Jason Arday dead

[ThisWiseRobin]

Just putting this out there, but just heared.A sad end to a whole sorry mess.

TY’s work on education ( in schools).

Ask any teacher working back then exactly what they thought of Toby Fucking Young and his work in schools.

I’m sorry, I can’t follow what you’re saying but if you can rephrase I’ll respond.

Btw we know about his father getting him in because he told everyone himself in his memoir https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toby_Young, where he also boasted of getting sacked from the Times for various bad behaviour including hacking the IT system, impersonating the editor and circulating personal data about salaries.

It is always good to see measured responses!

Agreed.

The threads pertaining to JA all seem to go one way and the tactic of honing in on something or just diverting the topic away from the issue at hand, continue.

He does share certain characteristics with Boris - they’ve both behaved at various points like clowns and yet expect to be taken seriously. You can’t really have it both ways.

To be fair, the current discussion about Toby Young is a bit of a derailment 🫣

100%

Anything rather than address Arday’s, ahem, shortcomings.

Well, now that you have mentioned it! LOL

There will always be a bit of derailment and off topic chatter but I see this tactic so often now it makes me suspicious.

They know what they’re doing.

Conflate issues with vague talk, pounce on anything rather flippantly whilst dodging the actual issues.

Then they’ll randomly be tag teaming and appearing on threads almost in tandem that you have to triple check the title of the thread to ensure you’re on the correct thread.

Personally, I think JA’s alleged ‘shortcomings” have pretty much been done to death on this thread and others. Unless anyone’s got evidence of anything else to complain about - maybe he had a couple of unpaid parking tickets? It has sort of got to that level. It seems much more important at this stage (in my view) to explore the wider involvement of CU, the Media, etc. That is where lessons need to be learnt because, for obvious reasons, the specific case of JA is now closed.

I’ve always continually stated from the jump, I hold Cambridge ultimately responsible and stated my reasons for it.

We also need a free press, there’s enough corruption in Government, academia, police and legislatively bodies. Are the press without fault? No, but what is the alternative?

Why was it Cambridge were allowed to elevate an unqualified candidate to a position of prestige?

Why were the police allowed to harass an investigative journalist for four months when they offered JA a right to reply?

Of all the players in this sorry tale, the journalist seems to be the one that’s only sin was putting forward evidence and asking JA for a right to reply.

I've been thinking about this, and what lessons need to be learned? That you can't publish articles about people in case they commit suicide?

I mean, do we really want to be in a situation where Nigel Farage can say 'don't publish any articles about me and my £5 million bribe because it's badly affecting my mental health'? It would definitely be used for censorship.

I'd like to know why & what evidence Cofnas has for saying that on average black people are mostly not intelligent enough for anything except sport and entertainment. It sounds pretty questionable to me, and yes, I think he is racist. But as a pp said, I think the best way to respond is reasoned argument not dismissal.

I wonder. If Kathleen Stock had topped herself when all around her were losing their penis shaped rags with her (for stating biological sex is real - Yes! She highlighted the truth/ facts), would she be a heroine now? A crowd funder from politicians and celebs for her family? Somehow..

I agree on the free press, but there are journalists and journalists. At the end of the day, the press exists to make money and not all journalists are guided by the spirit of public interest. So, yes, free press, but that doesn’t mean a free pass.

It's more about the universities policies, rogue DEI gushing, and academic rigour. Rather than the media. The media is a red herring here. Convenient for some.

"Under a colorblind system that judged applicants only by academic qualifications, blacks would make up 0.7% of Harvard students. (Even that might be an overestimate, since high-school credentials are sometimes given a boost by affirmative action.) In a meritocracy, Harvard faculty would be recruited from the best of the best students, which means the number of black professors would approach 0%. Blacks would disappear from almost all high-profile positions outside of sports and entertainment. "

That's it. His incredibly crappy argument. I can explain why it's crappy if you like.

It wouldn’t have garnered anything like the same press attention. I think we can each form our own views on why that is. As an aside, she has had a lot to say about JA.

Agreed it doesn’t mean they should have a free pass but we live in a society where everything is offensive and expressing men in dresses are men, have the old bill knocking on your door, having a free pass is important.

It's complex though. SE Asian and Ashkhenazi Jewish culture historically valued learning, mainly for boys though with some spillover onto girls also, especially in recent decades. Rigorous Talmud study is arguably an environmental factor as much as a genetic one. Notably other groups of Jews (Bene Israel Indian Jews, Chinese Kaifeng Jews, Beta Israel Ethiopian Jews, Mizrahi Jews from the Middle East did not have this disproportionate success, or not to the same extent, and they did not have the Talmid study tradition as rigorously generally)

Thanks. I knew that was his argument., just wondered about what evidence he tried to use

It should be noted Cofnas has no scientific training. He is a philosopher, including of science, but he is not a scientist.

Also, why would anyone in the press not have a field day when presented with such outlandish and inaccurate statements by JA.

The 7up, marathons, being mute - even old classmates and Sunday school students were clowning JA from the same racial and socio-economic background. They spoke up because it was calling ‘cap’. He was a ‘chatty patty’ in fact, the shade borough were mocking him on every post and they are Black owned.

The only people that are getting flak for exposing JA are people that some believe are racist.

Well quite. And yes she has, I can see why.

No, instead we can have the press not report on certain crimes for the sake of multiculturalism…

Sure, but I have no truck with people who claim that the press are completely blameless. The whole “JA chose to commit suicide and it was nothing to do with the press” brigade.