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Thread 1 Burnham: Esperanza en cada Corazón

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DuncinToffee · 20/07/2026 12:45

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5128gap · 21/07/2026 13:02

PickAChew · 21/07/2026 12:53

Definitely the man for the job, then.

Absolutely. Couldn't wish for a better reference.

BIossomtoes · 21/07/2026 13:05

SummerPeonies2026 · 21/07/2026 13:00

Small minds, no aspiration and no work ethic - that is why the UK is stagnating and the US is ripping ahead. This thread is the very epitome of everything that is wrong with this country tbh.

Reading and posting on it isn’t obligatory.

Notonthestairs · 21/07/2026 13:05

Starting to wonder whether Miliband leaked that comment.

“How popular is Donald Trump in the United Kingdom?

June’s tracker poll found that 13% of Britons had a favourable opinion of Donald Trump and 83% had an unfavourable opinion.
These scores are within the margin of error of those for May’s survey, and therefore represent little change.”

YouGuv 29 June 2026

LizzieW1969 · 21/07/2026 13:06

DuncinToffee · 21/07/2026 12:17

For the first time in a UK cabinet, women outnumber men.

Good!

That’s really positive.

And I also agree with you about Trump’s reaction to Miliband as FS.

SummerPeonies2026 · 21/07/2026 13:06

Notonthestairs · 21/07/2026 13:05

Starting to wonder whether Miliband leaked that comment.

“How popular is Donald Trump in the United Kingdom?

June’s tracker poll found that 13% of Britons had a favourable opinion of Donald Trump and 83% had an unfavourable opinion.
These scores are within the margin of error of those for May’s survey, and therefore represent little change.”

YouGuv 29 June 2026

In lieu of his own dire popularity ratings

Nom Nom Eating GIF by Cappys
DuncinToffee · 21/07/2026 13:09

Notonthestairs · 21/07/2026 13:05

Starting to wonder whether Miliband leaked that comment.

“How popular is Donald Trump in the United Kingdom?

June’s tracker poll found that 13% of Britons had a favourable opinion of Donald Trump and 83% had an unfavourable opinion.
These scores are within the margin of error of those for May’s survey, and therefore represent little change.”

YouGuv 29 June 2026

We managed to attract one of that 13%, not a small feat

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Notonthestairs · 21/07/2026 13:10

Indeed, 68% of Britons now believe the US has had a mostly or entirely negative impact on the rest of the world in recent years, up a full 11 points since January. The increase is concentrated among those believing the country’s impact has been entirely negative, a view now held by 33% of the public, up from 23%.

Thread 1 Burnham: Esperanza en cada Corazón
pointythings · 21/07/2026 13:30

I mean, anyone who thinks the US under the warmongering sexual predator and dementia patient is any kind of ally may safely be ignored.

Any chance of that evidence I asked for, Peonies?

C8H10N4O2 · 21/07/2026 13:32

illbeyourperfectmrs · 21/07/2026 07:28

I do despair to have to agree with you on something but this is it, isn’t it? Why should the working population of this country work themselves to the bone (and not get their own state pension because it won’t exist then!), to sustain a class of millionaires?

My parents own five rental properties, a commercial property, and have a huge amount of investments. I think it’s criminal that they’re able to claim the state pension, which is by their own admission “their fun money” and is paid into a separate account that they use purely for holidays and other such spending. All the while they complain that “their taxes” pay my wage as a public sector worker, and that they’re “subsidising my holidays”. Make that make sense!

Oh do they also go on five cruises a year and refuse any help with childcare?

LizzieW1969 · 21/07/2026 13:34

pointythings · 21/07/2026 13:30

I mean, anyone who thinks the US under the warmongering sexual predator and dementia patient is any kind of ally may safely be ignored.

Any chance of that evidence I asked for, Peonies?

She won’t, obviously, as the evidence doesn’t exist. She just doesn’t want to accept anything that challenges the myth of ‘uncontrolled immigration’.

TheOnlyMrsW · 21/07/2026 13:40

DuncinToffee · 21/07/2026 12:17

For the first time in a UK cabinet, women outnumber men.

Good!

Fantastic! Along with the news about the White House not liking EM (along with my dad's dislike - why oh why did I even go round today! - I can't think of a better endorsement 😂)

C8H10N4O2 · 21/07/2026 13:43

TemperanceWest · 21/07/2026 08:37

Nothing wrong with discussions around the triple lock etc., but suggesting asset rich cash poor pensioners should have to sell their homes to support themselves is an odd stance for a left-winger IMHO. Especially as no other state benefit requires people to do that.

