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Thread 2 Burnham : Coragem e Esperança.

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DuncinToffee · 23/07/2026 09:14

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itsgettingweird · 29/07/2026 15:52

5128gap · 29/07/2026 13:21

Agree. I think that was his best speech so far. No hesitancy and came across as sincerely committed. I admire the way he manages to make a speech about something so troubling sound positive.

Agree. It’s one of areas where he gets it right and Starmer struggled.

He doesn’t go in with the “we’re all dooooommmeeedddd” bit as a starter.

Hes not shying away from the problems but is focussing on the solutions rather than the problems.

I had a boss like that. I mean - I didn’t like her - but I respected her for that attitude 🤣

placemats · 29/07/2026 15:56

Llttledrummergirl · 29/07/2026 14:28

Something that amazes me about hospitals, aside from what I have observed in our local hospital, a relative who is an extremely experienced nurse(approaching retirement) spends half her time cleaning, because cleaners aren't allowed to actully clean in clin8cal areas. This seems like insanity. Pay your hospital cleaners an extra 50p an hour, get them to clean in the same way the nurses do and free up your much more expensive nurse to you know nurse the ill.

The nurses are also moving people on trolleys, which I'm pretty sure used to be a porters job.

I really hope Burnhams cross party talks on social provide a good way forward. This will make such a difference everywhere.

I'm wondering what you can buy for 50p now.

Zonder · 29/07/2026 16:00

placemats · 29/07/2026 15:52

He's not an MP.

Interestingly I just asked AI who the 8 reform MPs are. It gave me a list starting with NF. I replied saying you're wrong, and it agreed and updated the list.
Just goes to show you can't trust AI!

5128gap · 29/07/2026 16:06

itsgettingweird · 29/07/2026 15:52

Agree. It’s one of areas where he gets it right and Starmer struggled.

He doesn’t go in with the “we’re all dooooommmeeedddd” bit as a starter.

Hes not shying away from the problems but is focussing on the solutions rather than the problems.

I had a boss like that. I mean - I didn’t like her - but I respected her for that attitude 🤣

Funny you should say that, as I was listening to him I thought what a great boss he'd be. Praise what he could, used 'we' language to accept responsibility for the failures, a focus on where we want to be, with a role for everyone in that.
As a manager of a team that does work that at time feels like bailing out the Titanic with a thimble, I was taking note!

SerendipityJane · 29/07/2026 16:15

Zonder · 29/07/2026 16:00

Interestingly I just asked AI who the 8 reform MPs are. It gave me a list starting with NF. I replied saying you're wrong, and it agreed and updated the list.
Just goes to show you can't trust AI!

In directing Gemini and ChatGPT to look for Farages 2024 election campaign leaflet (if anyone else can find it, I couldn't) ., I was told that there is no by election in Clacton.

BestIsWest · 29/07/2026 16:32

I’ve only watched the first part of the speech so far but he had me in tears. We have carers for my DM who has Alzheimer’s so it chimed with me. I’ve long maintained that carers should be better paid and it’s scandalous that some aren’t paid for travel time between calls. It’s a real problem locally as getting carers to work in the more rural locations of our county. It will be interesting to watch what happens and hopefully a decent solution that will be adopted in Wales too.

Saucery · 29/07/2026 16:59

That was a damn good speech. Of course, the BBC are leading with ‘Burnham not ruling out tax rises to fund social care’ 🙄

BIossomtoes · 29/07/2026 17:05

It was the first time I’ve seen Louise Casey properly. What an amazing woman. No wonder she’s the go to for governments on both sides.

SerendipityJane · 29/07/2026 17:13

Telegraph panicking sainted Kemi will destroy the Tories over net zero. (soz no archive)

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2026/07/28/pull-brink-kemi-badenoch-before-you-destroy-conservatives/

Thread 2 Burnham : Coragem e Esperança.
TemperanceWest · 29/07/2026 17:14

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pointythings · 29/07/2026 17:25

Other than the dogged conviction that Conservatism is always best, there's a lot of sense in that article.

But the author doesn't understand that the Tory party is no longer abroad church; it's a narrow little plank trying to out-Reform Reform.

itsgettingweird · 29/07/2026 17:49

Bailing out the titanic with a thimble 🤣🤣

I’m keeping that one in my back pocket for when I need it. I do indeed feel like that sometimes in my job too.

SerendipityJane · 29/07/2026 17:49

pointythings · 29/07/2026 17:25

Other than the dogged conviction that Conservatism is always best, there's a lot of sense in that article.

