Putney Pusher suspect found dead, according to reports

[Fartughtyred]

Goodness me, wasn't expecting that.

I don't know whether he was the pusher or not, but I do know the behaviour for which he was convicted horrifies me. As does the prospect of a person who behaved like that having a class A drug habit.

Oh I knew that @shuggles would have waded in with his “I am a man” view. If he’s not talking about prostitution on threads, he’s trying to convince us that the perils that exist for women are identical for men.

I have just learned to ignore him. He usually shuffles off eventually.

At the time of the offence, from what I've read online, the pusher was described at the time as a 30-something white male with brown eyes - Brandram's family says he had blue eyes

I'm wondering if the original description was based on forensic analysis of the CCTV to ascertain the eye colour or just inaccurate reporting/guessing?

Well, the evidence the family has presented that proves that he was not guilty is that the victim said that the man had brown eyes, Nicholas Brandram had blue eyes, Brandram had a tattoo on his forearm, the man in the video didn't and Brandram had a clearly visible calf disfigurement and withered leg.

The family's statement is in a few different papers but I think this link should be free to read.

Family of Putney Pusher suspect Nicholas Brandram insist it wasn't him after he was found dead | News UK | Metro News https://share.google/hEdvOyJ9pRg5iIDdf

Just to add that this what they say, not what I nescessarily believe and they would have to back it up with something concrete. The eye colour isn't much evidence either way, I don't think and the tattoo thing isn't great either but I should think that there would be medical records with regards to the leg.

Still not an alibi, I suppose.

We've all seen the video evidence of SOMEONE doing this.

In the event it was him and it seems likely. I'm wondering if the Police have a lot more on him than the public are aware of? I can't see an arrogant git like him topping himself over just this. He will be able to access lawyers that could get the pushed woman and the bus driver to apologise for going near him and yet - this.

I'm sure it's him. I remember the media at the time he was arrested saying that his ex wife had dobbed him in but there has to be a hidden element to this as what we are seeing frankly makes no sense.

This. ^

That is not the case, read something not from a newspaper who had already made up their mind and therefore had to stick to their narrative.

It doesn't help the victim to apportion blame. What might help is clear signage so it can't happen to anyone again.

It wouldn't be just that, because he was also arrested for possession of Class A after they searched his home. Assuming that was because they did indeed find some, he could've known he was bang to rights there and that a conviction would cause him problems in his career, possibly with access to his son too. People kill themselves over things like that, and his employers will also have substantial lawyer funds too.

It's possible the police had lots on him regarding the push that we don't know about also, but it could also be he got arrested on someone's say so (truthful or otherwise) and there was no other evidence.

It would be hard to prove something like that 9 years on. Most of us genuinely don't know and could struggle to prove what we were doing on some random day in 2017. It wouldn't be at all suspicious for him to say I know that wasn't me as I've never done that, but of course I can't prove what I was doing that day because most people couldn't.

Worth sharing again for anyone who missed it.

Apparently the family have got an alibi for him as well. Emails sent from an office in the West End. Quite a good, clear article here:

The five pieces of 'evidence' family of dead Putney Pusher suspect claim shows he was not jogger | The Standard share.google/8D11aMLTJ4UHbSnEP

However, regarding the alibi, the incident took place at around 7.40 am. Nicholas Brandram was working for Leumi Bank at that time who kept offices at 20, Stratford Place, just off Oxford Street.

I don't know London at all well, nor the working hours of city bankers and similar people, so can anybody tell me whether it is feasible that he would be at Stratford Place at half past seven in the morning sending emails?

@JasmineMac is correct. Auriol Grey's conviction for unlawful act manslaughter was overturned because that requires her to have committed an unlawful act, and there was no evidence that she had. The signage was not even mentioned in the Court of Appeal's judgment.

I'm quite surprised out how quickly people have concluded he must be guilty. It's possible he wasn't (we don't even know whether the police would have enough evidence to take him to court, let alone to convict him). Even if you've decided he deserved to die because he was a bit posh and worked at a bank, isn't anyone concerned that the real pusher might still be out there?

Sorry, I just don't trust the police to get these things right consistently. The murder of Joanna Yeates always sticks in my brain, as I was on my works outing in the same pub that she was in on her own works outing, the night she was later killed. The police insisted it was her landlord who'd killed her and he was vilified on social media and in the press, because he had mad hair and read Christina Rosetti. Her actual murderer was ruled out as a suspect by the police, and they only caught him (despite his DNA being on her body) because of an anonymous tip.

Sadly, I think the police will do a case closed on this one, and we'll never know whether they got the right guy or not.

Not feasible at all. It is about 5.4 miles from Putney Bridge to Stratford Place. On foot that is going to take the best part of 2 hours. The fastest way to do it would be on bike, but that is still going to take you nearly 40 minutes.

Why kill yourself if you’ve got nothing to hide and sound alibis from family members? Doesn’t make sense.

I think you and I are coming at this from opposite directions here, so to speak. I was more asking whether it would be feasible that he would be at his desk by about half seven in the morning, eager beavering away with emails?

It wasn't that there was no unlawful act, it was that the prosecution forgot to prove the "base offence". The defence forgot to pick them up on that and the judge also failed to notice that the prosecution had forgotten to do it.

The "base offence" was so blindingly obvious that nobody involved in the trial noticed that it hadn't been stood up with evidence.

(I'm sure a lawyer will be along to correct me.)

See also Barry George for the Jill Dando case.

Why wouldn't he be? I was at work at 720 this morning and I can assure you I don't work as hard as someone in the City.

So it's perfectly plausible, which doesn't mean it's true.

Personally, I'm more interested in what the prosecution evidence was. Word of mouth from the ex or was there a whatsapp to the ex admitting he'd done it. AFAIC it should be made public. It would have been if he'd been put on trial, and now he won't be.

About half my team like to start early and will be online from 7am. I don't work in the city though.

For a lot of them it's so they can do after school pick-up, whilst the other parent does drop off and starts later. And I think this guy did have a son?

Even in the best case scenario that there were no charges and he could go to the press/social media with loads of evidence it wasn't him, the potential upcoming possession of Class A conviction would've thrown quite a spanner in his life. I think he was in a regulated role so they have enhanced requirements for that.

The term base offence refers to the unlawful act that is required for a conviction of unlawful act manslaughter.