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Why do so many women in the UK, work full-time and also do the cooking cleaning and mental load at home..?

254 replies

GreenCandies · 23/08/2026 14:09

Why ?

Why put up with it ?

OP posts:
GreenCandies · 23/08/2026 15:52

crackofdoom · 23/08/2026 15:50

As to the why this is acceptable, I'd advise posters to have a look at the concurrent thread started by someone who is suicidal from pain, parental exhaustion and overwork, and look at how many posters are tying themselves up in knots to advise her she do anything except make her DH pull his fucking weight 🙄

Or the dh won't drive one or the millions of others...

OP posts:
Backedoffhackedoff · 23/08/2026 15:53

GreenCandies · 23/08/2026 15:49

Because even though at the time when we had children and I was the higher earner, I was the one that wanted more time with them

Maybe in terms of house work etc and the children I already know deep down he doesn't care as much as I do, for example when my dd was little he wouldn't care if her hair was all matted and she went to school like that, like she did once when I was ill

Or if I was say really ill he wouldn't think as deeply as i do about their emotional wellbeing, such as have they had friends round lately etc
Has that school form the trip been filled in a returned on time etc
Or stuff like that got missed he'd say oh well, because he doesn't view it as important
Because its mot important to him

Where as its important to me, because its important to them
And that is a key difference
And I think alot, not all men, are like that

But that’s just going back to him being a shit dad, Like the rest. Good parents care about the school form and the matted hair because it’s important to the children

StandingDeskDisco · 23/08/2026 15:54

Before children, the actual volume of housework is less. They are both out at work all day, so no mess is being created in the house. They may also go out together several evenings a week. There is usually spare money for convenience food, take-aways, and eating out more.
The load may be equal, but for both of them it is just far less of a load.

After children, one parent is home all day, making mess, e.g. lunch at home (which takes extra planning, i.e. making sure there is something suitable to eat in the house) is another round of tidying the kitchen and loading the dishwasher; even if it is minimal, it all adds up. Obviously there is masses more laundry. From a few weeks old there are toys strewn around.
As soon as baby is starting on solids, the food gets everywhere, more mess. Plus usually money is tighter, so more meals are cooked at home.
Then the 'bedtime routine' takes up what used to be free time in the evening.
Plus a whole new level of mental load comes with a child.

Even if the DH tries to step up, the shear volume of extra work and thought is more than they are prepared to take on, especially if they are working full time and the woman goes part time.
Plus the DH often becomes acutely aware of the financial responsibility (NAMALT), so is putting in extra hours at work, or working more intensely to try for promotion - there is no scope for a half-arsed performance level at work.

Add to that, many men don't actually want to be a parent. They may agree to a baby because otherwise the woman will leave. They may quite like the idea, but are utterly clueless about what will be involved and just assume that the woman will do it all because she is the one who 'really' wants the baby. They act as if the baby is her new time-consuming hobby, something she chose and should enjoy, but it is up to her to deal with it, not him.
Or, they want to "be a father" as a status, but want a woman to do the actual work of parenting.

crackofdoom · 23/08/2026 15:54

GreenCandies · 23/08/2026 15:49

Because even though at the time when we had children and I was the higher earner, I was the one that wanted more time with them

Maybe in terms of house work etc and the children I already know deep down he doesn't care as much as I do, for example when my dd was little he wouldn't care if her hair was all matted and she went to school like that, like she did once when I was ill

Or if I was say really ill he wouldn't think as deeply as i do about their emotional wellbeing, such as have they had friends round lately etc
Has that school form the trip been filled in a returned on time etc
Or stuff like that got missed he'd say oh well, because he doesn't view it as important
Because its mot important to him

Where as its important to me, because its important to them
And that is a key difference
And I think alot, not all men, are like that

Well, I think you need to do a bit of unpicking as to why these things are more important to you than him.

Do you think it's down to "women's caring hormones", or do you think it's down to relentless messaging from an early age telling women that these are the kind of things they need to care about, and telling men that these concerns are beneath them and that someone else will pick up the slack?

