Jason Arday dead

[ThisWiseRobin]

Just putting this out there, but just heared.A sad end to a whole sorry mess.

You misunderstand.

IQ is supposed to be a test of natural intelligence, as was the grammar school test.

Despite being written specifically to test natural intelligence and to not discriminate against the disadvantaged and ethnic minorities, it still did this, when tested against actual academic achievement.

So we have one test of natural intelligence deliberately designed not to discriminate against ethnic minorities which gave pupils from ethnic minorities lower scores than other pupils with the same academic achievement.

Then you have IQ tests, which similarly contain non-verbal reasoning and I suspect informed this grammar school test. It also gives people from ethnic minorities lower scores.

Why should the conclusion be that the grammar school test is flawed and discriminatory, but the IQ test is a good measure of intelligence whose results can be trusted and that actually those ethnic minorities just are less intelligent?

I saw a comment elsewhere today saying that the UK seems to do racial pile-ons with a particular venom, and it got me wondering how accurate that is.

Do you think there is something specifically British about the way these stories turn into sustained attacks on individuals or is it really more about certain sections of the media and the wider culture-war environment rather than the UK generally?

Since most posters live in the UK, how on earth would they know how these things compare, to the world’s press? Even posters living abroad couldn’t answer this question.

Depends on what you mean by racial pile ons. If you mean is the UK more racist than anywhere else, the answer is a resounding no. This has been revisited many times.

I see the twisted world and life of JA, the misguided DEI from organisations that enabled him, the most elite academic university of all, fawning all over him to the extent it was cringeworthy

“The board of electors on your interview day were absolutely unanimous. We are so lucky to have you. You are the best in the world in terms of the research that you do”,

has been forgotten. And now all everyone is talking about is the media. It's all very convenient isn't it.

When does an individual take ownership? We have taught our DC from day one - you broke it, you fix it, you own it.

Let’s be clear - yes, Cambridge has a lot of questions to answer, but JA brought this upon himself. If the allegations are correct, he did not need to plagiarise others, or embellish the truth. He could have put his hand up at any stage - he didn’t.

The original victims were all those who have suffered as a result of his deceit.

Anyone who does not understand that the UK is one of the least racist, most culturally diverse and accepting places in the world, has never travelled (nor even read about other places, which is free to all if one can't travel). If they have travelled and they still 'believe' that, I'm embarrassed for them.

I don’t see any particularly racial element, but the UK has always been anti-tall poppy, and many do not like hypocrisy, understandably.

So, get promoted above your ability, and then seek to deflect and evade when you are found out - you become a natural target. As in JA’s case, I would argue.

Edit: Oh, and playing the R card? Yawn….it has been done to death and many of us no longer give a shit if we are - wrongly - called racists.

The premise of your question is false. It isn’t a racial pile on. It is perfectly legitimate for the media to report on and the public to discuss someone who has been promoted to a senior public academic post based on plagiarism and untruths. And legitimate to discuss someone set up as an expert on racial matters who lied about racial harassment and threats, accused people who questioned his credentials of being racist, reported a journalist doing his job to the police for harassment, accused students of racism as a means of avoiding accountability etc etc.

It is indeed. This is part of the reason we will still see race relations in the same state for years to come. It is partly due to a combination of race baiters and deniers. it is always easier to blame the media and the right than look inwards. In order for DEI to be of practical significance, errors need to be addressed rather than to placate the egos and sanctimony that drive them. The media can only be as powerful as we allow it. I hope this us the massive wake up call that institutions need.

The students have gone to the bottom of the pile in all of this. It really pisses me off but I've seen it too many times. Those who enter the profession have a rude awakening when they see education and academia isn't about putting the students first. That's a big pile of wank that gets touted on the prospectus.

'a big pile of wank' 😂😆 I've not heard that particular phrase for a long time

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yep agree!

Absolutely nauseating. And that fool of a woman clutching his hands and almost weeping as she said it.

Why are you assuming this is fired by racism? Why are you assuming that everyone who has a problem with the fantasist that was the ‘professor’ is white?

Yes what’s with this.

Excellent response from KJK to Zack Polanski’s tweet about the rally

Quite, KJK. Pretty much what @DestituteDesperate has said

Can you link what she said, I must have missed it.

There is definitely racism involved in this story. Nathan Cofnas who was the first to publicly accuse Arday of plagiarism is a racist, and it is extremely likely that he targeted Arday as part of a racist campaign to back up his racist assertions about black professors.

For some, that's where the story ends. Everything else is just people either continuing the racist campaign (and there is undoubtedly some of that too) or falling for the racist campaign like useful idiots.

Except most people came to the story at 'ran multiple marathons on a broken leg' which they thought was funny and the personal incredulity that Cambridge University fell for it, no racism involved.

So now you have two groups of people shouting at each other, one calling the other group racist, and the other calling the first group gullible idiots.

Cloverandgrass 10:19 above, she's added a photo with what KJK said

Wow totally missed it but thanks for making it clear for me lol

completely agree, this entire fiasco is an insult to black people whilst people are deflecting to say it’s racism, it isn’t, we must be held to the same standards as everyone else.

Actually, I think this thread has been mostly (with a few exceptions) intelligent, interesting and reasonable discussion, as is much of the commentary I’ve read on X from the criticising JA and CU side (less so the other side in all honesty). So I don’t know why you are characterising the situation as two sides shouting at each other.

There’s definitely racism involved…

Promoting someone based on their race over another because they’re black, is racist.

As for C intention, no one will know what his intention was, unless he explicitly says ‘I targeted JA because he was black’.

However, people can deduce from his previous comments where he generally stands.

As I’ve mentioned before, if someone is racist and witnesses a black man killing someone, reports it to the police, do we ignore the murder because of the motivation of witness?

What can be verified is claims of plagiarism, stealing quotes from Nadal, being featured on 7up, marathon runs etc.

This entire debacle highlights that certain institutions will elevate minorities under qualified for a job, to appear to be inclusive etc

Identity politics is destroying the UK.