Questions about the recent arrivals in Spain and what happens next

[Lankylegs3]

I have some questions..
And I wondered if people knew any answers
Where have all the sudden visitors to Spain come from..
They must of been gathering somewhere,
did no one spot them gathering .
They seem to be all men ,
why Spain ,
Are they Hoping to live there
So this must of been a coordinated effort,
who planned it ..
Will Spain keep them and house them ?
Will they bring their families over
Is it a wind up ..are they all heading home eventually
It's very odd
What is Spain going to do ..will they let them stay like the others .
Spain has a left government?? So they don't mind ?

Then what I have read it keeps mentioning TikTok. It's not like a fun. I know young people do stupid things because TikTok organises the stuff but not something like this

That was some organising wasn't it.

We all know how difficult it can be to arrange a wedding and get 150 guests in the same place at the same time.

I suppose brides should just put out a call on social media a few days before the wedding.

It was clearly planned-an army of young men invading Spanish territory and yes, if they invaded Gibraltar or the Isle of Man, I think most of us would be foutraged and the PM might actually say something-probably a call to us to be kind and welcome them.

Of course, the Spanish leader brought this all down on his own head.

I don’t think Europe were ever in any danger of being invaded by them. It was a bit of a none story. Just happy that they’re not going to successfully enter mainland Spain, when possibly there would have been problems.

Do do realise that boats are a thing.

One day, you will have to wake up and smell the coffee but until then, keep your head in the sand.

The shops were all closed and there was nowhere to stay. Many seemed to come on a whim because they thought that Spain had opened the border. They realised they had been had basically, merely pawns in a wider game.

And 60,000 people fell for that story or that rumor whatever it was

There must be something we're not being told I'm not convinced by any of it

even if thought Spain had opened the border, surely the first thought would be where are you going to stay? How will you live? How are you going to Get food?

We don’t ‘need’ immigration. You do understand the huge impact AI is going to have on employment? Young people are already struggling to get jobs, a result of raising the NMW, but also a result of AI where white collar workers especially are going to be pretty much on the scrap heap within the next decade. We need to be taking account of this now, and stop this myth continuously being spread that we are going to need more workers. Also a review of benefits and the Welfare system in general is long overdue. Get people back to work which will then fill the gap in care services. The government need's to introduce high level training with educated people filling these roles in the NHS. Not hand the roles to unskilled uneducated people coming here on boats.

It wasn’t a rumour. It seems like it was a social media campaign. Some of them said that Moroccan authorities encouraged them. That was quoted in the New York Times. So yes I would imagine someone is pulling strings in the background there, to put pressure on Spain I imagine.

I read most of them were under 20 years old. Can’t remember where I read that now but yes I do think teenage boys would not think ahead too much.

I saw one being interviewed saying he did it for the fun of it.

Historically, after the Roman Empire and the Islamic conquests, Spain fought various wars in North Africa (supported by a number of other European countries) as the Barbary pirates operated out of North Africa in the Middle Ages and early modern period and holding some cities and harbours meant they didn’t lose all their shipping to pirates.

the port cities of North Africa have been fought over for a long time.

Ceuta seems to have been originally settled as a colony city state from Carthage (which was itself a Phoenician colony).

either way, it’s not on mainland Spain.

“Should have” “would have” not “of”. Also, maybe look stuff up before posting nonsense.

Why are you having a go at her? She's asking questions not posting nonsense.

@Gealach I believe that some kids did it for the fun of it yeah but I don't believe that you can get 60,000 to do it

Oh, I think we all know boats are a thing.

The Spanish do object to them in Ceuta

they have cut off the airport and stopped the ferries so that the Moroccans realise they have no food and no drink and no shelter and no way of getting to mainland Spain and go home.

this seems to be working.

Ceuta has been part of many nations in its history. It was founded by Carthage as a Carthaginian colony.
when Carthage fell it became Roman. When Roman Hispania was invaded by the goths it became goth.

the Islamic conquests meant that it became Islamic as did most of Spain which was then known as al-Andalus.

the mainland of Spain was re conquered “la reconquista” by “los Reyes catolicos” Queen Isabella of Castile and King Ferdinand of Aragon.

shortly after it became Portuguese and then was given to Spain as part of a land swop.

what it has never been is Moroccan.

