov

The issue is you are looking at it all from your POV.

Resilliance and confidence and self esteem are all interlinked. You have actively prevented your daughter in key years of her life from building resilliance in tough situations.

Christ my 6 year old could manage more than her. And you talk of her going to college/work/going to Europe?!
How?!
She has none of the skills to do so, where will she discover these skills now when you have kept her so sheltered for so long?!

I have young people in my classroom who are in y11, they have been out of school for a few years, that in itself is tough enough....how on earth do you think you can now provide her with the skills she needs to work/attend mainstream college?!

AnonyMumAuDHD · Today 19:52

Lordofmyflies · Today 19:38

It seems as though you are focusing on the 'niceities' and extracurricular rather than concentrating on get your DD a decent, rigorous education. DofE means bollocks compared to getting GCSEs in maths and English. It is hard being a parent but I strongly believe the best thing you can do is get your daughter back into education. Get those GCSEs and learn to socialise

Agree with this. She could still do GCSEs at 6th form now - or on line - in English and Maths. Ideally one or two more so that she has the minimum 5 GCSEs needed to access Level 3 courses. She would be able - for free - to do an Access to HE diploma once she is 20, which is equivalent to 3 Alevels. This would enable her to do an apprenticeship, apprentice degree or go to university. My own daughter struggled with 6th form college/A levels and dropped out but eventually went back to do the access diploma and is at [a good] university now so being older and having an access diploma has not held her back.

I’m afraid, OP, that your lack of understanding about what is needed at each stage and the consequent failure to ensure she reached 16 with 5 GCSEs and was now on course for A Levels/BTECs is a real shame as it has not prepared your child for education, college or life in general. Second to that is the need to socialise her through any of the many home-ed local clubs or activities in the community where you live so she could meet local people (Guides/Scouts for example where, yes, she could have done DofE if she wanted).

I say this as the mother of two AuDHD DC, one of whom I also home schooled for a year when she was 8. Am appalled that you’ve not had any guidance or oversight from the LA to nudge you in the right direction or inform you of your obligations.

Shouldgivethisup · Today 19:52

Oh bless you and your lovely girl, sorry it’s so tough at the moment. I met a teenager a few years ago, a school refuser. She did a childcare course and then worked abroad, she has flourished! If you DD speaks good Spanish this might be worth considering for the future; there have been some great suggestions in this thread for education and confidence boosting! Good luck x

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TheBlueKoala · Today 19:54

sincerestwonders · Today 18:58

Somedays I wanna give up.

I'm sorry you feel this way. Both of my sons have experienced some hard stuff in and outside school. The answer was not to withdraw but to work through hard times- helping them working through hard times. Teaching them that sometimes life is crap but we try to do everything we can to make it better. To just withdraw from life means that you teach your children that the world is a dangerous place and that you don't believe in their capacity to overcome hardships.

You could have contacted local mps, Ofstead, organised parent protests or moved, changed schools. There was no need to become reclusive. You say your daughter is very sociable but clearly she's not because she has a hard time making friends. She probably wants to be sociable but is struggling due to lack of practising. I would start with camhs / finding someone who can support her in her contact with peers and give her useful feedback and encouragement .

Shesafancyflapjack · Today 19:58

Braces and dental treatment are free for under 19 year olds in education, if crooked teeth make her feel self conscious encourage her to address this, it’s an easy fix at her age. You mentioned her using alcohol to cope with stress and anxiety, there are medications and tools that are healthier options, please reflect and act on the excellent advice and signposting youve been given here. This thread is really upsetting.

HouseBee · Today 19:58

sincerestwonders · Today 14:02

I said when she is 18 she can go to college or work, but now I wonder whether to just let her go to college, because she has high anxiety and poor social skills. She has been bullied at primary school and just struggled as a kid to adapt to the school environment.

At 18yo, I feel this is a decision that should come from her.
Not becausectye whole ‘she is an adult now’. But because she needs to do what’s best fur her re anxiety etc…
She also needs to start gearing up towards work - as in what does she wants to do work wise, what kind of jobs etc….

And I’d look at why you feel she is about 2 years behind developmentally. Added to the high anxiety and the other stuff you mentioned (like not being able to understand the intention of the author), I’d seriously look at some SEN/autism and so on. There’s a reason behind all of that, she needs to know about it to be able to move on with her life

BugJuice · Today 19:58

sincerestwonders · Today 17:51

Do any of you know how hard Gcse english is.

Yes, many of us have children who have taken it or are about to take it.

CalliopeFosterBeauchamp · Today 20:02

lifeisgoodrightnow · Today 15:03

Makes her own magazines and comics but hates art huh?

I’m out.

I mean, I made my own magazines and comics when I was a child, and I hated art..?

Anyway, OP - YABU. I was a very anxious child and found some parts of school very difficult and stressful. My parents wouldn’t have dreamed of pulling me out - and as a result I learned resilience and how to stick at things. I left school with GCSEs, A-levels and good friends.

You’ve done your daughter a massive disservice. I think anxiety feeds on solitude and on avoiding the things that scare you.

carly2803 · Today 20:04

sincerestwonders · Today 14:11

Yes, i am a registered home educator. I provide 6 hours of learning 5 days a week and work part time

then how has she not got more than 2 gcses and not very great life prospects!?

they can go to college 14+ in some areas, she needs to get herself to college and get functional skills and life skills asap

Fasthorses · Today 20:04

sincerestwonders · Today 14:00

Everyone says I'm a bad, overprotective parent and Im sick of it. I think taking my daughter out of the pressure and anxiety of school was the best thing to do given circumstance she has had a comprehensive home education to 16 and has done some specialist courses. I am aware she needs more of a social life but she has suffered high anxiety as a kid around school, puberty, her emotions, extreme pressure and demand.

She hasnt had a comprehensive education.

She's had quite a poor, inconsistent education. She is 17 yet you describe her English and Maths as probably ks3 level, and you havent even supported her to get the fundamental maths and English level 2 passes that will be essential for her to get most jobs. Why on earth are you wasting time on dofe when she hasnt even got gcse maths and English which are so much more important?

Talk of university is a complete waste of time, no university is going to accept someone with no maths or English gcse and just 2 gcses and no formal level 3 qualifications.

You haven't prepared your daughter for the modern world, im not surprised she feels anxious shes probably really worried that she hasnt got maths and english gcse!

HouseBee · Today 20:04

Constantrunner · Today 18:59

Many of us feel like that some days. If you ever seriously feel like that, please contact Samaritans. Your daughter needs you.

Most unhelpful comment.

BridalFeastofBethChadruharazzeb · Today 20:06

sincerestwonders · Today 14:00

Everyone says I'm a bad, overprotective parent and Im sick of it. I think taking my daughter out of the pressure and anxiety of school was the best thing to do given circumstance she has had a comprehensive home education to 16 and has done some specialist courses. I am aware she needs more of a social life but she has suffered high anxiety as a kid around school, puberty, her emotions, extreme pressure and demand.

she has had a comprehensive home education to 16

Clearly not, if she has 2 gcses and is subpar in English and Maths