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Thread 6 Burnham: Resitting and Resetting

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DuncinToffee · 14/09/2026 12:13

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SerendipityJane · 22/09/2026 10:10

DuncinToffee · 22/09/2026 10:04

For the haters Wink

https://bsky.app/profile/electionmaps.uk/post/3mw3uk4g4lc2y
🌹 | Labour lead with ALL pollsters for the first time since October 2024.

Fake news

placemats · 22/09/2026 10:15

DuncinToffee · 22/09/2026 10:04

For the haters Wink

https://bsky.app/profile/electionmaps.uk/post/3mw3uk4g4lc2y
🌹 | Labour lead with ALL pollsters for the first time since October 2024.

Lots of speculation about an early snap general election.

Burnham avoided answering the question.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/sep/22/andy-burnham-fails-rule-out-brexit-reversal-next-labour-manifesto

TemperanceWest · 22/09/2026 10:27

DuncinToffee · 22/09/2026 10:04

For the haters Wink

https://bsky.app/profile/electionmaps.uk/post/3mw3uk4g4lc2y
🌹 | Labour lead with ALL pollsters for the first time since October 2024.

Blimey. Yougov poll has gone from a Labour/Reform tie to Reform in third place.

cardibach · 22/09/2026 10:33

BIossomtoes · 22/09/2026 08:46

As long as Trump doesn’t try to subject him to the Zelensky treatment he should be OK.

This worries me a bit. I don’t think Burnham has quite such a tight grip on his temper as Starmer has.

cardibach · 22/09/2026 10:35

placemats · 22/09/2026 10:15

Lots of speculation about an early snap general election.

Burnham avoided answering the question.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/sep/22/andy-burnham-fails-rule-out-brexit-reversal-next-labour-manifesto

If he goes early it’ll prove he’s not suitable to lead. He’s never getting a bigger majority, and he risks not having one at all. He needs to hold his nerve and get the job done. I’m not any more impressed with him than I anticipated, sadly.

placemats · 22/09/2026 10:55

cardibach · 22/09/2026 10:35

If he goes early it’ll prove he’s not suitable to lead. He’s never getting a bigger majority, and he risks not having one at all. He needs to hold his nerve and get the job done. I’m not any more impressed with him than I anticipated, sadly.

He won't call an early election. It's just Talk Radio and GB News nonsense.

Grumpyoldpersonwithcats · 22/09/2026 12:49

placemats · 22/09/2026 10:55

He won't call an early election. It's just Talk Radio and GB News nonsense.

I bloody hope he won't - nothing good would come out of it.

BIossomtoes · 22/09/2026 12:51

An early election would be a very bad move. Just look at how much Farage wants it.

placemats · 22/09/2026 13:00

The same pressure was put on Brown.
He resisted.

Obviously pressure was put on May to pave the way for Boris Johnson and the not so done deal.

The rest as they say is history.

LittleBowSheep · 22/09/2026 13:26

SerendipityJane · 22/09/2026 10:06

I think it's more a case they can see how good it is for Jenner.

But how?

LizzieW1969 · 22/09/2026 13:32

Grumpyoldpersonwithcats · 22/09/2026 12:49

I bloody hope he won't - nothing good would come out of it.

I hope he won’t, too. It would be such an unnecessary risk to take.

Llttledrummergirl · 22/09/2026 14:18

I'm waiting for the budget to see what is in store before I land on verdict about Burnham. He is better at getting the media onside than Starmer and I approve of a lot of his announcements.

If he tells Trump to fuck off I will be cheering from the rooftops.

SerendipityJane · 22/09/2026 14:30

placemats · 22/09/2026 10:55

He won't call an early election. It's just Talk Radio and GB News nonsense.

By incessantly talking about it, they

a) remove the oxygen that can fan the Farage fires
b) punt a narrative that if there isn't a snap election, then - despite it being ruled out from the off - it's somehow because of Reform blah blah blah.

We have to remember there really are people out there - who voted - who still can't understand why Nigel Farage isn't PM. These are the people in a venn diagram with people who blame Harold Wilson for the global economic crisis in 2008.

SerendipityJane · 22/09/2026 14:31

LittleBowSheep · 22/09/2026 13:26

But how?

You'd have to ask them.

DuncinToffee · 22/09/2026 15:10

Ed Davey is delivering his speech at the LibDem conference

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cardibach · 22/09/2026 15:26

hes another one who confuses me. Often brilliant, then suddenly not

placemats · 22/09/2026 15:29

DuncinToffee · 22/09/2026 15:10

Ed Davey is delivering his speech at the LibDem conference

Ed Davey is a good politician. However I have to get on with changing the sheets. Will catch up later.

SerendipityJane · 22/09/2026 15:31

DuncinToffee · 22/09/2026 15:10

Ed Davey is delivering his speech at the LibDem conference

I did rather like the SNL:UK burn on the LIbDems

DuncinToffee · 22/09/2026 15:37

Trump is talking as well

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DuncinToffee · 22/09/2026 15:40

SerendipityJane · 22/09/2026 15:31

I did rather like the SNL:UK burn on the LIbDems

Where and when is that on?

