Putney Pusher suspect found dead, according to reports

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Goodness me, wasn't expecting that.

but of course he did it

Like to back that up with some evidence? If you can then I'm sure the Met would love to hear from you, they hadn't even got as far as charging him yet.

Makes you wonder why we even have courts and a trial by jury system

Many careers are ended by a police caution or charge, including banking.

Yeah, this is what I mean. Even if he could be pretty certain he wouldn't get charged for the push, there was still a realistic chance everything was going to come crashing down around him.

Depending on how much coke he had and whether the 3 year old could've possibly got to it, impact on his contact with his son wasn't out of the question either. Could've been worried mum was going to try and get the 50/50 changed because of it.

I'd say the evidence was fairly clear... A smidge of critical thinking generally does the trick. ;)

Wow!

OK so outline that evidence would you?

Would like to see the evidence for those stats…

regardless, what an utter wanker if he possessed/used class A and B drugs. Clearly no concern for the drugs trade trafficking, sexual violence and murder

It's amazing that as adults we have experience that guides us on the most plausible and sensible explanation for an occurrence like this (there may be more than one), and yet we put that aside to instead believe whatever we're being told by the media or the police or via a PR mouthpiece. We end up mistrusting ourselves. We all KNOW what these types are like. Same as the woman who drove her Range Rover into a primary school in Putney and killed three girls who - gasp, wouldn't you know it - suffered her one and only epileptic fit at that very moment. We all KNOW it's bullshit, we all KNOW she's got enough money to pay lawyers and a media consultant, we all KNOW she probably knows someone who can keep the police off her back. And yet, we're prepared to believe the bullshit absent hard evidence.

There's rarely hard evidence. And, so much of what's presented in court under oath simply isn't true. But we need to believe it, and often there's no better alternative. So many people have a naive trust in the police and the justice system. I suppose they think it keeps them safe. Meanwhile, in the real world...

It's all bullshit. Smoke and mirrors, vested interests.

I'm getting the rage at the bbc pandering to his family and publishing articles essentially suggesting he's innocent.
As if they'd do the same for a young man of colour who was a known drug user with a criminal record of violence and no fortune to his name. Shameful.

If you think any of the publicly available evidence makes his innocent or guilt clear then I don't think you have the critical faculties you think you do.

What evidence? All we know exists is a rather blurry video that could match a sizeable chunk of the male population and the fact that someone, apparently a friend of his estranged wife, suggested to the police it was him many years after the event. A "smidge of critical thinking" would show that comes a long way short of proving he was guilty, quite apart from the fact that, if his family is to be believed, he was sending emails from an office 4.5 miles away at the time of the incident.

It was a Land Rover Defender in Wimbledon and 2 little girls died.

You don't KNOW any of this. You're typecasting.

I have no faith in the police whatsoever (a thoroughly racist, misogynist, homophobic authoritarian tool of the state). The justice system is constricted in its ability to find out the truth by both accident and design. Unconscious bias pervades it all. But the answer isn't to go through the looking glass and declare certainty on the other side.

It's very plausible that what we're seeing is a very wealthy, privileged family circling the wagons to clear the family name. It's also plausible that the police and media have fucked up (again) and treated an innocent person as disposable (again).

Please don't serve on any juries. Little things like evidence clearly don't matter to you.

Case in point: you think juries weigh evidence and come to logical conclusions?

This 👆

Fair and you're probably right. I'm just fed up of it all - many of us are. All day, every day, we're inundated with grifters grifting, men trying to be women and claim what we've worked hard for, women being denied equal rights to men at home and at work, working class kids being denied opportunities that are free to middle and upper class kids, widening gaps between rich and poor, immigrant and native, white and non-white, extremist and centrist, liberal and far-right. Just fed up of all the agendas and the selfishness off people at the top. And, surprisingly, by many metrics I am at or near the top. And if it's sickening to me how is to anyone who isn't?

Sorry for the rant. This suicide (I'm assuming) has tipped me over the edge today. I have enough in me to not join the "I'm glad to hear it" brigade....but I am fed with all the arrogant, entitled, greedy and ultimately pathetic men who can give it out but can never take it. They can't stand up to the slightest scrutiny and cave. Pathetic individuals.

I'm intrigued at what DNA evidence they think will clear him.

That's not to say the individual who has just died IS the Putney Pusher. My stance remains: if he didn't do it - this is a tragic result. If he did - I struggle to feel any sympathy for him.

Either way, I formed the impression - perhaps incorrectly - that the family felt that the investigation should have been dropped due to the effect it was having on his mental health. The system doesn't work like that.

I was reading more on their view that the DNA response was unnecessarily slow. They offered to pay privately and kept getting told it won’t be long.

Honest answer - we don't know as no-one is allowed to interview juries, but evidence from the USA suggests some do and some don't. I would hope things might be a little better here as judges these days generally set out the questions the jury has to decide and the verdict their answers will lead to. However, I'm sure some jurors ignore this and decide based on the defendant's looks or other irrelevant criteria.

The photo doesn't look like the suspect TBH. It looks like a much older man.

I remember the trial when some of the jurors used a Ouija board after a bit of a drinking session back at the hotel they were being put up in. The murders of Harry and Nicola Fuller, the accused being Stephen Young.

The spirits said he did it.

Stephen Young was convicted on retrial though. Without the aid of spirits, either from beyond the grave or behind the bar.

I don’t know, I think it looks exactly like him in this photo:

news.sky.com/story/putney-pusher-new-cctv-images-of-jogger-suspect-released-by-police-11033621

I am not here to defend this man (if he is the one) his action is indefensible but i find the desperate act of suicide repeatedly described as cowardice really offensive.
You say you have sympathy for his family but none for him so if you really do wouldn't it be better all round to keep your opinion to yourself for now until possibly more facts come to light.
There will be quite a few people ,not just on here with egg on their faces if it turns out it's not this man, but in the meantime describing suicide in some of the derisory ways that are on this thread are not showing much sympathy to any family left behind following their loved ones suicide.

It’s shocking that the photo doing the rounds now is a less clear one that, due to the glass on the bus door, gives the impression of a man with grey hair.

Blatantly deliberate attempt to cast doubts.

Awful reporting.

Hopefully the general public won’t be fooled. Especially because we all know men like this. London is full of them.