GrumpyPanda · 23/08/2026 15:57

Rockettstg · 23/08/2026 15:40

*Regarding holidays, I'd simply refuse to go on anything but fully catered hotel stays.*is that because your DH won’t share the burden of catering on holiday with you?

That was in response to the pp recounting slaving away on a caravan holiday. Currently blessedly singie myself, but yes, I do know several couples who do AI holidays for that very reason, so it works at least as a temporary strategy (won't fix the problems at home obvs).

MsVivvie · 23/08/2026 15:58

GreenCandies · 23/08/2026 15:49

Because even though at the time when we had children and I was the higher earner, I was the one that wanted more time with them

Maybe in terms of house work etc and the children I already know deep down he doesn't care as much as I do, for example when my dd was little he wouldn't care if her hair was all matted and she went to school like that, like she did once when I was ill

Or if I was say really ill he wouldn't think as deeply as i do about their emotional wellbeing, such as have they had friends round lately etc
Has that school form the trip been filled in a returned on time etc
Or stuff like that got missed he'd say oh well, because he doesn't view it as important
Because its mot important to him

Where as its important to me, because its important to them
And that is a key difference
And I think alot, not all men, are like that

I think you’ve laid out your problem here. Your husband sounds particularly shit. You need to be around at home more because he’s in the more incompetent band, on the scale of incompetence.
What started off as a typical MN post pitting women against women, part time against full time, is really an odd cry for help. Demand more OP, don’t just pick up to slack.

crackofdoom · 23/08/2026 15:59

AintNoPunshineWhenShesGone · 23/08/2026 14:30

Yes, definitely this.

But we also have a responsibility towards ourselves not to allow it.

However, pointing this out on MN often brings cries of 'victim blaming'.

No-one can wipe their feet on a person if they refuse to lie down and it happen.

Yeah, but men will try every trick in the book not to pull their weight.

(I'm happily single ☺️)

Rockettstg · 23/08/2026 16:00

There does have to be ownership for the decisions made.

Many Ops i read went on to have multiple children with a man they knew to be crap; many of these ops seems to live rurally and don’t drive.

Rockettstg · 23/08/2026 16:01

MsVivvie · 23/08/2026 15:58

I think you’ve laid out your problem here. Your husband sounds particularly shit. You need to be around at home more because he’s in the more incompetent band, on the scale of incompetence.
What started off as a typical MN post pitting women against women, part time against full time, is really an odd cry for help. Demand more OP, don’t just pick up to slack.

I agree

It is like @GreenCandies is trying to convince herself of something that isn’t true. Fact is… she’s gone part time, reduced her career, doing more around the house, enabling her husband’s career to flourish.

Rockettstg · 23/08/2026 16:01

How old are your children now @GreenCandies ?

LoyalGoldMentor · 23/08/2026 16:02

Some of us are lone parents and have no option!

MidnightMeltdown · 23/08/2026 16:03

Because they have low standards when picking a partner. Men like this are easy to spot when dating. Avoid them.

Dontlletmedownbruce · 23/08/2026 16:03

Teado · 23/08/2026 14:28

Some of them quite enjoy the martyrdom. There’s a woman like this in my circle who always performatively moans about how busy life is but sensible suggestions about how to manage it fairly and get her husband to bear more of the load are not welcome.

Absolutely, there is a lot of this.

I have a friend who was moaning as always about her workload and said dh can't even work the washing machine. Genuinely. I said surely if you don't do his washing he can do it? She got all snippy saying it's easier for her to do it because he might do it wrong. I've heard this numerous times over the years about different scenarios but I've also felt she is controlling about lots of things like what kids wear etc. She implies he is a useless idiot. I'm obviously not living in that house and don't know how he treats her but I did live with him in a houseshare and he was certainly able to do his own laundry and grocery shopping then. When they moved into together she fussed over him so much it annoyed me, she uses to lay his clothes out for him the night before because she said he had terrible taste and couldn't pick a proper outfit for himself. I am very cynical now about any of her incompetent partner stories. I'm not saying he isn't useless but I'm saying if he is it's because she has contributed.