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Piggywaspushed · 22/09/2026 17:47

Can't find myself agreeing with all he says here but this is an interesting riposte from Sunak

I was a very fortunate kid {but Rishi , I thought you didn't have Sky TV!]. My dad's GP surgery sat between the Dell and Hampshire's County Ground, so at weekends I could go to a game and get a lift home afterwards. It left me with a passion for both sports and a belief that sport opens a window onto who we are.
When I was growing up, the Tebbit test was a matter of intense debate. Which side did you cheer for at the cricket? For all the criticism it received, it was a test anyone could pass. If you supported England because you saw it as home, you were part of the team regardless of the colour of your skin. Born in Southampton, 10 year old me passed it without even knowing about it.
Giving the MCC's Cowdrey Lecture on Thursday made me think about cricket's place in our national life and the current arguments about identity.
In Britain we've built the world's most successful multi-faith, multi-ethnic democracy. I was a beneficiary of it. Whatever issues people had with me as PM (and there was no shortage) my race and religion weren't among them. I could read a lesson at the King's coronation or light Diwali diyas on Downing Street with my daughters without controversy. Foreign leaders assumed these must be huge symbolic moments. For most Brits, they just weren't that big a deal.
But Britain's democratic achievement is now under strain. Some of the challenges are ones I've written about before, like Islamism, and the failure of governments, including the one I led, to adequately control immigration. But something else is going on - a risk that we start equating skin colour with nationality.
After I left office, a debate kicked off about whether I was English at all, because I was a "brown Hindu". During the election campaign I'd been shocked when footage was broadcast of someone calling me a "Paki." It was shocking precisely because it was so unusual. That kind of abuse had simply not been a feature of my political life. But the Englishness argument was stranger still. Call it the reverse Tebbit test. If you're not white, it no longer matters who you support at the cricket, because you can never be English. It's a test no non-white person can ever pass.
I have no truck with people who offend our sense of fairness and come here illegally; I spent half my premiership trying to deport them to Rwanda. I think the bar for legal migration should be high. It is entirely possible to want a radical reduction in immigration and a far more robust approach to integration, and still totally reject the attempt to turn Britishness into a DNA test.
If you are born and brought up in England and view it as home, what are you other than English? Denying people their Englishness or their Britishness because of the colour of their skin is a recipe for alienation and a two-tier society. How are children who hear this meant to feel?
Sport can play a small but significant role here. Cricket is played by nearly every major ethnic group in this country. Ask what my largely white rural constituents in the Dales and the British-Asian kids in Bradford have in common, and the answer is cricket. If cricket can produce England teams in which every kid can see themselves, the impact reaches far beyond the boundary.

We cannot allow race to be reintroduced into our politics. We cannot allow Briton to be set against Briton.

Evenstar · 22/09/2026 18:08

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Thread 6 Burnham: Resitting and Resetting
PickAChew · 22/09/2026 18:12

Evenstar · 22/09/2026 18:08

😮

The sooner this guy is arrested, the better.

SerendipityJane · 22/09/2026 18:12

Piggywaspushed · 22/09/2026 17:47

Can't find myself agreeing with all he says here but this is an interesting riposte from Sunak

I was a very fortunate kid {but Rishi , I thought you didn't have Sky TV!]. My dad's GP surgery sat between the Dell and Hampshire's County Ground, so at weekends I could go to a game and get a lift home afterwards. It left me with a passion for both sports and a belief that sport opens a window onto who we are.
When I was growing up, the Tebbit test was a matter of intense debate. Which side did you cheer for at the cricket? For all the criticism it received, it was a test anyone could pass. If you supported England because you saw it as home, you were part of the team regardless of the colour of your skin. Born in Southampton, 10 year old me passed it without even knowing about it.
Giving the MCC's Cowdrey Lecture on Thursday made me think about cricket's place in our national life and the current arguments about identity.
In Britain we've built the world's most successful multi-faith, multi-ethnic democracy. I was a beneficiary of it. Whatever issues people had with me as PM (and there was no shortage) my race and religion weren't among them. I could read a lesson at the King's coronation or light Diwali diyas on Downing Street with my daughters without controversy. Foreign leaders assumed these must be huge symbolic moments. For most Brits, they just weren't that big a deal.
But Britain's democratic achievement is now under strain. Some of the challenges are ones I've written about before, like Islamism, and the failure of governments, including the one I led, to adequately control immigration. But something else is going on - a risk that we start equating skin colour with nationality.
After I left office, a debate kicked off about whether I was English at all, because I was a "brown Hindu". During the election campaign I'd been shocked when footage was broadcast of someone calling me a "Paki." It was shocking precisely because it was so unusual. That kind of abuse had simply not been a feature of my political life. But the Englishness argument was stranger still. Call it the reverse Tebbit test. If you're not white, it no longer matters who you support at the cricket, because you can never be English. It's a test no non-white person can ever pass.
I have no truck with people who offend our sense of fairness and come here illegally; I spent half my premiership trying to deport them to Rwanda. I think the bar for legal migration should be high. It is entirely possible to want a radical reduction in immigration and a far more robust approach to integration, and still totally reject the attempt to turn Britishness into a DNA test.
If you are born and brought up in England and view it as home, what are you other than English? Denying people their Englishness or their Britishness because of the colour of their skin is a recipe for alienation and a two-tier society. How are children who hear this meant to feel?
Sport can play a small but significant role here. Cricket is played by nearly every major ethnic group in this country. Ask what my largely white rural constituents in the Dales and the British-Asian kids in Bradford have in common, and the answer is cricket. If cricket can produce England teams in which every kid can see themselves, the impact reaches far beyond the boundary.

We cannot allow race to be reintroduced into our politics. We cannot allow Briton to be set against Briton.

There's a lot of truth in there.

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