But the author doesn't understand that the Tory party is no longer abroad church; it's a narrow little plank trying to out-Reform Reform.

It is unclear quite who the article is aimed at. Tory party members ? Potential voters ? Or Labour part HQ as something to fold into their strategy for 2029 ?

SerendipityJane · 29/07/2026 18:00

itsgettingweird · 29/07/2026 17:49

Bailing out the titanic with a thimble 🤣🤣

I’m keeping that one in my back pocket for when I need it. I do indeed feel like that sometimes in my job too.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckg35n7yny3o#comments

A cursory read of these suggests that the public is so far ahead of the Kemi stance they are in danger of lapping her. Maybe that's why she thinks there are people behind her ?

Either way, it's heartening to see so many people focusing on the lack of infrastructure versus obscene bonuses. I don't know about "Nigel" but it looks like had a certain T-Shirt mentioned water bosses, the "outrage" could have taken a very different turn

: In this aerial view, dried grass is seen on Peckham Common on July 23, 2026 in London, United Kingdom.

More than half of England in drought, Environment Agency declares

The drought declarations follow an exceptionally hot and dry period, which has hit rivers, crops and nature.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckg35n7yny3o#comments

placemats · 29/07/2026 18:02

SerendipityJane · 29/07/2026 17:13

Telegraph panicking sainted Kemi will destroy the Tories over net zero. (soz no archive)

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2026/07/28/pull-brink-kemi-badenoch-before-you-destroy-conservatives/

Fish

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Zonder · 29/07/2026 18:23

SerendipityJane · 29/07/2026 16:15

In directing Gemini and ChatGPT to look for Farages 2024 election campaign leaflet (if anyone else can find it, I couldn't) ., I was told that there is no by election in Clacton.

Bizarre!

BIWI · 29/07/2026 18:29

Efacsen · 29/07/2026 18:19

Now Tice has been referred to Parliamentary Standards Comm - maybe he'll resign too and ppt a by-election in Skegness?

Lib Dem MP calls for investigation into Reform deputy leader’s £80,000 loan

Lib Dem MP calls for investigation into Reform deputy leader’s £80,000 loan | Party funding | The Guardian

That's going to make things tricky for Count Binface!

Efacsen · 29/07/2026 18:32

BIWI · 29/07/2026 18:29

That's going to make things tricky for Count Binface!

Grin
SerendipityJane · 29/07/2026 18:33

BIossomtoes · 29/07/2026 18:29

That was where Gemini directed me. - here in fact

https://electionleaflets.org/leaflets/24270/

As you can see it's wrong (not that I am surprised) and there is no copy of the Reform 2024 leaflet for Clacton specifically.

Happy to be proved wrong as ever.

Reform UK leaflet

Leaflet uploaded 18 Jul 2026

https://electionleaflets.org/leaflets/24270/

SerendipityJane · 29/07/2026 18:35

BIWI · 29/07/2026 18:29

That's going to make things tricky for Count Binface!

We can all imagine a future with two Binface MPs.

Notonthestairs · 29/07/2026 19:26

SerendipityJane · 29/07/2026 17:13

Telegraph panicking sainted Kemi will destroy the Tories over net zero. (soz no archive)

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2026/07/28/pull-brink-kemi-badenoch-before-you-destroy-conservatives/

Think he’s missing the point here - their intended audience is Trumpian (US and what little support he has in the UK

“But that is not her message. Her outrage is directed at wind, solar, batteries and electric vehicles. There comes a point when you have to conclude that the Tories have gone Trumpian on the existential issue of our time, competing with Nigel Farage’s crypto party for fossil funding and the backlash vote.
Badenoch’s purge of Tory candidates who dissent – either because they think it unconscionable, or because they think it is economically harmful, or both (my view) – is a fateful step for the leader of a political party that endured longer than any other on earth precisely because it is not narrow and factional.”

Even Conservative home says -

“But more specifically and fundamentally, both Net Zero and the ECHR divide the Conservatives’ own voter coalition. According to that same YouGov polling, almost half (48 per cent) for 2024 Conservatives want to the UK to meet its Net Zero commitments. Meanwhile, over a quarter (27 per cent) of 2024 Tory voters support the UK remaining in the ECHR. These voters are not likely to feel well represented by Badenoch’s latest moves.
Driving wedges through a party’s base is usually a tactic deployed by its opponents, rather than its own leadership.”

The FT has similar.
I mean, I don’t particularly care if Badenoch wants to limit their voter base but it’s odd.

Notonthestairs · 29/07/2026 19:27

Post mentions crapto but I assume MN will clear it at some point

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