Backedoffhackedoff · 23/08/2026 16:05

MidnightMeltdown · 23/08/2026 16:03

Because they have low standards when picking a partner. Men like this are easy to spot when dating. Avoid them.

I don’t think that’s fair. I met my ex at 18. That’s very common. My standards were very different then. Also, people change.

femfemlicious · 23/08/2026 16:06

Batties · 23/08/2026 14:12

Surely the question should be why some men treat women so poorly.

Because they saw their daddy treat their mummy bad and it was normalised. They revert to the patterns they saw when growing up.

MidnightMeltdown · 23/08/2026 16:06

Also because there are too many silly mothers who run around doing everything for their sons, and don’t expect them to contribute to household chores. Lots of men in the UK are brought up like this I’m afraid.

crackofdoom · 23/08/2026 16:08

MidnightMeltdown · 23/08/2026 16:03

Because they have low standards when picking a partner. Men like this are easy to spot when dating. Avoid them.

Many are very difficult to spot indeed.

They know what women want, and are very good at pretending to be caring, empathetic, responsible, pulling their weight with domestic tasks etc.....until they have you trapped.

Then they can drop the facade.

crackofdoom · 23/08/2026 16:10

MidnightMeltdown · 23/08/2026 16:06

Also because there are too many silly mothers who run around doing everything for their sons, and don’t expect them to contribute to household chores. Lots of men in the UK are brought up like this I’m afraid.

There's nothing you can't blame on women if you try hard enough 🙄

AintNoPunshineWhenShesGone · 23/08/2026 16:12

crackofdoom · 23/08/2026 15:59

Yeah, but men will try every trick in the book not to pull their weight.

(I'm happily single ☺️)

That's very true.

But, we are responsible for the behaviours we are willing to accept.

Rockettstg · 23/08/2026 16:13

Backedoffhackedoff · 23/08/2026 16:05

I don’t think that’s fair. I met my ex at 18. That’s very common. My standards were very different then. Also, people change.

What was your parents relationship like? What was you father like?

At 18… because i had had a wonderful father… my benchmark was very high then. And now

Rockettstg · 23/08/2026 16:13

AintNoPunshineWhenShesGone · 23/08/2026 16:12

That's very true.

But, we are responsible for the behaviours we are willing to accept.

Exactly

and to go on and have multiple children with a man you know is crap… well, that’s on you

Backedoffhackedoff · 23/08/2026 16:14

Rockettstg · 23/08/2026 16:13

What was your parents relationship like? What was you father like?

At 18… because i had had a wonderful father… my benchmark was very high then. And now

My mum was a “housewife” so I had no experience of the 2 parent working dynamic.

ThatLilacTiger · 23/08/2026 16:15

Because if I didn't, my children would starve, sicken or suffer.

Rockettstg · 23/08/2026 16:16

Backedoffhackedoff · 23/08/2026 16:14

My mum was a “housewife” so I had no experience of the 2 parent working dynamic.

as was mine.

what was the relationship like? Your father?

Zimunya · 23/08/2026 16:18

Screamingabdabz · 23/08/2026 14:14

I wonder this too op. I’m late 50s and have a pretty equal marriage. My kids grew up watching both mummy and daddy doing their bit domestically and now as adults themselves they have full partnerships, not something out of a 1950s Women’s Own magazine.

In fact most of the men in my family (including my late father in his 90s) pulled their weight, could iron a shirt, entertain a child and make a meal. If gives me the ick when I see relationships where women ‘mummy’ their male partners. I have no clue why modern young women settle for that shit.

I totally agree. BUT, and this is going to be controversial, I know several couples where the man has more or less given up because he wasn't allowed to parent. One couple in particular - every time a child is hurt or crying, even if it runs to dad in the first instance, mum swoops in and lifts the child into her arms. In fairness, this mum doesn't work outside the home, so maybe she sees all parenting as her "job"? And you see it on MN all the time - "my husband can't do nights because the baby won't settle". Actually, the baby will settle, once it learns that mum is not on call 24/7. I appreciate it's tough to get there, but it's better than a lifetime of doing it all.

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