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The 22% are millionaires argument is a misreading or misrepresentation of data which was itself gathered using a methodology subsequently recognised as faulty.

Its also not 22% pensioners, even with that data gathering. Its 22% of pensioners living in households with total assets (including estimated pension pots) of £1m. Most pensioners are not in single person households. Something like 7-8% of pensioners have income that attracts the 40% rate, something like a third are in the fuel poverty bracket. Pensions and disability allowances were not means tested for the perfectly good reasons - pensions because they were not a benefit but a pension (until Osborne started dicking around with the numbers) and DLA/PIP because those in receipt of the higher level have considerable additional costs.

Policy should be based on economic groups/needs and opportunities, not lazy identity groups based mostly on “I hate my parents”.

SerendipityJane · 21/07/2026 13:44

Notonthestairs · 21/07/2026 13:05

Starting to wonder whether Miliband leaked that comment.

“How popular is Donald Trump in the United Kingdom?

June’s tracker poll found that 13% of Britons had a favourable opinion of Donald Trump and 83% had an unfavourable opinion.
These scores are within the margin of error of those for May’s survey, and therefore represent little change.”

YouGuv 29 June 2026

Remember that 5% of any poll is bullshit.

So that figure could be as low as 8%. I struggle to believe it's close to 18%.

5% is a remarkably interesting constant in human affairs. Crops up everywhere. Would anyone be curious as to how 5% of this thread breaks out 🤔

TemperanceWest · 21/07/2026 14:02

Speaking of polls...

Thread 1 Burnham: Esperanza en cada Corazón
PickAChew · 21/07/2026 14:10

SerendipityJane · 21/07/2026 13:44

Remember that 5% of any poll is bullshit.

So that figure could be as low as 8%. I struggle to believe it's close to 18%.

5% is a remarkably interesting constant in human affairs. Crops up everywhere. Would anyone be curious as to how 5% of this thread breaks out 🤔

Is this where we all confess to dicking about with the random mumsnet polls that have been appearing all over the site?

SerendipityJane · 21/07/2026 14:10

TemperanceWest · 21/07/2026 14:02

Speaking of polls...

Suggests a pull towards the centre ?

DuncinToffee · 21/07/2026 15:01

No arrivals by small boats for the last 10 days now. As of yesterday, 12,469 people had arrived so far this year across the Channel, down over 11,000 (47%) on the same time last year. More than 10% down on 2023 as well, which was when crossings were, by comparison to other years, lower.

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SerendipityJane · 21/07/2026 15:10

DuncinToffee · 21/07/2026 15:01

No arrivals by small boats for the last 10 days now. As of yesterday, 12,469 people had arrived so far this year across the Channel, down over 11,000 (47%) on the same time last year. More than 10% down on 2023 as well, which was when crossings were, by comparison to other years, lower.

The only way the ReJects would believe those figures, is in order to say{

"Right, now we've stopped the boats, we can start sending people back".

I refuse to engage.

TemperanceWest · 21/07/2026 15:29

Just reading the details of Ann Widdecombe's murder. Hideous violence.

Cheguevarahamster · 21/07/2026 15:31

TemperanceWest · 21/07/2026 15:29

Just reading the details of Ann Widdecombe's murder. Hideous violence.

Its deeply disturbing. I can’t begin to imagine what she went through. My heart goes out to her and her family— that poor woman.

Saucery · 21/07/2026 15:32

TemperanceWest · 21/07/2026 15:29

Just reading the details of Ann Widdecombe's murder. Hideous violence.

It’s just horrendous, isn’t it.

Zonder · 21/07/2026 15:36

SummerPeonies2026 · 21/07/2026 13:00

Small minds, no aspiration and no work ethic - that is why the UK is stagnating and the US is ripping ahead. This thread is the very epitome of everything that is wrong with this country tbh.

Great. If this thread is the epitome of all that's wrong, I'm extra happy to be here. Did you see the lovely positive news about how well things are going in the UK posted a bit earlier?

PickAChew · 21/07/2026 15:37

TemperanceWest · 21/07/2026 15:29

Just reading the details of Ann Widdecombe's murder. Hideous violence.

It was so brutal. Her gardener must be deeply traumatised after finding her like that.

BIossomtoes · 21/07/2026 15:39

I can’t imagine how awful it was for her. Poor woman.

SerendipityJane · 21/07/2026 15:40

TemperanceWest · 21/07/2026 15:29

Just reading the details of Ann Widdecombe's murder. Hideous violence.

It's horrific.

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