Jason Arday dead

[ThisWiseRobin]

Just putting this out there, but just heared.A sad end to a whole sorry mess.

Ann Widdecombe’s death is now a murder investigation, so coverage will go quiet. There were masses of tributes to her in the immediate days following her death, from across the political spectrum.

Not at all. Glad to hear it 👍

Bloody hell - you just can't answer it. Extraordinary. Btw the JA situation to which I am referring isn't his decision to end his life. But you know that. Anyway, agreed no need to discuss further.

I posted specifically about the role of the press in JA’s decision to end his life. Don’t be disingenuous.

Thinking about Jason's family- how do you get through your loved one ending their own life? I've know two people who suffered this trauma. One was an academic friend, whose son ended things. I won't say the method but I just can't comprehend.

True. Probably not the best example I could have given but what would likely happen in the scenario given I stick by.

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Just saw on FB there is s ‘vigil’ for JA.
Whaaaaaaat??

Who's holding it - white saviours?

Probably.
This is leafy West London.
Home of luxury beliefs.

I don’t know, but I hope Jason’s family aren’t reading this thread.

Ok I’ll rephrase that. @KittyCorncrake are you ok?

Or possibly his family.

I don't think they will have the energy or maybe it will give them inner strength.

Interesting though - @KittyCorncrake seems to imply it’s unreasonable for people to hold a vigil for someone who has died and you leap straight to “white saviours”. You just can’t help yourselves.

I'm not going to walk on egg shells with everything I say the same way as Kitty doesn't need to. You're policing the thread - again.

Seriously, give your head a wobble. You’re mocking people holding a vigil for someone who has died. It’s pretty low.

No, I'm questioning whether it was sanctimonious, condescending people making themselves feel morally superior. I might have empathy for what's happened but I haven't changed my position on what went on before. That is my opinion. It's not going to change because it doesn't suit you.

Whatever you need to tell yourself. As with Kitty, I genuinely hope everything is ok with you. Enjoy your evening.

I'm sure me and Kitty are fine. Our own minds seem to be in good working order.

Could you share your data?

In the general case “it’s mainly parental wealth” is something that feels like it should be true but just isn’t when studied.

Maybe grammar school entry is an exception though (eg because of housing effects or the short-run tutoring window).

Here you go, there was an attempt to create a tutor-proof test of 'natural ability' that would end discrimination against disadvantaged pupils trying to get into grammar schools,

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2016/sep/12/tutor-11plus-test-grammar-schools-disadvantaged-pupils

They had to admit failure, the 'tutor proof test' of literacy, numeracy and non-verbal reasoning discriminated against kids from disadvantaged backgrounds and (pertinently here) against kids from certain ethnic minority backgrounds.

The argument 'perhaps they aren't as naturally clever as the white, non-disadvantaged kids' is then shown not to be true when they sit their SATs. Kids who get the same SATs scores are less likely to pass the grammar school test of intelligence if they are from ethnic minorities or disadvantaged backgrounds.

"Even with identical test results at the end of primary school, higher-attaining children from the poorer postcodes scored, on average, 20 marks less in the new Bucks test (the pass mark is 121 marks) than their better-off peers. The data suggests a similar bias against children from some BME groups, including Pakistani."

And remember this was a test specifically designed not to do that.

Are TV adverts here 50% black people? I tend to skip watching adverts when I do.

Thanks. I couldn’t get through to the underlying study. But from the write-up it doesn’t seem to look at tested IQ at all, so I don’t think it helps us answer that question much.

We could assume that SATs are a proxy but then we are assuming the thing you contest (ie that school achievement captures tested IQ more than other factors).