Really? You wouldn’t be concerned after someone traveled though 4 countries and ended up living in your street and murders someone, who it later turned out had a history or murders in their home country ? Then when 60000 people cross the same border later in one day, it wouldn’t trouble you? You wouldn’t be concerned that one of these people could also be a murderer, hadn’t had their basic bacground checked and someone else could be murdered?

No it hasn’t happened to me, I’m still alive and Cuetans would be fully documented as they are Spanish and part of the EU so I think you’ve misunderstood a little bit. I was using your example, but adding a background to the murderer crossing the border at Cueta to illustrate to you why events 1500 miles away can affect you, why people are concerned and maybe help you try and empathise or understand a bit. I think I’ve failed haven’t I though!

I do think there was a lot of bandwagon jumping and silly teenagers doing what silly teenagers do best. I imagine a lot of Moroccan teenagers had some explaining to do after mum and dad turned on the 9 o'clock news.

Point taken, I meant Moroccans not Ceutans.

Are you asking me though, if a Moroccan man had murdered someone on my street, would I be worried about other Moroccans crossing a border 1500 miles away?

No, the answer is no.

In much the same way I don’t believe all of the people who arrive on boats are planning to attack me. Or that I should be concerned that I haven’t conducted a background check on the people I live next door to now.

I did say I didn’t share those concerns, so that probably doesn’t come as a surprise.

It’s not likely that a North African migrant from this event will murder you. Most of them have returned. They cannot move onwards from Ceuta. They don’t have permission to travel onwards.

Events thousands of miles away can affect us but this one doesn’t impact us directly.

Even if that was true, a group of 60000 teenagers shouldn’t be able to breach an external EU border, it’s utterly pathetic.

I understand that, the PP didn’t understand why people were concerned about events 1500 miles away. It was an example.

Have you read the articles posted?

No one made it to mainland Spain; no one was ever going to make it to mainland Spain. A sizable chunk of them probably didn't even want to go to mainland Spain.

The Moroccans are suspected to have loosened border controls in protest after the Spanish Prime Minister visited Algeria. Morocco has a longstanding feud with Algeria.

Spain did exactly what it was supposed to do and quickly brought in forces from the mainland to bring things back under control.

I'm not entirely sure what it is you wanted the people of Ceuta to do to stop them?

Just a quick PSA for the concerned.

We had 832 Moroccan asylum claims 2021 - 2024, 176 of which were granted.

I think we’ll be okay. They’re likely not coming.

It’s not an EU border.

Ceuta is not part of the Schengen travel area. You need documents to travel from it to mainland Spain.

(see also - where does France border the Netherlands? In the middle of the carribean)

(sint Maarten/St Martin)

No, it was more the example of how mass undocumented immigration could affect people and why they’re concerned. It’s one of the basic functions of a border to stop people who pose a threat, you can’t do that if you don’t know who has entered. I get the impression you do understand as it was quite a clear example, but are a little bit worried you’d be considered racist for admitting to understanding people’s concerns, Would I be close there or completely way off mark ?

You said you get why people ‘say’ they have these concerns, I was simply explaining why they do have these concerns and they are valid.

Can I just ask for a little theory I have, you don’t currently have children? And employed in public sector?

Of course it’s an EU border, its border with an EU country. What else is it? The other things you say are correct but none of them change the fact it’s an EU border.

No actually - it isn't if you're gay and women are still oppressed.

I've been to Ceuta quite a few times and it is Spanish. Moroccans are able to cross the border into Ceuta to work and they are also allowed to enter on a day trip basis.

There are small boats from Morocco to mainland Spain frequently, and it's not unusual for yachties sailing in and around the Strait to pick up Moroccans who are trying to make the crossing - one of them was on a paddle board. It's only 11 miles.

It's also a known drug smuggling route along that coast, we were always being checked out by the police boats.